Pope Francis urges global leaders to end 'tyranny' of money!!

reply to post by MariaLida


I guess even a pope can be a retard. Money is just a medium of exchange. Neither good nor evil. MOney actually helps people in that they have an easy and portable means to exchange goods and services.

reply to post by MariaLida


Actions speak louder than words. The pope should start with the riches of the Vatican first to prove he is sincere about what he says. Until than, all I see is political posturing.

Actions speak louder than words. The pope should start with the riches of the Vatican first to prove he is sincere about what he says. Until than, all I see is political posturing.

No kidding. I mean, talk about hypocrisy. The world's wealthiest institution criticizing the current economic system. Sounds more like he wants to eliminate the competition.

Originally posted by MariaLida
Very powerful and true massage ..

Pope Francis urges global leaders to end 'tyranny' of money
3:25PM BST 16 May 2013

Pope Francis has attacked the “dictatorship” of the global financial system and warned that the “cult of money” was making life a misery for millions.

He said free-market capitalism had created a “tyranny” and that human beings were being judged purely by their ability to consume goods.

Money should be made to “serve” people, not to “rule” them, he said, calling for a more ethical financial system and curbs on financial speculation.

The gap between rich and poor was growing and the “joy of life” was diminishing in many developed countries, the Argentinian Pope said, two months after he was elected as the successor to Benedict XVI.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

He's right.

He's right.

Unfortunately, no. Because what he will propose is a global monetary system, with a single world bank, and a micro-chipped population.

Why do you think we have had one wave of financial crisis after another? To make way for a global currency.

The Pope uses this flowery language to lull the sheep to sleep. Don't buy it. Think about his motives. This is one of the most powerful political positions in our modern world. He is using his bully pulpit to promote a global currency.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Oh yeah, that's rich, pardon the pun.

Maybe the Vatican should start paying taxes or open up their coffers to the needy folk in the world.

I'm sure if they showed us their books and wealth holdings, we'd find they are just as much in bed with the banking oligarchy than any other institution.

~Tenth

I'm not a Catholic, and maybe what you say is right, but this Pope has a different heart than the others. Being Pope doesn't mean he just goes out and sells stuff and liquidates everything. If the rules can be changed I'm sure he'd try but remember the Pope is a figurehead, not a leader who dictates everything and makes changes at will and whim.

reply to post by CookieMonster09


It sounds like the pope is playing the NWO card .The Rothschilds are holding his (their) Gold and have a lot of influence over the Vatican . Going to an electric or digital money is cost effective for the Banksters because maintaining a physical money is very costly . The Banksters will save big , but we will be enslaved by the Mark of the Beast system that is coming . For any resistance to the Elite Laws or infraction our access will be cut off . For that reason you will submit or die . The Global electronic currency would be the nail in the coffin for us all . This is the plan called the Protocols of Zion and it is almost completed by the Zionest Askenazi Jews .

I like what he said, if that is all that there is to it. But like some have commented already it is what comes next that is worrisome. Furthermore, I havent done it here because I dont care enough, but I have found the way his comments are being presented in the MSM are not exactly in context, when I have looked at the original transcript it has revealed that there is nothing new about his attitude.

Sounds like the Pope is playing both sides. Unless he didn't actually use the term "free market Capitalism" in conjunction with "Global financial tyranny".

Maybe that Snopes article saying the interview with Chris Matthews was a hoax is right on, as in that interview he bashed the spread of socialism and controlling people's finances.
I'd like to know what he really did say, and not the paraphrasing of little ol Telegraph.

The people over at the Blaze seem to be more optimistic than me about him possibly not being socialist

www.theblaze.com...

Originally posted by CookieMonster09

He's right.

Unfortunately, no. Because what he will propose is a global monetary system, with a single world bank, and a micro-chipped population.

Why do you think we have had one wave of financial crisis after another? To make way for a global currency.

The Pope uses this flowery language to lull the sheep to sleep. Don't buy it. Think about his motives. This is one of the most powerful political positions in our modern world. He is using his bully pulpit to promote a global currency.

You're too cynical and conspiratorially minded imho. The Pope has a lot of influence in this regard. His bankers are the Rothchilds let's not forget.

He sees the web and he's speaking out against the unjust top-down stratification of society and civilization which is sucking the "joy of life" out of the experience of life for so many people.

I therefore cannot help but applaud his position and policy, because, given the Vatican's reach, it has and will have an impact.

Anything to free up constraints and the fetters that bind us, and in regards to money, he's right that it's supposed to work FOR the human being, not the other way around I'm so glad he's addressed this issue.

If he keeps this kind of thing up you mind even find me kneeling in the pews of the RCC!

Best regards,

NAM

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by MariaLida

 

I was with him until he started blaming the free markets.

First of all, what free markets? Governments are constantly intervening to help out their rich buddies.

Talk about the cancer that is the Rothschild debt based central banking scheme.

Yes, this is exactly what I'm concerned about. He sounds like the Vatican Voice of Occupy to me. If he would make the distinction between the monopolistic tendencies of today's markets as opposed to real free enterprise I might agree. If regulations were going to do anything, then Barney Frank would not have looked the other way on Fannie/Freddie. Someone needs to give him a crash course on crony socialism.

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Thank you for posting the actual text of his address, and not the paraphrasing text of journalistic commentators. After reading it, he does take people to task for greed and manipulation. I have to say that even those advocating Socialism in the US and worldwide have been taking advantage. I mean, Barack is making a killing off of the BP Oil spill disaster, while at the same time advocating that the rest of us give up our money to taxes so that Sandra Fluke can have her contraception paid for. (her bf was a known socialist so no one is going to convince me she wanted anything less than that for herself and others).
Both socialism and monopolistic and crony capitalism have become tools for greedy politicians and petty dictators to gain control of large sums of money and even make off with golden parachutes while the rest of humanity suffers.

reply to post by MariaLida

Originally posted by MariaLida

[...]Pope Francis has attacked the “dictatorship” of the global financial system and warned that the “cult of money” was making life a misery for millions.[...]

Even though I agree with this to a point... look who's casting stones!

Originally posted by MariaLida

He said free-market capitalism had created a “tyranny” and that human beings were being judged purely by their ability to consume goods.

This is where the infallable Pope failed miserably.

It wasn't "free-market capitalism" that created a "tyranny"... it was the centralist agenda that distorted the markets and eroded our fiscal and political sovereignty and independence, and thus created "tyranny".
Centralism is the disease and we certainly don't need more of it (as the vatican proposed in the past).

Good thing the Pope's opinion doesn't matter. Thank god for secularism!

reply to post by ColCurious

I think it might help if people were to read his speech. Here's the link:
www.zenit.org...

I don't happen to think he's referring to the US with this comment, but he might be. It's the closest approach he makes to condemning any particular system.

This imbalance results from ideologies which uphold the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation, and thus deny the right of control to States, which are themselves charged with providing for the common good. A new, invisible and at times virtual, tyranny is established, one which unilaterally and irremediably imposes its own laws and rules.

Moreover, indebtedness and credit distance countries from their real economy and citizens from their real buying power. Added to this, as if it were needed, is widespread corruption and selfish fiscal evasion which have taken on worldwide dimensions.

I think that the system allows for the right of control by States. Some might even say there's too much control. But certainly a good argument can be made on either side.

reply to post by charles1952

I read the speech (thanks for the link), and as I said, I agree to a point.

Here is my point:
Centralised financial systems already denied the right of control to national states (look what the troika did to greece for example) and deposed the people as the highest political body of our nations via lobbyism/corruption.
Giving more control to national states won't help, since they are already corrupted.

The way out (IMO) is to give the political power back to the people by limiting the power of said centralized political and economic systems.
The vatican council proposes a global financial authority as far as I know, when what is really needed is exactly the opposite.

reply to post by Astrocyte


I'm not exactly how conscious the founder of whole foods is if he thinks a block of cheese and a loaf of bread is worth 30 bucks... he just capitalized on the growing movement of people wanting to eat healthier. The same way Sam Walton capitalized on people wanting things cheaper all in one place. My opinion? He's just as greedy and opportunistic a corporate ceo as the one heading Monsanto.

Well, the pope isn't far off if you look at how the world operates; money controls the world and shapes policy... seeing how he's supposed to be a spiritual kind of guy, I would assume he's trying to point out that true wealth does not come from the chase of material gain and excess.

He sees the web and he's speaking out against the unjust top-down stratification of society and civilization which is sucking the "joy of life" out of the experience of life for so many people. I therefore cannot help but applaud his position and policy, because, given the Vatican's reach, it has and will have an impact.

The "impact" and agenda that the Pope is promoting is more centralization of power, and a global, electronic currency controlled by the elites. This is not "power to the people". This is globalist rhetoric designed to centralize power.

The papacy is a political institution, not a spiritual or religious one. The Pope is a politician on the world stage. He is an active participant in the promotion of the destabilization of the current economic system for the purpose of implementing a global currency, a global bank, and a micro-chipped and subservient populace. He is a globalist of globalists and a political power broker.

"Gee, the poor people of the world are being hurt by the current economic system. We need to implement a global currency that stabilizes the current world economy, and put in place a world bank to prevent financial collapse." That's the agenda, and that is the message this Pope is conveying.

When will the church ask to end the tyranny of millions by calling for new crusades? Christians around the world are terrorized and killed, yet nobody in the Christian faith stands up and does a thing about it. We in America will see certain towns and areas with Sharia law in the next 10-15 years.

How about an end to the tyranny of secrecy.

Hint: It will solve both problems, plus many more known and unknown!

Originally posted by ColCurious
I read the speech...and I agree to a point.

Here is my point:
Centralized financial systems already denied the right of control to national states (look what the troika did to greece for example) and deposed the people as the highest political body of our nations via lobbyism/corruption.
Giving more control to national states won't help, since they are already corrupted.

The way out (IMO) is to give the political power back to the people by limiting the power of said centralized political and economic systems. The Vatican council proposes a global financial authority (as far as I know), when what is really needed is exactly the opposite.

Correct. Decentralize everything, and start with money.
Is this possible? Yes, technology has made it possible.

The centralized financial systems may not like it but thanks
to Satoshi Nakamoto we now have a peer-to-peer system
for digital wealth/property conveyance that works.

www.newyorker.com...

There are lots of ways to make money: You can earn it, find it, counterfeit it, steal it. Or, if you’re Satoshi Nakamoto, you can invent it. That’s what he did on the evening of January 3, 2009, when he pressed a button on his keyboard and created a new currency called Bitcoin. It was all bit, and no coin. There was no paper, copper, or silver—just thirty-one thousand lines of code and an announcement on the Internet. Nakamoto wanted to create a currency immune to the predations of bankers and politicians. The currency was controlled entirely by software. Every ten minutes or so, coins would be distributed through a process that resembled a lottery. This way, the bitcoin software would release a total of twenty-one million bitcoins, most all of them over the next twenty years. Interest in Nakamoto’s invention built steadily. More and more people dedicated their computers to the lottery, and forty-four exchanges popped up, allowing anyone with bitcoins to trade them for dollars, euros, or other currencies. At first, a single bitcoin was valued at less than a penny. But merchants gradually began to accept bitcoin, and at the end of 2010 the value began to appreciate rapidly. By June of 2011, a bitcoin was worth more than twenty-nine dollars. Market gyrations followed, and by September the exchange rate had fallen to five dollars. Still, with more than seven million bitcoins in circulation, Nakamoto had created thirty-five million dollars of value. And yet Nakamoto was a cipher. There was no trace of any coder with that name before the début of bitcoin. He used an e-mail address and Web site that were untraceable. In 2009 and 2010, he wrote hundreds of posts in flawless English, invited other software developers to help him improve the code. Then, in April, 2011, he sent a note to a developer saying that he had “moved on to other things.” He has not been heard from since.

Maz Keiser has called Satoshi Nakamoto the "Cyber-Christ," but I doubt the Pope has even heard of Bitcoin or given much thought to such emerging technologies, much less their potential to liberate the oppressed.

Unlike traditional currency, bitcoins are not issued by a government or even a private company. Instead, the currency is run by computer code that distributes new bitcoins at a set rate to people who devote web servers to keep the code running. Before bitcoin it was precious metal that provided the “anchoring” for fiat currencies and held inflation in check. Now the same principle of sound money that used gold and silver to chain down the mischief of governments is the fundamental operating principle employed in the bitcoin code.

Simply stated, bitcoin is electronic cash that is not subject to the false authority of government and therefore, like pure gold or silver, it will NEVER loose it’s value due to inflation. In short, Bitcoin is the 21st century alternative to the Internationale Banking Oligarch which dominated the 20th century, and it will change the world in ways we are only now beginning to understand.

To many people, this sounds like an implausibly rosy future, and for early adopters that is true — it feels like winning the lottery every day. However, for most other people, the ascendancy of distributed currency systems will feel like a disaster. ... the rise of distributed currencies such as bitcoin could create massive social upheaval due to governments’ rapidly degrading capability to fulfill their core functions of taxation and regulation of commerce.

lifeboat.com...

As the article quoted above points out, Bitcoin is a very disruptive technology. In the past, the big pools of capital could influence governments of the world with debt, thus controlling people from the top down. However, what we are seeing emerge now is a bottom-up revolution where the individuals are reclaiming their sovereignty, and rejecting all false authority. The Pope may speak against the "cult of money" but his Office is as much a symbol of THE OLD AGE as the golden calf was 4000 years ago,

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete" ~Buckminster Fuller