Seven Foreigner Nationals Caught Trespassing at large Boston Reservoir.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by Onami

 

EPA has set the arsenic standard for drinking water at .010 parts per million (10 parts per billion) to protect consumers served by public water systems from the effects of long-term, chronic exposure to arsenic. Water systems must comply with this standard by January 23, 2006, providing additional protection to an estimated 13 million Americans.

If there is 4120 us gallons of Arsenic in that water it would still be safe. I don't know how much they would need for it to be deadly. Did they have access to more then 4120 gallons of arsenic? I am sure they did not. No reports of semis.

With all due respect, I do not believe you are considering the actual motive of an act of terror (not saying this particular case was that). That motive is to terrorize, to instill fear. Whether that fear is unwarranted is irrelevant to the terrorist. Regardless of any documented sickness or fatalities, the mere reporting of the drinking water being tampered with will instill fear and terror in the population.

So, someone could be caught pouring a bottle of "clear liquid" into a water supply, and if it is under suspicious circumstances, it could be reported as an attempted tampering of the water supply. It more about perception than substance. Like it or not, that sells news. In selling news, you get the eyeballs on the TV, and therefore eyeballs on the advertisements, who are paying for that "news broadcast".\

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by Krakatoa

 

True but they did say they were students. Why bring that up if they were not there as students? I know the cop should question them even if they say they are supposed to be there as students if he feels something does not seem right to him. If they were students why did they park outside the gate. That application shows where they should mark the number of keys needed to enter the gate? This is a strange case but I think digging is needed and not people jumping to conclusions.

I believe we are in fervent agreement here. I am in no way condoling their actions, at all. If I gave that perception, I apologize. But, the fact still remains, students or not, if they did not have written approval to be there at that time, then they were trespassing illegally and should be charged as such. And, if found to be on VISAs (as foreign nationals), then their VISA status should be questioned and investigated IMO.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Muslims engaged in Jihad.

Detain, interrogate, deport.

Stereotype much? And they at least did the thing all terrorist do that is tell them where they went to college and the degree they held. Time to turn off the tv not everyone from the ME is a terrorist.

Besides it sounds like it would be worth seeing.

Are you insinuating that muslims don't practice jihad?????

Race should not (and does not appear to) matter in this situation. I mean, of course the cop should have checked out two parked cars in a restricted area after midnight. He rightfully followed protocol by questioning the individuals.

For those claiming any racial bias in the matter, here's the part that ends any argument: the cops let them go. After making sure they didn't have any warrants (standard procedure even for a blown tail light), he let them drive off home.

As far as any deeper motive besides just wanting to take some girls out to the "lake" on a starry night...the most I can imagine is that this would have been some sort of recon. I'm definitely not an expert on the subject, but I like a lot of you have a hard time imagining that they could have carried in enough contaminants to affect a reservoir that size.

reply to post by Krakatoa


There is a difference between an act of terror and fear mongering. I feel that this might be a case of fear mongering not terror. 7 students in a research area is questionable and should be investigated if there stories seemed wrong on why they were there. But saying 7 foreign students in a restricted area near a water supply and it only takes a arsenic or other things to poison it when you would need thousand of gallons is fear mongering. Now the bombing sites and Army Core of Engineers and the USDOD being there to collect data and do research. That does peak my interest of whats going on out there. And are these foreign students part of that research? That is a conspiracy, I remember they were saying that the CIA was training Foreign Nationals for sabotage 50 miles North of Vegas. That would put them at the nuclear testing and storage facility. Could this be the same type of deal? The military connection should be looked into.

Originally posted by Turkenstein

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Muslims engaged in Jihad.

Detain, interrogate, deport.

Stereotype much? And they at least did the thing all terrorist do that is tell them where they went to college and the degree they held. Time to turn off the tv not everyone from the ME is a terrorist.

Besides it sounds like it would be worth seeing.

Are you insinuating that muslims don't practice jihad?????

Like all religions, only some are extremists. Just like the conflict here, the IRA and the UVF and other quangoes blew innocent civiilans to pieces, while rarely killing one another. All the while they would be up there, biting the altar.

You'd need an awful lot of whatever it was you were putting in the resevoir to affect 400 billion + gallons of water.

reply to post by JBA2848


There are a few damns there are there not? Two prominent ones on the southern tips of the reservoir, again not sure the concern would be the damns, but rather the water with in them. It supplies a very large number of people with fresh water which you kind of need to survive more than a week.

Originally posted by babybunnies
You'd need an awful lot of whatever it was you were putting in the resevoir to affect 400 billion + gallons of water.

Or a very little of something scary to instill fear and terror in peoples minds.

reply to post by babybunnies


Even if it were a virus that replicates rapidly in water and thrives for a long time? Why would this be impossible?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


That's why chemicals themselves would be used rather than a bio-weapon. Jeeze, you people and your bio-threats. Yeah, a bio attack is scary, but that potentially puts everyone at risk. A chemical weapon how ever can be some what aimed at a general target. The right chemicals in the water supply, and those treatment facilities are about as good as catching slag with a kleenex.

Originally posted by Onami
reply to post by babybunnies

 

Even if it were a virus that replicates rapidly in water and thrives for a long time? Why would this be impossible?

A virus requires a living host to replicate itself, and some virus' can lay dormant with out a host for many many years. No living host, and the virus will not replicate period.

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You do realize there are poisons that are effective in a microscopic dose right? So, a poisons that needs a single grain to kill one adult human being, two cars and 5 people could have carried plenty enough to make many people at least very very ill. Again, those substances being discovered would be enough to cause the intended terror results.

Nothing strange about a bunch of foreign-born chemical engineers satisfying their curiosity about the Quabbin reservoir in the middle of the night...

This is actually a bit disconcerting to me, but we'll see I guess.

I found this information from WHO on Bird flu in water.

www.who.int...

reply to post by Hijinx


I actually work in water security and anti-terrorism, and can confirm that yes, even a very small amount of something can kill a person, the most lethal being Soman. Just over 1 microgram of Soman would kill 50% of 'reference men.' However, it would still take about 2000 kgs of this compound to contaminate a 400 billion gallon reservoir to that concentration. Even if a smaller amount would be used directly by outflow, I am confident that toxicity would be detected, though not immediately identified by specific compound, before finished water is released from treatment. Finished water storage is typically very secure.

Originally posted by Turkenstein

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Muslims engaged in Jihad.

Detain, interrogate, deport.

Stereotype much? And they at least did the thing all terrorist do that is tell them where they went to college and the degree they held. Time to turn off the tv not everyone from the ME is a terrorist.

Besides it sounds like it would be worth seeing.

Are you insinuating that muslims don't practice jihad?????

No I never said that. He implied they were on a Jihad how did he know if they were. His statement was nothing more than stereotyping people simply because of where they are from. To me he sounds like a racist.

There is not enough contaminants to contaminate that amount of water there, and no one drinks from the lake. The water is processed and goes through filtration and inspections at every stage before it arrives at the civilian's tap. The concept of using reservoirs as a bio weapon had long been dumped. Only nuts think it is possible

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


You need a chemistry lesson friend. There are hazardous agents both chemical and biological that only need to be introduced in a few ppb. And, a terrorist would not concentrate on the massive water body, but would instead introduce "it " near the pump outflow head, which is probably the area that they were caught in. Why do you think that they shut down access to that area, if there were no possible threat?

Additionally, if contamination was not the plan, then explosives at the outflow head would certainly be a viable way to shut down a city's water supply for a long time.

I applaud the diligent agent that caught these idiots and would bet a paycheck that they were up to no good.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Muslims engaged in Jihad.

Detain, interrogate, deport.

Stereotype much? And they at least did the thing all terrorist do that is tell them where they went to college and the degree they held. Time to turn off the tv not everyone from the ME is a terrorist.

Besides it sounds like it would be worth seeing.

Ignorant much ? It just don't look good. Legit reasons or nefarious if they lied or tried to make up some bull# story and it was found out later what they went to college for it would make them look even more suspicious. You fail at common sense and logic. I hope you are in no position of any kind of authority or involved in keeping anyone safe..

If they wanted to see that for career or educational purpose's why not ASK during normal hours.. If they were legit maybe they would get a tour ?

It does not pay to be politically correct all the time. I have some news for your Radical Muslims do not like us and after Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and us giving Israel free reign to bully kill rob and steal from an entire region even non radical Muslims are not liking us much.

And here's the kicker I DONT BLAME THEM one bit.. If I had to burry one of my children because a drone or collateral damage from a country I myself did nothing to I WOULD go radical..

I have no problem with Muslims or any religion but it's the reality we live in today because of our corrupt Government Democrat or Republican.. It brings tears to my eyes literally, I have cried seeing some of the stuff happening over there, children in pieces.. not just to them but our men too.. I'm not sure of the numbers now but at one point there were more suicides then death by insurgents in the military...

Its not going to end until we stop.. We need to be the bigger person and stop.. only then can things begin to heal.. All we are doing is making it worse...