ATS is losing it's roots

Yes your right , i notice every time i write a thread proposing a theory like for example
whys Nasa hiding pictures of shard on moon
or Area51 taken under Alien control

I get beaten up by the debunkers, which is about half the people on this site. Are we not a conspiracy site or not, if i someone says the moon is made of cheese we should be all in, arguing this as the case.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage

I get beaten up by the debunkers, which is about half the people on this site. Are we not a conspiracy site or not, if i someone says the moon is made of cheese we should be all in, arguing this as the case.

I'm not sure I'm following this.

Are we supposed to believe everything anyone posts on ATS?

reply to post by Majic


Nahhh...you don't have to believe it, just don't disagree with it. It's rude.

They have discussion boards for that kind of thing....

Peace

reply to post by extraterrestrialentity


You know what, I hear this type of thing all the time. Theres a new thread on the same topic at LEAST once a month, if not every two weeks, and the basic premise is the same. "ATS has become mainstream" or "ATS has gone to crap"...

Heres the thing. The only part of this website, that you have direct control over, is the content you provide, and the comments you make in response to that which has been posted by others. Therefore, it is on you to continue to post threads or comments which conform to your idea of how this site ought to be, and what it ought to be about. If others choose not to interact in a manner you deem acceptable, thats unfortunate, but if you want to see a return to the sort of conspiracy discussion you are talking about, you pretty much have to suck that up, and post your threads and comments ANYWAY!

Also, its not as if recent activity on the site has been totally devoid of conspiracy related topics. Countless threads about the Boston Bombing have spawned up, many containing fullsome discussions about the possibility of them being a false flag (not that anyone who uses that phrase more than once a day seems to have the faintest bloody idea what it actually means anymore) attack, discussions about the possible connections the bombers had to various groups outside the US, how they may have been set up, and so on and so forth.

There is plenty of conspiracy left in them thar hills so to speak, and if you want that to remain the case, you need to focus on your own contributions, and ensure they meet your standard for such things. Lead by example.

reply to post by extraterrestrialentity

It's not that we do not talk about conspiracies anymore, it's that we address them differently now.

We have become so accustom to conspiracies that they have lost their mysterious luster. What used to be a super hush hush conspiracy is now just politics and coverups that happen every damn day.

It's a mad world, and even more so, since we are getting used to it.

reply to post by Majic

I'm not sure I'm following this.

Are we supposed to believe everything anyone posts on ATS?

Why not reality is up for grabs.

reply to post by extraterrestrialentity

I barely even see any conspiracy topics anymore. It's almost as if conspiracy threads are frowned upon.

I agree, it even seems sometimes that the ownership has taken a position against conspiracy theories, just like you said, like it´s frowned upon, like it doesn´t belong here.

I also find it strange that not a single staff member seems to believe in any conspiracy when it boils down to specific theories.

I'll say it again...

ATS has no opinion, ATS has no stance on any subject. ATS is a direct reflection of what humanity is thinking about. ATs is nothing more than a portal for our members to share what they see, think, feel, and experience in this interestingly jacked up world. ATS holds no sway over anything and all we ask is that you interact with your fellow human in a decent and civil way. Easy Peasy.

Sorry but this is probably the biggest load of ****¨I have heard in a really long time. IF ATS has no opinion there wouldn't be so many threads dissapearing about certain shootings and whatnot.

Also, the censorship on this site has gotten to an all time high... I mean for a site that takes no stance on any subject. Then why is it not allowed anymore to make a thread about certain chemicals found in drugs. Or adult threads talking about sex in the occult.

Because ATS has the opinion of the advertisers. Everyone knows this here on ATS. So why not come forward and say it like it is.
Its frustrating at times but it is what it is, this site needs money to survive, but again be honest about it, and don't take the moral highground and acting like this site has no opinion.

This site isn't a conspiracy site anymore, its just a forum to talk about news. I'm still wondering how long it will take before this moto "deny ignorance" gets removed completely website.

This is in no way a rant. I'm not angry these are just facts. Noone is forcing me to post here, and I signed the TAC so I agreed to the conditions ATS works.

reply to post by DaveStinger

I'll say it again... ATS has no opinion, ATS has no stance on any subject. ATS is a direct reflection of what humanity is thinking about. ATs is nothing more than a portal for our members to share what they see, think, feel, and experience in this interestingly jacked up world. ATS holds no sway over anything and all we ask is that you interact with your fellow human in a decent and civil way. Easy Peasy.

This doesn´t seem to be truthfull. Do you really think people are stupid, do you really believe it is not completely obvious that ATS is not objective at all?

The fact that my previous post was removed as an extreme TandC violation is proof enough of that.

How can anyone,truthfully say that ATS holds no sway over anything? This is simply not true, and is plain to see.

There is a verb for the action of consciously not telling the truth.

I guess the usage of that verb got my post removed.

reply to post by DaveStinger


Given that ATS is not the owners or moderators, but the members, I reckon any lack of objectivity has more to do with the opinions of the members than it does with those who run the place.

There is ALOT of utter nonsense and rubbish out there these days. ATS has remained one of the last free fronts if you like, for user generated content.

Sure you may be waiting twice the length of time for a thread to come along what strikes your interest than you used to, but so what? I think it's good to see ATS evolve into a more diverse community. There is only so much real conspiracy out there to report on.

It's also blatantly obvious that a lot of members like the challenge of heated debate and debunking that comes with the freedoms of a diverse community.

I hear what your saying but i'll say the change is for the better all-in-all. I'd rather that then see ATS die a death.

Nm, misinterpreted your post.

Given that ATS is not the owners or moderators, but the members, I reckon any lack of objectivity has more to do with the opinions of the members than it does with those who run the place.

Please explain. Do you mean that the opinions of those members, are "wrong"?

reply to post by DaveStinger


Of course not. However, just because your post or posts broke the T&C of the site, which you agreed to in order to join it in the first place, does not mean that there is any lack of objectivity attached to the sanctions applied to your posts. The lack of objectivity comes in knowing the rules, and breaking them anyway.

The T&C of this site may not be to your liking. Heck, there are things about the way we have to speak to one another to follow them, which really annoy me. The fact we cannot use certain language to garnish the meat and potatos of our views, the fact that there are some topics which we cannot discuss, really makes me mad as hell. However, I enjoy the use that I DO get out of the site, and if I wish to continue to do so, then I must keep my contributions within the rules. Rules, I might add, which in completing my membership application, I swore to keep faithfully.

That is objectivity. Joining up and moaning about it afterwards is not.

reply to post by operation mindcrime


That is absolutely ridiculous. There is no discussion without "argument." In the classical sense, argument is the foundation of all reason. The moon is demonstrably NOT made of cheese, because there are no cows or goats in space. ATS has never been a place where wackadoodle ideas receive massive support without compelling argument, and it never should be. To argue otherwise is ignorance.

ATS is losing it's roots

Only when you have cut off your roots are you able to fly, fly, fly...

reply to post by TrueBrit

Rules, I might add, which in completing my membership application, I swore to keep faithfully.

You mean you clicked the "I Agree" button? Or was there some secret blood drinking ritual I missed?

Look guy, all I'm saying is that the statement that was made, is untrue, cause they do almost as they please, without further explanation.

And some of the rules are so blanket and open for interpretation, that if you would apply them consistently you would have to remove half the site.

reply to post by extraterrestrialentity

ATS is losing it's roots

I've caught myself wondering the same thing. There is no doubt that over time, the topic-complexion of this site has changed. But to be honest, it basically represents the mood of the nation and the world right now.

The subject of paranormal and UFOs has been sidetracked by a government that drove headlong into what now seems to be an eternal war against virtually undefined enemies. We've seen two administrations... one from each party, come and basically start shredding the constitution in order to give the federal government more power than was ever intended by those who built the foundations of this country.

As far as agents of deception? Well, there was never any effort to make a secret of it. Those originally identified as 'Obama Truth Teams' were set loose on the web leading up to the 2008 elections. There purpose was to (supposedly) prevent disinformation about their candidate but... in the long run, they seem to have been kept around to mow down most any dissenting view that carries any weight, even to this day.

So, it is understandable how these kinds of topics have kind of off-set those that used to own the thread base. I think it's pretty darn reflective of the nation as a whole right now.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by operation mindcrime

 

That is absolutely ridiculous. There is no discussion without "argument." In the classical sense, argument is the foundation of all reason. The moon is demonstrably NOT made of cheese, because there are no cows or goats in space. ATS has never been a place where wackadoodle ideas receive massive support without compelling argument, and it never should be. To argue otherwise is ignorance.

Wow wow wow......hold up.

First of all, I was replying to Majic and second, it was meant sarcastic.

I know, I know, it was completely off-topic and not in good form but your reply makes even less sense. Did you not understand this wasn't a serious post towards the OP?

Take it one page back, there you will read my reaction to the OP. Comment on that if you will..

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Hey - fair enough. I didn't even see your little smiley face thing there when I read your reply, and assumed you were serious. My mistake, and I apologize. In my defense -- that argument is made all the time in seriousness around here (and elsewhere) and it is tiresome. You obviously agree so we are on the same page.