Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I don't think you picked a very good example there, because right leaning Christians apparently share the same view

See. People have more in common than they think.

I don’t follow any form of the Christian religion but........

When they start hanging gays from light poles at the Vatican, then you may have some semblance of a point.

Originally posted by nenothtu

I see no real difference between a wahabbi blowing up an entire marketplace of innocent strangers and a poster trying to ruin an entire population of innocent strangers with "terrorist" bombs.

Yeah right.

I can see why the DHS thinks you are a bit of an extremist.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by CottonwoodStormy

 

I actually got them from a facebook group, person didn't post the links. Don't think I have even heard of that site before you linked it.

Sorry teach....LOL

It's all good!!!

reply to post by ollncasino


I have a Christian mate over here in the UK who was practically torn apart by members of his church for asking why people are so bothered about gay people getting married. He suffered a right talking to. And it hasn't changed his mind to not be bothered about it, backing up my prior statement of if your mind is made up you won't change your opinion. I know plenty of people who follow no religion who have a problem with gay people, I know Christians who do and don't, I know Muslims who do and don't. I know older people who don't care, I know younger people who don't care. Vice versa. You can't use opposition to homosexuality as an argument against Islam.

Intolerance is everywhere, but so is tolerance. We just have to hope that one day tolerance will overtake intolerance and people will get on. Whether humanity in general will allow this, though, is another matter.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nenothtu

Well, to be honest I've not been through this entire thread yet, so I can't say if you've presented any empirical evidence here yet.

Nothing except all of the surveys I have linked to...

The first thing that the professor pointed out to us in statistics class was that there are lies, there are DAMNED lies, and at the bottom of the heap there are statistics. Funny how they lend themselves to spin with just a bit of picking and choosing, and the design of the survey, and you sir are a master of the art of spin. I salute you!

Originally posted by nenothtu
DHS wants us to point out extremists, so I'm pointing one out.

I hope you are on piece work.

Well, yes I am! the main difference between you and I is that you are not, so I have to be more focused, where you are more of a scatter-shot, hit whatever you can kinda guy. It also means that I will have more accuracy due to that focus. It's the difference between using a garden hose and using a water cannon to water your daisies.

reply to post by neformore


And where were they when all the other murders took place in the name of Allah? Like Theo Van Gogh? The only reason why they're out in force now is so they can try to get some damage control done.

Originally posted by Ayana
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I have a Christian mate over here in the UK who was practically torn apart by members of his church for asking why people are so bothered about gay people getting married. He suffered a right talking to. And it hasn't changed his mind to not be bothered about it, backing up my prior statement of if your mind is made up you won't change your opinion. I know plenty of people who follow no religion who have a problem with gay people, I know Christians who do and don't, I know Muslims who do and don't. I know older people who don't care, I know younger people who don't care. Vice versa. You can't use opposition to homosexuality as an argument against Islam.

Intolerance is everywhere, but so is tolerance. We just have to hope that one day tolerance will overtake intolerance and people will get on. Whether humanity in general will allow this, though, is another matter.

I believe in the law of attraction which says if you will it so, it is already manifested, so every night I thank God for opening my eyes and those of others like you and pray he continues to do so!!!

Originally posted by Ayana

You can't use opposition to homosexuality as an argument against Islam.

Why not?

Muhammad made it clear that the penalty for sodomy was death.

"The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.."

Sunan Abu Dawud (Book #38, Hadith #4447)

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nenothtu

I see no real difference between a wahabbi blowing up an entire marketplace of innocent strangers and a poster trying to ruin an entire population of innocent strangers with "terrorist" bombs.

Yeah right.

I can see why the DHS thinks you are a bit of an extremist.

So you DO see a difference?

You know, the wahabbis don't think their destruction is destructive at all, either. They think they're just building a better world.

Same as you think you're doing with your spin.

To them, and to you, it matters not who gets hurt in the process, or how innocent they are.

Yet you seem to see some sort of difference.

Originally posted by nenothtu

The first thing that the professor pointed out to us in statistics class was that there are lies, there are DAMNED lies, and at the bottom of the heap there are statistics.

There is also statistical sampling.

Statistical Sampling - What Is Statistical Sampling

reply to post by Auricom


I dunno. I didn't ask them.

Although I would really love to know why 5,000 British muslims would need to comment on the murder of a dutch man in 2004?

reply to post by ollncasino


And I believe Levitcus 18 states the same. Not having an Old Testament to hand, I had to look it up on google but...

18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Source

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I only possess a New Testament.

reply to post by Ayana


So some ultra religious Christians got their panties in a bunch when your buddy talked about what is wrong being homosexual......did they actually attack him? I have gotten into the same argument with Christians about it, I wasn't afraid of being attacked over it.

I have a gay Muslim friend, I know he won't be talking about it in his community. He told me what may happen to him.

Originally posted by nenothtu
So you DO see a difference?

You know, the wahabbis don't think their destruction is destructive at all, either. They think they're just building a better world.

Three quarters of British Muslims surveyed don't see anything wrong with punishing the Danish cartoonists either.

• 78% of British Muslims pooled believe the publishers of the Danish cartoons should be punished.

CBS

That suggests there is a 78% chance that your wife agrees with them. I suppose it all depends where you are standing?

I think it's safe to say that the good that these Muslims did has now been totally shadowed by posts that are totally irrelevant to that. Well done. Can we get back to the topic? Or is that not enough hate for one day?

What? That must be a false flag demonstration! Clearly all those people are actors!
/sarcasm

Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by zilebeliveunknown

 

Why should they apologise for something they didn't do?

They should, if for no other reason then to admit that it was also their guilt for not preventing the murder of service man, and to calm the other side.

Well, I'm sure you will admit as well then that the atrocities commited by western terrorists... erh... soldiers in other countries is also your fault? You know, murdering civilians on a large scale? The stuff that is called 'collateral damage`?

reply to post by MidnightTide


No, he was not personally attacked.
Yes, there are Christians who would.
Yes, there are Muslims who would.

Equally, there are Christians and Muslims who wouldn't.
And there are atheists who would and wouldn't. I know gay people who have been attacked for it, verbally and physically, in the UK. Luckily, my best mate is a bag lad and he's not particularly bothered by verbal attacks. And he'd be able to hold his own in a fight.

My point is, you can't argue against a religion because of homosexuality because there is a lot of hate against it from everywhere. You'd have a better job using honour killings because they're more targeted towards Islam. But even then it's rare they happen, so people would shoot you down over it.

Originally posted by Ayana

And I believe Levitcus 18 states the same. Not having an Old Testament to hand, I had to look it up on google but...

18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Source

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I only possess a New Testament.

You make a fair point. Having said that, it is a long time since Christians hung anyone for being gay.

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A very nice gesture, and it certainly would help to ease global anxiety.

My concern is however that this event was from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association.

The Ahmadiyya Muslims are themselves a minority, and in Pakistan (where most of the sect reside) they are considered non-Muslim.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Ahmadiyya have also had anti-blasphemy laws used against them by other Muslims, and there are clips which show them being harassed by other Sunni Muslims while proselytizing in Europe.

I don't think the gesture really includes those of the Islamist cult, who think their black flag will rise over every country, and who cause so much harm, even in Muslim countries (where they run insurgencies with global recruits, even while accusing others of "occupation").

It's good to know there is a global Muslim peace movement like the Ahmadiyya, even if their status may be questioned by mainstream Muslims.

So maybe to some it will be like having been bitten by a bloodhound, and having the poodles apologize for all the canines while pushing their sect.

Power to the Ahmadiyya in any case for the gesture.