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Originally posted by MariaLida
Very powerful and true massage ..
Pope Francis urges global leaders to end 'tyranny' of money
3:25PM BST 16 May 2013
Pope Francis has attacked the “dictatorship” of the global financial system and warned that the “cult of money” was making life a misery for millions.
He said free-market capitalism had created a “tyranny” and that human beings were being judged purely by their ability to consume goods.
Money should be made to “serve” people, not to “rule” them, he said, calling for a more ethical financial system and curbs on financial speculation.
The gap between rich and poor was growing and the “joy of life” was diminishing in many developed countries, the Argentinian Pope said, two months after he was elected as the successor to Benedict XVI.
www.telegraph.co.uk...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
SCREEEEEEEEECH ....
That's me putting on the breaks.
Up to this point ... everything he's done I have been applauding.
But I don't like this speech of his .. not one bit.
Makes me nervous ....
ETA .... I don't like it because he may say next that there needs to be a New World Order and a World Bank to take care of the entire planets money needs. It feels like that would be the next thing he'd say .... and that would be BAD.edit on 5/16/2013 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)
The Roman Catholic Church can't get their own priests to lay off the little boys . . . how are they going to get the rich folk to lay off the money? Both have the same chance of happening.
I would assume he's trying to point out that true wealth does not come from the chase of material gain and excess.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13
Who asked the Pope for his opinion ? Who is he ? That was a stupid request from some one like him . The Global leaders are Bankers and they love the power money exerts on people . They have created the problems to serve their purpose .
The Pope is not calling for a centralized financial or governmental authority. He is specifically identified States as those with the responsibility. He is also not calling for a cashless society. The Pope is not sitting on the greatest wealth in the world. There are individuals with more wealth than the Church has. (The Church sees the art it has been given as a treasure for all mankind and will not sell it) (tothetenthpower, I'm speaking to you, too.)
Originally posted by VforVendettea
Sounds good now but still refuse the mark if he promotes oh say...Getting chipped in the hand or forehead in lieu of using money.
Just sayin'
You might be right, I suppose, but I don't see any of that in his speech. He makes a point of supporting the decisions of the various States, based on their circumstances. What makes you think that's his concern? From his speech:
Global domination of the economy is of paramount importance to this papacy. . . . The Pope would like nothing more than even more centralized control of the world economy in the hands of the few.
This imbalance results from ideologies which uphold the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation, and thus deny the right of control to States, which are themselves charged with providing for the common good. A new, invisible and at times virtual, tyranny is established, one which unilaterally and irremediably imposes its own laws and rules.
Having no reason to doubt him, I accept the idea that he is encouraging the leaders of the world to install an ethics based economy. Again, from his speech:
With what exactly do you think the Pope wants to replace the current financial system? Power to the people? More economic freedom for the masses? More wealth for the poor and homeless? I find this highly improbable, if not illogical.
Dear Ambassadors, there is a need for financial reform along ethical lines that would produce in its turn an economic reform to benefit everyone. This would nevertheless require a courageous change of attitude on the part of political leaders. I urge them to face this challenge with determination and farsightedness, taking account, naturally, of their particular situations. Money has to serve, not to rule! The Pope loves everyone, rich and poor alike, but the Pope has the duty, in Christ’s name, to remind the rich to help the poor, to respect them, to promote them. The Pope appeals for disinterested solidarity and for a return to person-centred ethics in the world of finance and economics.
I didn't see anything in his speech that indicates the Church is trying to take power from governments or people.
I assure you that the papacy is a political institution, and the jabs at the current economic system are only a power grab.
So?
Anyone that has gone to Catholic schools, or been involved in the Church in any respect whatsoever, knows full well that the Church is not a democracy. It is run from the top down.
You might be right, I suppose, but I don't see any of that in his speech. He makes a point of supporting the decisions of the various States, based on their circumstances. What makes you think that's his concern? From his speech:This imbalance results from ideologies which uphold the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation, and thus deny the right of control to States, which are themselves charged with providing for the common good. A new, invisible and at times virtual, tyranny is established, one which unilaterally and irremediably imposes its own laws and rules.
"Countries should impose more control over their economies and not allow “absolute autonomy”, in order to provide “for the common good”."
Having no reason to doubt him, I accept the idea that he is encouraging the leaders of the world to install an ethics based economy.
I didn't see anything in his speech that indicates the Church is trying to take power from governments or people.
I disagree, and I think I have explained why I disagree.
He is advocating "more control". What does that mean, exactly? It means more centralization of economic power into the hands of the few, not the many. It means a single global currency, advanced microchip technology, and a unified world banking system.
If anything, it was Reagan and the Pope attempting to prevent Russia's global dominance.
The papacy has a long history, and that history is rife with a long-term globalist agenda. We see, for example, Pope John Paul II, in recent history countering Gorbachev and Reagan for global governance.
I hear your claims, but I don't hear evidence to support them. I must be missing something. (Unless there's nothing to hear.)
You start with saying the Pope's words are lies to advance an agenda. Does he have a history of lying? If you judge the Pope's words so harshly, how are we do judge yours? You ask us to look closely at his actions. Ok, what action do you see, and what does it mean to you?
The Pope has indicated he doesn't want a centralized plan. Is he lying about what he wants, and you're telling the truth? That's a little hard to swallow. Where does your idea come from?
It seems that you are saying the Pope wants to create world-wide misery to further global economic control. Again, is there evidence for this?
What kind of changes would the Pope like? Systems run by each State for the benefit of all it's members and not allowing Socialism or Capitalism to run wild without restraint. Concern for the poor. The words "absolute autonomy" which you provide, refer to the unbridled control of any economic system, but especially those that cause the poor to suffer.