Is freedom of speech dead? Activists Rally to Free Adam Kokesh.

Activists Rally to Free Adam Kokesh

Adam arrested and detained in Philly. He was arrested for SPEAKING, for a being a political dissident. We must research this story and action very carefully because it could turn out to be one of the most important arrests of this decade in the terms of our Constitutional protections.

It's no secret that the federal government doesn't like Adam Kokesh, since he aired his intent to lead an armed non violent march on D.C. earlier this month he has received a lot of attention from federal and local authorities. That fact in itself is to be expected and is not unusual.

Where it starts to get muddy is that they have just violated his Constitutional right to free speech and arrested him under what APPEARS to be completely false and trumped up charges and claims. If it turns out this was done as retaliation for the intention to march, the implications for all of us could be quite grim.

You be the judge, I recuse myself because my mind is already made up about this government.

FULL STORY HERE

And still yet, we have many here that say that there is nothing wrong with the federal government at this time. Wake up people!

reply to post by Helious


He'll be out of jail soon (if he isn't out already) because, given the video, they don't have a case against him. Just a matter of paperwork, I'd guess. And then he'll show up on the talk shows and make a youtube about his time in the slammer, and his supporters will cheer. Myself, I wouldn't be walking across a bridge coming into Washington right about where the Lincoln Memorial comes in with a rifle strapped over my back. Kokesh seems determind to do it, and it should be quite a day. That's a very famous bridge (it's where they took the JFK funeral march as his body was transported over to Arlington National Cemetery). But I wouldn't attend the march, and I even heard that Alex Jones is all in a quandry if he's going to join on the march or just report on it. But this current problem, I'd be surprised if Kokesh is in jail at the end of the day, and a little surprised if he's not free right now.

EDIT: But remember when him and others were arrested for dancing at the Lincoln Memorial (or was it the Jefferson Memorial)? That's a protest I'd gladly go on. You can't dance in an open-air Washington memorial? A very odd judicall ruling, and one that should be tested often until it's taken away. I don't even know if you can dance in the very large area encompassing the King Memorial, or do the jitterbug within the Second World War Memorial.

Here is the video of his arrest. Be warned, the video quality is not great.





They arrested Adam because they knew he was a leader in the group and was talking too much. The ONLY people ever causing problems at these events are the police themselves. The police are the ones who turn protests violent and incite unrest in the crowds.

The charge was resisting arrest I believe. But, how can that be the only charge? What was he being arrested for in the first place to have to "resist" arrest? That doesn't make any sense to me and just highlights the fact that he was arrested on bogus charges. He was arrested for being a political dissident, let's call it out for what it is.

He was arrested for being a political dissident, let's call it out for what it is.

I highly doubt this administration and government has the testicular fortitude to call anything out for what it is. There seems to be a very fundamental and basic strategy that is being used across the board to avoid criminal charges for the many crimes that are being committed by the White House and DoJ and those under them.

Deny, deny, deny. I don't know, I can't remember. I wasn't in charge. I have no recollection senator. Where is Jack Ryan when you need him.

Why has no one censored this yet!?

reply to post by Divine Strake


What, you mean the horrible post above yours? Good question.

It is impossible for the government to do something that would surprise or outrage me. Their only game now is subterfuge to prevent the mostly braindead masses from pulling their heads from the trough and becoming savvy to their enslavement.

reply to post by Malynn


If what appears to have happened is proven to be what happened then we may have just witnessed the start of what could very well become a "soft revolution". I think that the line was crossed with the AP wire tapping but it has been erased completely with this action against Kokesh.

You simply can not harass and arrest a citizen of the United States in clear violation of their first amendment rights for the sole reason of them being a political dissenter. This can just simply not be allowed or be tolerated in this country regardless of the administration, it's criminal and if it turns out to be the case that what seems to have happened has indeed happened as it is being reported, immediate action should be taken.

UPDATE

Kokesh charged with "assaulting a federal officer" and two more possible charges and denied bail due to a possible prior excessive drug abuse history.

You are witnessing the death of America ATS, it's happening right before your eyes.

“I’ve received word from a reputable but not official contact that Adam will be charged with assaulting a federal officer under 18 USC 111,” writes supporter and activist George Donnelly. “This is a very serious charge. Take note that this is not official information yet. The source however is very reputable.”

Kokesh was kidnapped by Philadelphia police as he gave a keynote speech on Saturday. The former Marine was not smoking or in possession of any drugs when he was arrested. Video of the incident shows Kokesh holding up his hands as he is dragged away.

Not only did Kokesh not resist arrest, he made no aggressive moves to any police officer, as the footage clearly shows.

If this is the case, I can't say just how big the implications actually are. The article goes on to say.

If he is charged with assaulting an officer, Kokesh will become the latest of a plethora of Americans who have been hit with such a charge despite acting in a totally peaceful and compliant manner. In some cases, people who have received brutal beat downs at the hands of police have later been charged with assaulting a cop.

The charge, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in jail, would almost certainly scupper Kokesh’s plans of leading an armed march on Washington DC in July if authorities are able to make it stick.

Keep something in mind.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910). Note that both of the above were state courts.

“Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.” John Bad Elk v. US, 177 US 529

Wow. So we don't have official word that he is being charged with that yet? I wonder who he supposedly "assaulted"?

PS - Was this thread forum slid?

Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by Malynn

 

If what appears to have happened is proven to be what happened then we may have just witnessed the start of what could very well become a "soft revolution". I think that the line was crossed with the AP wire tapping but it has been erased completely with this action against Kokesh.

You simply can not harass and arrest a citizen of the United States in clear violation of their first amendment rights for the sole reason of them being a political dissenter. This can just simply not be allowed or be tolerated in this country regardless of the administration, it's criminal and if it turns out to be the case that what seems to have happened has indeed happened as it is being reported, immediate action should be taken.

edit on 20-5-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)

But yes The Sixth Reich of United States of Absurdistan does this All the time to those who are against the Regime of Totalitarianist Thugs. Don't matter who or what political views they have, IF they are one, popular and therefore can persuade people to NOT only question a d critical think but ACT ON those questions,

Then yes, here comes the thug dogs KGB style to harness them in with the usual FALSE charges of assault, dangerousness, or what ever crack pot excuse they can use to Kidnap and detain their enemies if the Absurdistan State. Depending on how popular the DISSIDENT is will have a lot to do with the outcome, Leftist (commie backed) dissidents tend to come out ok, right wing or anarcho leaning (right, left that don't matter there) they will detain forever,

Using bogus charges of course. And they can DO this because majority of Absurdistanians flat don't care,

They are like school kids in the playground, they love to run to a fight, ESP against a Bully, they rally and cheer, but dare stand up if the admins persecute the kid who stands up to the bully and gets suspended, then it's business as usual and the bully remains in power. Or people who run to see fires or car accidents...many who cheer Dissenters are really just horror chasers whose lives are dull and they get off on the excitement but not care really, about the issues at stake, Because they don't want to DO anything that would COST them their comfort...

And the PTB know this, sadly however, the Ones who often Don't know this are the Dissenters themselves. When the Violent Murdering State shows its TRUE Character, most flee. The denial has to be protected at all costs, it's the Only Security people have

The ILLUSION

But it's better than nothing, they tell themselves because the Reality, is TERROR

And WE live in a TERRORIST STATE.

They will murder most of us before people get fed up...by that time, IF any are left, they will be the Brain washed traumatized young whom the demon lords will manipulate with gifts and lies, until the Next Culling...

Adam, is like Manning, Brown, and many others, a MARTYR for LIBERTY,

And Most Absurdistians, DON'T DESERVE TO BE IN SAME HUMAN WORLD WITH SUCH TRUE DEFENDERS OF LIBERTY.

I hope these fed pigs ROT IN HELL ...and their LORDS.

Just to clarify...

reply to post by Helious


Freedom of speech doesn't cover slander or defamation of character. Just wanted to get that out there, now i'll read the article.

My concerns is that the planned march on DC will go ahead even if
with a small number of diehards but,
how/and or... will there be any sure safe guards put in place to make sure
that there are NO implants of chaos slipped in amongst the ranks.
A Who is Who and rifle check to be sure that no marchers discharged
Their weapon if SHTF but again, how could this be done if after the "chaos"
happens.

Is there a way of any rational beforehand - cover Your butt strategy for this thing?

The Federal government is corrupt, plain and simple. They are abusing their power constantly, and this instance just proves it once again. They do not care about the fact that our Founding Fathers told us that we have an OBLIGATION to oppose tyranny of this sort, and that by speaking out and opposing the government, we are upholding the law. They either make completely false allegations, or just arrest someone like this and refuse to say why. Did he break the law? Did he threaten violence in any way? NO. He did absolutely nothing wrong.

THINK ABOUT THIS for a moment...Why would the government do this? Because they really are corrupt and really are abusing their power. Otherwise, they would not get so defensive when people like this speak out. If the person is not breaking the law, why not let whatever he is saying run its course. If what he is speaking is not the truth, his movement will not make it very far. But since he does have a legal leg and a moral leg to stand on, they wish to cut it out from under him. That is what is going on. If they are willing to violate a citizen's Constitutional right for SPEAKING, that has great implications. How can people not see this? They are acting defensively because not only is this person speaking the truth, but because they are criminals and they are wrong.

I just wan't to put a couple things out there because I'm seeing that some people don't really understand what is going on and are possibly confusing this with other things Adam Kokesh related.

1.) This isn't a thread discussing the legalization of marijuana or the use of illegal drugs. It's a thread discussing freedom of speech and tyrannical government.

2.) Adam Kokesh was arrested at a rally that is held yearly to vocalize the want for marijuana to be legalized. He was not smoking marijuana nor did he have anything illegal in his possession.

3.) He was arrested for resisting arrest. Yes, you heard that right. It appears he will be levied with additional charges and from what I understand they are involving things that happened during the arrest for resisting arrest.

4.) According to the witnesses and all available video footage, he did not offer any resistance in any way and in fact threw up his hands to show no resistance as he always does when police start man handling him, he did not resist nor did he assault anyone. This is confirmed by both eye witness accounts and video.

5.) He was kidnapped by federal officers. He was arrested for speaking and taken to a federal prison and for quite some time denied so much as a phone call. He was denied bail on the reported basis that he could have possibly in the past been a drug abuser which is patently outrageous.

6.) If you don't think this doesn't have any bearing on you because you don't know Adam Kokesh, you don't like Adam Kokesh or you don't agree with his political views, think again. If federal authorities can whisk anyone they want off a stage for speaking and throw them in a federal prison without legitimate charges, then we are all in world of hurt.

If your an American then you owe it to not only yourself and your countryman but also to your family to research this story yourself and see if what is being claimed is true because if it is............... What you thought this country was, what future you thought you had here and what you envision for your children may very well be at jeopardy.

Take a few minutes to educate yourself on whats happening here and follow this story because it's damn important to our freedom.

What can I say that would be relevant?

Sieg Heil!?

I guess since we are Nazis now can I get some nice boots at least?
Get that goose step going, you know, since we are obviously serious about this thing.

Hey, so when do we light the furnaces up?

Why is this thread allowed to stay while others were quickly 404'd? As I said in the previous thread that arrest stinks to all kinds of high heavens. That guy Don should be the one arrested for trying to place something on Adam. Also in order to resist arrest you need to be placed under arrest for something else first.

While I don't agree with many of his libertarian views, the guy should be allowed to say what he wants. Incidentally, while not a consumer myself, I do agree with his drug stance, because it's backed by facts.