Humans Are NOT A Cancer!!

Originally posted by swan001

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by swan001

 

Very ignorant - keep your head in the sand and carry on.

As for you, I could say keep following the herd.

I agree that we should minimize our impact on our environment. But not to the point of promoting Eugenics.

I got Native American blood. It's in my nature to consider every animals, even plants, as my brothers and sisters. But I also consider mankind as part of my family, and I will never support attacks against mankind.

As long as there is hope, I will try and see if there is another way to save mankind other than to use Eugenics programs on it. I oppose Hitler's ideologies, no matter how disguised they can be in modern media.

edit on 12-5-2013 by swan001 because: (no reason given)

I am talking about water shortages, the earths resources being depleted and the destruction of life caused by over population.

Read Black Elk if you love life so much. BTW we are ALL NATIVE. To one region or another. So we are all indigenous peoples. I happen to be indigenous to the British Isles and Ireland, so what !

Does Black Elk propose that we should kill the lions. tigers, buffalo, birds, elephants, fish - just so that mankind can ravage this earth.

I think not.

Take your bigotted views and shove them.

No one mentioned eugenics apart from you.

reply to post by justwokeup

Not all of us. I applaud your position on this thread.

The 'anti-human' cause goes back a long way and has worn many masks.

I suggest some here go away and read 'Merchants of Despair' by Robert Zubrin. Its enlightening.

Wanting to look after our ecosystem is sensible, much in the same way it pays not to set your life boat on fire.

However this sensible idea has been deliberately perverted. We are a long way from having more people than the planet can stand. Its not about the numbers. Its about what those numbers are doing.

Who is responsible for the fact we in the west didn't transition fully to nuclear power from the 1960s onward (which doesn't pollute the atmosphere with contaminants and large amounts of C02)? Its not the greedy capitalists....

The green lobby are for the most part well meaning idiots servicing an agenda they don't understand.

Thank you for this post. Indeed, we must look after our ecosystem, and our present actions aren't helping. Indeed, the US and many other developed countries still haven't switched to nuclear power, or, even safer, to solar cooker.
But this has gone to a too much dangerous idealogy. It has gone to a power-greedy idealogy, to the worshipping of a false deity, and finally, to extermination. That is what I denounce.
And I'm glad and relieved that at least two member here denounce it too. Well, looks like six members, since I'm flagged six times...

Thanks for the book, I'll definitively check it out. The book that awoke me, and that I would also suggest, is "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. Very thought-provoking, and Crichton always make his research before writting a book, so there's 26 pages of bibliography supporting his theories.

reply to post by HelenConway

It is very very very ignorant to stick your head in the sand.

I would say that right back to you. It's very very very ignorant to stick your head in the sand and not see that the problem doesn't rely in us. Who is provoking the wars? Who is too greedy to not let free medical care to the immigrants? Not you, nor the immigrants's fault. Yes, here too we don't have free medical care; we got as much immigrants than any other countries. That doesn't mean there's overpopulation, it only means transfering from an unhospitable country to a better one. And it doesn't mean that they're a cancer for wanting to immigrate, or that we're a cancer for hosting them.

reply to post by HelenConway

over population depletes resources - causes, wars/ famine, destitution results - then mass immigration.
Civilisation is NOT the cancer - over population is...

Wake up and smell the roses swan

For the gazillion time, there's no over-population. For a gazillion time, we don't create wars, corporations does. We don't create famines, corporations does.
You might not like it, because lies from the media sounds sweeter than truth, but that's it. There's no over-population, and there wouldn't be wars or famines would we be in control. But the corporations wants you to believe that, so that you'll embrace their Eugenics program. In fact, some of you are already embracing it, although you hated it when Hitler introduced it.

reply to post by Onami

I think they only way we can achieve a survivable future is to stop breeding at the rate we are. It is no good looking for the corporations or each other for change. What good will come from pointing the finger at the couple down the road for having 3 when you have two yourself.

Do you wanna stop eating, have fun, and living, since you're there? That would help the future.
There's already less babies than in the thirties-fourthies, when people had 6-7 childs, now you wanna stop people having babies?
Well, it's again part of the Eugenics program. No more babies means no more people for them to worry about.
No, the problem isn't the families and the babies, they're allowed to live, for God's sake. The problem is the corporations, and yes, they are the ones you should point a finger. Babies don't do a damn against wars. Not having them doesn't stop war or famine, nor does having them creates wars or famines.
Food and home is a bigger factor for famines and poverty, and yet, you wouldn't stop eating, wouldn't you? No. Because we are not meant to live without living. Living means having fun, and having a family is a great joy.
And, that's exactly what the Guidestones asked: "Reduce breeding, and keep only the healthy babies". That is Eugenism. That's what Hitler was beginning to do. That is what the Rockefeller foundation is starting to execute.

reply to post by quietlearner

I doubt all there is to buy comes from one "elite" source like you say.
It doesn't, you just have to look at startup companies to know that

Really? Nestle, Mars, Bayer, Ford, GM, Mazda, GE, LP, BP, INTEL, News Corporations, Time Warner (and that's just to name a few), controls pretty much everything you eat, see, and hear.

you can buy food for local farmers as well

Local food, are five times more expensive than super-market foods. A bag of blueberries from local farmers costs 15$, while the same bag cost 3$ in a super-market. And imagine, Quebec (where I live) is one of the biggest producer of blueberries.
If we would buy locally, we would run out of money very fast. It would take the money reserved for the monthly rent, and we would be starving and homeless in no time.

the electric car? its already out
people don't buy it because its either 1) expensive 2) inconvenient 3) they like their V6s, V8s

Electric cars, in my country, are twice the price of a full-equiped cars, which is already the double of what people can buy. I don't know where you live, but in most countries, including mine, electric cars hasn't got out yet. And people can't afford cars above 15 000$

people, as well as companies, will do the environmentally friendly thing only if it makes financial sense
or if they selfishly feel like they are gaining something in return

Well duh. People will do the most logical financial choices to survive. We don't poop money, you know. If yes, pray tell me by which hole.

do you drive an electric car? did you install solar panel on your roof? do you buy local produce?
why not? because its expensive and most don't care

People can't afford cars over 15 000$ Electric cars hasn't got out yet in here. Solar panels are too damn expensive for poor people. Local food and clothes are five times more expensive. How can we pay all that, if we have NO money?? People do care about those things, 'cause it's about time that it happens, but corporations don't make them cheaper to buy. It's only reserved for the high-class of society.

reply to post by quietlearner

and it is not just about physical space like the op says
it is also about food, consumables, infrastructure, waste disposal, pollution, etc
definitely a serious problems and not "made up" by some shadow elite

More physical space means more physical space for food.
Infrastructure problem is solved by the tower design I've explained earlier.
Pollution? Already found solutions. Solar cooker can replace the coal mines and desalinaze sea-water, rendering it drinkable and solving the so-called water shortage.

reply to post by neilarm


get a grip dude freedom of religion and all that . jeebus is mentioned more in the koran than any other prophet go buy one and read it

You don't understand that Humans are reproducing at an exponential rate. All the problems are there, your just ignoring the problem saying its not happening, is not the same thing as it not happening. Its going to continue to be a problem weather or not you think it is.

fatknowledge.blogspot.com...
news.yahoo.com...

All the solutions you list is not going to help in the long run, eventually the population will out grow every thing. Unless you limit the population, or invest deeply into Terra forming and colonization of planets, it will always be a problem. That no amount of tech based on this planet can fix.

The shear logistics of feeding a 7-10 billion population is staggering in and off its self. There will be death and destruction. Civil order will break down as the haves and the have not's battle for limited resources.

Doesn't matter how many renewable resources we come up with, sooner or later our population will out run our ability to keep up with demand.

When that happens, wars you have never even dreamed of will occur, even if we fallow your path to the letter, it will happen.

Yet you won't live to see your plan blow up in your face, as over population isn't this generations problem, its still just a bit farther into the future, say 100-200 years until you see that kind of break down.

Man was either meant to limit himself, through living in sustainability with the environment. Which means culling the population, or It was meant to burst from this planet and go to the stars, either way over population is a problem and will happen.

Originally posted by HelenConway
I am talking about water shortages, the earths resources being depleted and the destruction of life caused by over population.

And I am telling you these shortages are due to natural causes, because Earth changes, going from interglacial eras to glacial eras and then back to interglacial eras.

Water shortage is an non-scientific term. You cannot have shortage of water, because every atoms on Earth are always being recycled. The overall total mass of water on Earth remains the same, because no energy or matter can disappear nor appear, only transform. There's water in the air you breath. If there isn't water in a lake, then the water will either be under the form of humidity and will go back to liquid water each time it rains, or it'll be stored as ice in a glacier and will eventually, in the future, melt under the sun's rays. Nothing can be destroyed, including water.

No one mentioned eugenics apart from you.

edit on 12-5-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

One doesn't go without the other in modern propaganda. Quite often people will support Eugenics because they basically hate other humans, and to avoid looking like nazis, they invent the myth of "overpopulation".

Here is your "overpopulation" problem (invented by Eugenics to justify their actions), and how Eugenics intends to step in to "resolve" the problem. Notice this file comes directly from a government source:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The articles contributed by Dr. G. C.L. Bertram and Dr.Robert C. Cook to the October 1963 number of THE EUGENICS REVIEW should stimulate consideration of what practical steps might be taken now, or in the immediate future, towards solving the twin problems of how to reduce the size and how to improve the quality of our population. In the following paragraphs of this leter a few suggestions are offered tentatively.
In the first place, the public must be persuaded, by means of the Press, radio and television that there is a real need to reduce our population, or at any rate to prevent its further growth.To bring this home it must be continually driven into people's minds that the various inconveni- ences and frustrations from which we suffer to-day-destruction of the country-side,over- crowded transport,road accidents,noise - all have their roots in overpopulation.

"In the first place, the public must be persuaded, by means of the Press, radio and television that there is a real need to reduce our population"... that means there isn't no real "need". It's a propaganda.

Some times, its not propaganda, just basic math. Come on you can do it, can you do the math required for an exponential growth rates. No matter how you slice it sooner or later we will run out of room, its just math nothing fake about it, you can't fake the math.

what ever way you look at it their is not enough water to keep us going for ever . if you look at old images from space of what rivers and lakes have dried up it is shocking think 100 years ahead .

we grow 4 times the amount of food we need already and most of it is dumped

reply to post by swan001


John you are the one spouting propaganda on this matter.

No water shortages according to JS.

Being worried about the depletion of resources due to massive increase in the human population is the same as eugenics according to the doctrines of John Swan.

I rest my case.

Goodnight.:

reply to post by billdadobbie


There's no such thing as a water "shortage," it's an issue of the water not being where it's needed. There's a solidly limited amount of water on earth that's been here since the planet was formed several billion years ago. The issue is that we can't (or more precisely, won't) distribute it properly. Global population density is all wrong when you compare it against available resources.

As for humans being a "cancer?" No [EXPLETIVE REDACTED] way. Humans are the end result of 4 billion years of evolution. We're the planet's apex species, the only one smart enough to overcome nature. We've reached the point where we can exploit the world's resources for the gain of our entire species, but we continue to fight amongst ourselves instead. It's ridiculous.

reply to post by Reaper2137


Ooh, you want me to do the maths for you, eh? Cool!

Let's dive in, shall we?





-Worldwide production of potatoes (Wikipedia as source) is 315,000,000,000 kg per year.

-We are about 7,000,000,000 humans on Earth (Source: Wiki).

-Divide our production of only these potatoes by the amount of people on Earth and you get 45 kg per person per year, INCLUDING ALL STARVING AFRICANS. Statistics shows that 33 kg per year per humans (that is, in developped countries) is the norm. (source: Wiki)





-We grow 784,000,000,000 kg of corn per years. Source: Wiki.

-We grow 651,000,000,000 kg of rice per year. Source: Wiki.

-We grow 607,000,000,000 kg of wheat per year. Source: Wiki.

-We are about 7,000,000,000 individual humans on Earth. Source: Wiki.

-Together the world produces 2,042,000,000,000 kg of gramineae (and that's only 3 of the gramineae family, we didn't included other plants like fruits and other vegetables yet).

-divide our production of only these 3 gramineaes by the amount of people on Earth. You get 291.7 kg per every single person on Earth per year. That's 0.799 kg of gramineae per day per person, INCLUDING EVERY SINGLE CURRENTLY STARVING INDIVIDUALS IN THE 3RD WORLD. How many of you seriously eat a kilogram of wheat/corn/rice per day? In addition to your potatoes?





-New York City is 17,400 square kilometers, and is home to 23,000,000 indivdual humans. Source: Wiki.

-There are 7,000,000,000 indivduals on Earth. Source: Wiki.

-All of mankind could fit into 304 copies of New York (about 1 or 2 New York City per countries), which together would cover only 5,295,652 square kilometers total. The total area of all continental surface of the Earth is 148,647,000 square kilometers (Source? You guessed it: Wikipedia). Do the ratio, and you get the following, which is...

-The whole of the population on Earth covers only 0.035 % of Earth's continental surface (or 0.010 % of Earth's total surface).






Sorry. I actually did the maths.

reply to post by Reaper2137


I just saw your post here

Over population is a problem on the horizon. We are just seeing the beginning, It will come, But I don't think we should just kill the people in 3rd world populations, a world lotto would be better, a cast iron, fully transparent lotto, that put the rich, poor and everyone in the middle in the same pool, with the same chance of winning.

It's the first time I meet a psychopath. "Kill the population in a lotto"? That's twisted. I don't know what movies you saw which made you encourage cold blood murder. What you proposed is downright monstrous. You're no better than Hitler at that point. You should be ashamed of yourself. I'm gonna give you a chance to explain yourself before I alert you to the mods.

You better have damn good explanations.

Originally posted by HelenConway
Being worried about the depletion of resources due to massive increase in the human population is the same as eugenics according to the doctrines of John Swan.

It is not. Inventing "scientific facts" to justify mass killing is.

Once again, I'll give you the link to the source (government):

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The articles contributed by Dr. G. C.L. Bertram and Dr.Robert C. Cook to the October 1963 number of THE EUGENICS REVIEW should stimulate consideration of what practical steps might be taken now, or in the immediate future, towards solving the twin problems of how to reduce the size and how to improve the quality of our population. In the following paragraphs of this leter a few suggestions are offered tentatively.
In the first place, the public must be persuaded, by means of the Press, radio and television that there is a real need to reduce our population, or at any rate to prevent its further growth.To bring this home it must be continually driven into people's minds that the various inconveni- ences and frustrations from which we suffer to-day-destruction of the country-side,over- crowded transport,road accidents,noise - all have their roots in overpopulation.

I think you people are misunderstanding the definition of Eugenics.

Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates practices to improve the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population. It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human hereditary traits through the promotion of higher reproduction of more desired people and traits, and reduced reproduction of less desired people and traits.

Now reducing the number of people on this planet to save on resources is NOT eugenics.

Originally posted by minor007

I think you people are misunderstanding the definition of Eugenics.

Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates practices to improve the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population. It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human hereditary traits through the promotion of higher reproduction of more desired people and traits, and reduced reproduction of less desired people and traits.

Now reducing the number of people on this planet to save on resources is NOT eugenics.

It is not?

According to Eugenics itself, reduction of global "overpopulation" is actually one of Eugenics goals in the first place.



en.wikipedia.org...

population reduction should be focused on what they judge to be undesirable sections of the population (see Eugenics).

www.prisonplanet.com...

Marie Stopes was a prominent campaigner for the implementation of eugenicspolicies. In Radiant Motherhood (1920) she called for the “sterilisation of those totally unfit for parenthood [to] be made an immediate possibility, indeed made compulsory.” That group, according to her, included non-whites and the poor.
Stopes, an anti-Semite Nazi sympathizer, campaigned for selective breeding to achieve racial purity, a passion she shared with Adolf Hitler in adoring letters and poems that she sent the leader of the Third Reich.

www.marketoracle.co.uk...

Microsoft founder and one of the world’s wealthiest men, Bill Gates, projects an image of a benign philanthropist using his billions via his (tax exempt) Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, to tackle diseases, solve food shortages in Africa and alleviate poverty. In a recent conference in California, Gates reveals a less public agenda of his philanthropy—population reduction, otherwise known as eugenics.

old.usccb.org...

Malthusianism, named for the early 19th century scientist Thomas Malthus, posited that having too many people in the world is the inevitable cause of many maladies, among them, hunger, starvation, disease, and war. The theory suggests that the population of the world grows exponentially while food production doesn't, with the inevitable result of massive starvation. Not thoroughly discredited until the advent of modern farming techniques in the 20th century, Malthusianism has provided the intellectual underpinnings of all the other iterations of population theory.

The next step in the movement came with the advent of eugenics, the theory that not all races are the same and that the "bad" races must die out to make room for the "good" ones.

www.cwfa.org...

Malthusian Eugenics
Introduction
Malthusian Eugenics
The Harlem Clinic
Birth Control as a Solution
Web of Deceit
“Better Health for 13,000,000”
“Scientific Racism”
Sanger's Legacy
Untangling the Deceptive Web
End Notes

Margaret Sanger aligned herself with the eugenicists whose ideology prevailed in the early 20th century. Eugenicists strongly espoused racial supremacy and “purity,” particularly of the “Aryan” race. Eugenicists hoped to purify the bloodlines and improve the race by encouraging the “fit” to reproduce and the “unfit” to restrict their reproduction. They sought to contain the “inferior” races through segregation, sterilization, birth control and abortion.

Sanger embraced Malthusian eugenics. Thomas Robert Malthus, a 19th-century cleric and professor of political economy, believed a population time bomb threatened the existence of the human race.2 He viewed social problems such as poverty, deprivation and hunger as evidence of this “population crisis.” According to writer George Grant, Malthus condemned charities and other forms of benevolence, because he believed they only exacerbated the problems. His answer was to restrict population growth of certain groups of people.3 His theories of population growth and economic stability became the basis for national and international social policy. Grant quotes from Malthus' magnum opus, An Essay on the Principle of Population, published in six editions from 1798 to 1826:

All children born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room is made for them by the deaths of grown persons. We should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality.4
Malthus' disciples believed if Western civilization were to survive, the physically unfit, the materially poor, the spiritually diseased, the racially inferior, and the mentally incompetent had to be suppressed and isolated—or even, perhaps, eliminated. His disciples felt the subtler and more “scientific” approaches of education, contraception, sterilization and abortion were more “practical and acceptable ways” to ease the pressures of the alleged overpopulation.5

www.crossroad.to...

Holdren's guru: Dispose of 'excess children' like puppies: "This is the third of a three-part series of articles exploring Obama administration science czar John P. Holdren's self-acknowledged intellectual debt to geochemist and early ecological alarmist Harrison Brown.... Holdren has echoed Brown's call for global government by advocating the United States should surrender sovereignty to a 'Planetary Regime' armed with sufficient military power to enforce population limits on nations as a means of preventing a wide range of perceived dangers from global eco-disasters....
"Brown even contemplates infanticide as a permissible solution to overpopulation

www.billmuehlenberg.com...

While arguments for overpopulation seemed to carry some weight back in the 1960s (recall Paul Ehrlich’s The Population Bomb), today the real problem is not a population explosion, but a population implosion. Rapidly falling fertility rates are becoming a major concern around the world, certainly in the West.

A number of recent books have documented this population implosion, including The Empty Cradle by Phillip Longman (2004); and Fewer: How the New Demography of Depopulation Will Shape Our Future by Ben Wattenberg (2004).

And concerns about supposed overpopulation have often resulted in many draconian and inhumane policies, such as forced abortions, sterilisations, and widespread eugenics policies. Jacqueline Kasun warned about this in her important 1988 book, The War against Population.

Much more recently population expert Stephen Mosher released a book tackling these very issues. Entitled Population Control: Real Costs, Illusory Benefit, it offers a sober warning about how population control zealots are using draconian methods and implementing eugenics policies in their push to curb human numbers.

saynsumthn.wordpress.com...

He said the network and its affiliates should stop “encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants.” Instead, he said, it should air “programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility.”

“NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis,” he wrote.

“I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so,” he wrote. “I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.”(...)James J. Lee, who was protesting what he said was the network’s promotion of overpopulation, was fatally shot by police after taking three people captive at the company headquarters in Maryland.

jelie1.wordpress.com...

Laura Briggs: Debating Reproduction.Birth Control, Eugenics, and Overpopulation in Puerto Rico, 1920-1940

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The articles contributed by Dr. G. C.L. Bertram and Dr.Robert C. Cook to the October 1963 number of THE EUGENICS REVIEW should stimulate consideration of what practical steps might be taken now, or in the immediate future, towards solving the twin problems of how to reduce the size and how to improve the quality of our population. In the following paragraphs of this leter a few suggestions are offered tentatively.
In the first place, the public must be persuaded, by means of the Press, radio and television that there is a real need to reduce our population, or at any rate to prevent its further growth.To bring this home it must be continually driven into people's minds that the various inconveni- ences and frustrations from which we suffer to-day-destruction of the country-side,over- crowded transport,road accidents,noise - all have their roots in overpopulation.

All these people you see here were all concerned with the myth of overpopulation. That's the solution they came up with: Eugenics.

Eugenics was then supported by Rockefeller on USA soil:

en.wikipedia.org...

Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics
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Freie Universitaet Berlin, once home of the KWI-A
The Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics (KWI-A) was founded in 1927, one of many institutes that were a part of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society. The Rockefeller Foundation supported both the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Psychiatry and the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity and Eugenics. The Rockefeller Foundation partially funded the actual building of the Institute and helped keep the Institute afloat during the Depression.
Contents [hide]
1 Important Personnel
1.1 Eugen Fischer
1.2 Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer
1.3 Karin Magnussen
1.4 Josef Mengele
1.5 Prosecution For War Crimes
2 Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and National Socialist Propaganda
3 See also
4 References
5 External links
Important Personnel [edit]

The Kaiser Wilhelm Society was composed of high-level representatives or liaisons with the German government, as well as industrialists and financiers. These also included people with political contacts (especially during the Third Reich, people who insured that National Socialist attitudes would prevail at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes.) Later on, during the Nuremberg War Criminal Trials, interlocking directorates expressing political, financial and governmental direction were discussed and are precisely what existed at the Kaiser Wilhelm Society. In terms of the actual work accomplished at the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes, the most important institute was the KWI-A. This was reflected in the fact that the KWI-A was the only institute with a "W" classification (Wehrwirtschaft; important for a wartime economy).[1] It was first directed by Eugen Fischer (1927-1942), then Otmar von Verschuer (1942-1945), until the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes were renamed Max Planck institutes.
Eugen Fischer [edit]
Anthropologist. First director of the KWI-A. Worked primarily in the area of race eugenics, an area of work that straddled both the Second Reich (in German South West Africa) and the Third Reich. His areas of specialization included Bastard studies (see Rhineland bastard), the name then in use for the offspring of mixed races. He coordinated his work with fellow International Federation of Eugenics Organizations member Charles Davenport. Even before Fischer formally became a Nazi in 1940, he devoted himself to directing various programs identified with the Nazi agenda, including twin study, sterilization, and euthanasia (Action T4). Prior to his retirement from the KWI-A in 1942, Fischer prepared the transition of leadership from himself to Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, the second Director of the KWI-A, partly through a shift in emphasis from twin study to phenogenetics. Fischer was a racial anti-Semite. He participated in the Final Solution (volkstod) to the Jewish Question when he attended the Frankfurt Institute for the Investigation of the Jewish Question on March 27–28, 1941.
Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer [edit]
Physician, Anthropologist. Joined the National Socialist Party in 1940. Became the second director of the KWI-A. Started at the KWI-A in 1927 (under Eugen Fischer, the first Director of the KWI-A), as the director of the KWI-A Department of Human Genetics; he subsequently became director of the KWI-A Division on Twin Research. In 1935 Verschuer continued to work at the KWI-A but shifted his primary attention to the Frankfurt Institute for Genetic Biology and Racial Hygiene ('Institut für Erbbiologie und Rassenhygiene'), leading the sterilization effort in the city of Frankfurt. Verschuer once again gave his primary attention to the KWI-A in 1942, when he succeeded Fischer as Director of the KWI-A. Verschauer worked primarily in the area of twin study, with a strong interest in racial hygiene as implemented via sterilization. He was responsible for implementing the transition from twin study to phenogenetics: an approach that emphasized what modern scientists would call developmental biology. Two of Verschuer's most well-known assistants were Karin Magnussen and Josef Mengele. Karin Magnussen studied eyes from living twins at Auschwitz harvested for her by Mengele at Auscwitz. Verschauer participated in the Final Solution ('volkstod') to the Jewish Question when he attended the Frankfurt Institute for the Investigation of the Jewish Question on March 27–28, 1941. At the close of the war, Verschuer hid or destroyed the records of KWI-A activities and other activities, at his family home.
Karin Magnussen [edit]
Biologist, teacher. Researcher at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics during Germany's Third Reich, known for her 1936 publication "Race and Population Policy Tools", and her studies of heterochromia iridis (different colored eyes) using iris specimens from Auschwitz concentration camp victims (supplied by her colleague, Joseph Mengele).
Josef Mengele [edit]
Physician, anthropologist. Closely associated with the KWI-A due to his relationship with Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer. Mengele earned doctorates in anthropology from Munich University and in medicine from Frankfurt University. Verschuer was Mengele's doctoral advisor at the Frankfurt Institute for Genetic Biology and Racial Hygiene; Mengele joined Verschuer's staff as a "promising young researcher" in 1937,[2] the same year he officially joined the Nazi party. When Verschuer became Director of the KWI-A in 1942, he continued his association with Mengele. A member of the Waffen-SS, Mengele performed human experiments on inmates at Auschwitz death camp, primarily on twins (mainly children). Mengele supplied Karin Magnussen with iris specimens from Auschwitz concentration camp victims, for her studies of heterochromia iridis (different colored eyes). Mengele was the only one of the Nazi anthropologists who was prosecuted before an international court because his crimes were so obvious. He was sentenced in absentia, for he had escaped to South America.
Prosecution For War Crimes [edit]
Fischer, Verschuer, Magnussen and many others involved in medical anthropology during the Third Reich were never prosecuted as war criminals, though it was recommended several times, because it was feared that the German public would utterly lose confidence in both German science and the German medical establishment; thus, the political transition after World War II, into the Cold War, would not be disrupted. Although some of the preceding views may seem controversial, there is ample written documentation to substantiate these views. A more complete historical record continues to be impeded by the limited access provided to the public of further documentation. See Research Materials: Max Planck Society Archive.
Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and National Socialist Propaganda [edit]

Anthropobiology was used to support stereotyped views of Gypsies, Jews, Blacks, the mentally ill, and physically handicapped people. Anthropobiology utilized anthropometry: the measurement and recording of "metrics" (different physical or mental factors) which could then be used to classify people by race or value. To create reproducible anthropometric results, Hermann Werner Siemens developed a technique called "polysymptomatic similarity diagnosis ". This was initially associated with twin research, as such measurements would only be of value if they were understood to be inheritable and independent of the environment.
Stellae of characteristics measured by anthropometry were grouped into distinct stereotypes. For example, "Jews" had a particular type of nose; "Blacks" had kinky hair; "Gypsies" were always criminals; etc. However, the work done at the KWI-A used as criteria to identify races, such as:
hair color and shape
skin color
color of lanugo hairs
eye color
freckles
telangiesctasia
cornification in hair follicles
tongue creases
blood group
skulls (shape, capacity)
facial characteristics
shape of the ear
form of the hand
dactyloscopy (handprints, fingerprints)
body type
spine vertebrae types
Human race crossings
Human internal organs:
shape (heart)
stomach function
taste sensations
anterior pituitary hormone
menarche and climate
hardness of soft tissues
These stereotypes were primarily used to create propaganda support for the Lebensborn program; the sterilization program; the euthanasia program; genocide at concentration camps; deportations; and medical experimentation done by other programs such as the Waffen-SS (low pressure experiments, hyper- and hypothermia experiments, etc.). For details, see the Doctors' Trial, also known as the Nuremberg Medical Trial.

And then, this very same Rockefeller founded the CFR, with its list of members:

en.wikipedia.org...

The Board of Directors of the Council on Foreign Relations is composed in total of thirty-six officers. Peter G. Peterson and David Rockefeller are Directors Emeriti (Chairman Emeritus and Honorary Chairman, respectively). It also has an International Advisory Board consisting of thirty-five distinguished individuals from across the world.[3][4]
Office Name
Co-Chairman of the Board Carla A. Hills
Co-Chairman of the Board Robert E. Rubin
Vice Chairman Richard E. Salomon
President Richard N. Haass
Board of Directors
John Abizaid former Commander, CENTCOM
Peter Ackerman founder, International Center on Nonviolent Conflict
Fouad Ajami professor in Middle East Studies, Johns Hopkins
Madeleine K. Albright former Secretary of State
Henry S. Bienen former president, Northwestern University.
Alan Blinder economics professor, Princeton
Mary Boies managing partner, Boies & McInnis
David G. Bradley chairman, Atlantic Media Company
Tom Brokaw former editor, NBC Nightly News
Sylvia Mathews Burwell Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Kenneth M. Duberstein former White House Chief of Staff
Martin Feldstein economics professor, Harvard
Stephen Friedman former chairman, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Ann M. Fudge former CEO, Young & Rubicam
Pamela Gann president, Claremont McKenna College
J. Tomilson Hill vice chairman, The Blackstone Group
Donna Hrinak former U.S. diplomat
Alberto Ibargüen John S. and James L. Knight Foundation
Shirley Jackson president, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Henry R. Kravis co-founder, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Jami Miscik former Deputy Director for Intelligence
Joseph S. Nye, Jr. Kennedy School of Government
James W. Owens chairman, Caterpillar Inc.
Peter G. Peterson chairman, Peter G. Peterson Foundation
Colin L. Powell former Secretary of State
Penny Pritzker CEO, Pritzker Realty
David M. Rubenstein co-founder, The Carlyle Group,
George Erik Rupp president, International Rescue Committee
Frederick W. Smith CEO, FedEX
Joan E. Spero former ambassador
Vin Weber CEO, Clark & Weinstock
Christine Todd Whitman former Governor of New Jersey
Fareed Zakaria editor-At-Large, Time
Some corporate members [edit]

Some of the corporate members follow, most of which are on the Fortune 500 list.
ABC News
Alcoa
American Express
AIG
Bank of America
Bloomberg
Boeing
BP
Chevron
Citigroup
Coca Cola
De Beers
Deutsche Bank
ExxonMobil
FedEx
Ford Motor
General Electric
GlaxoSmithKline
Google
Goldman Sachs
Halliburton
Heinz
Hess
IBM
JP Morgan Chase
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Lehman Brothers
Lockheed Martin
MasterCard
McGraw–Hill
McKinsey
Merck
Merrill Lynch
Motorola
Nasdaq
News Corp
Nike
Pepsi
Pfizer
Shell Oil
Sony Corporation of America
Tata Group
Time Warner
Total S.A.
Toyota Motor North America
UBS
United Technologies
United States Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Trust Corporation
Verizon
Visa [5]
Notable current council members [edit]

Roger Ailes (Chairman and CEO of Fox News)
Madeleine Albright (64th United States Secretary of State, 20th United States Ambassador to the United Nations under Bill Clinton)
Lamar Alexander (45th Governor of Tennessee, United States Republican Senator, 5th United States Secretary of Education under George H.W. Bush)
Eliot Abrams (international lawyer, former state department official under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush)
Morton I. Abramowitz (diplomat)
John Abizaid (U.S Army General, former head of CENTCOM)
Michael F. Adams (President of University of Georgia)
John B. Anderson (former Republican/Independent congressman from Illinois)
Anthony Clark Arend (international lawyer, and academic)
Fouad Ajami (academic, middle east analyst)
Howard Baker (13th Senate Majority Leader of the United States Senate, 12th White House Chief of Staff under Ronald Reagan, husband of Nancy Kassebaum Baker)
James Baker (61st Secretary of State of the United States under Bush-41, and 67th Secretary of the Treasury of the United States under Ronald Reagan, 10th & 16th White House chief of staff to President's Reagan and George H.W. Bush)
Thurbert Baker (former Democratic Party attorney-general of the state of Georgia)
Michael D. Barnes (former United States Democratic congressman from Maryland, and president of the Brady Campaign)
Charlene Barshefsky (former United States Trade Representative)
Evan Bayh (former Democratic U.S senator and 46th Governor from Indiana)
Peter Bergen (journalist, national security analyst for CNN)
Joe Biden (47th Vice-President of the United States)
Josh Bolten (22nd White House chief-of-staff under George W. Bush)
Rudy Boschwitz (former Republican United States Senator from Minnesota)
Sandy Berger (19th United States National Security Advisor under President Bill Clinton)
Warren Beatty (actor, film producer, director)
Jeffrey Bewkes (president of Time Warner)
Stephen Biddle (theorist setting U.S. counter-insurgency policy)
Michael R. Bloomberg (108th Mayor of New York City, founder of Bloomberg L.P.)
Max Boot (military historian, and foreign policy expert)
Bill Bradley (former Democratic senator from New Jersey, NBA hall of fame basketball player)
Ian Bremmer (Eurasia Group founder and president)
Lael Brainard [Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, wife of Kurt M. Campbell]
Bill Brock (50th chairman of the Republican Party, 8th U.S. trade ambassador and 18th United States Secretary of Labor under Ronald Reagan, former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee)
Dan Burton (former republican party United States congressman from Indiana)
Erin Burnett (journalist, CNN anchor)
George H.W. Bush (41st President of the United States)
Tom Brokaw (NBC journalist)
Howard Berman (Democratic Party United States Congressman from California)
Peter Beinart (academic, columnist)
Richard Branson (founder of Virgin Group)
L. Paul Bremer (diplomat)
Edgar Bronfman, Sr. (a member of the Bronfman dynasty, president of the World Jewish Congress)
Ethan Bronner (deputy foreign editor of The New York Times)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (10th United States National Security Advisor under President Jimmy Carter)
Stephen Gerald Breyer (United States Supreme Court justice)
Jonathan S. Bush (healthcare CEO, son of Jonathan Bush, brother of NBC entertainment reporter Billy Bush)
Sanford Bishop (Democratic Party United States congressman from Georgia)
David Boren (former Democrat U.S. senator from Oklahoma and president of the University of Oklahoma)
Kurt M. Campbell [Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, husband of Lael Brainard]
Jimmy Carter (39th President of the United States)
Frank Carlucci (16th Secretary of Defense and 15th U.S. national security adviser under Ronald Reagan, 13th deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency under Jimmy Carter)
Dick Cheney (46th Vice-President of the United States)
Juju Chang (journalist, reporter for ABC News)
Bill Clinton (42nd President of the United States)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (former first lady of the United States, 67th United States Secretary of State under Barack Obama)
Henry Cisneros (10th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Bill Clinton)
Mario Cuomo (Democratic politician, 52nd Governor of New York)
Michael Crow (president of Arizona State University)
Katie Couric (former CBS and NBC journalist, talk show host)
Stephen F. Cohen (professor of Russian studies at NYU, husband of Katrina vanden Heuvel)
Edward F. Cox (international attorney, chairman of the New York Republican party, son-in-law of Richard Nixon)
William M. Daley (24th White House chief of staff under Obama, 32nd secretary of commerce under Bill Clinton)
Kathryn Wasserman Davis [American philanthropist]
Kenneth Duberstein (13th chief of staff under Ronald Reagan)
Peggy Dulany (fourth child of David Rockefeller)
Joseph Duffey (academic, educator)
Chris Dodd (Former United States Senator from Connecticut)
Thomas R. Donahue [former Secretary-Treasurer of the AFL-CIO]
William H. Donaldson (former chairman of the United States Securities and Exchange Commission)
Michael Dukakis (65th and 67th governor of Massachusetts, 1988 Democratic Party nominee for the Presidency)
Mervyn M. Dymally (former Democratic congressman from California)
James S. Doyle (journalist & activist)
John Edwards (former Democratic U.S. senator from North Carolina, 2004 Democratic Vice-Presidential nominee)
Karl Eikenberry (United States Army General, former ambassador to Afghanistan)
Ari Emanuel (head of Endeavor Agency)
Luigi R. Einaudi [former secretary-general of the Organization of American States]
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr. (former vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Noah Feldman (academic and author)
Dianne Feinstein (United States Democratic Party Senator from California)
Bernard T. Ferrari (dean, Johns Hopkins University Carey Business School)
Donald M. Fraser (former Democratic United States congressman from Minnesota)
Bill Frist (Republican politician, former United States Senate Majority Leader of the United States Senate)
Mikhail Fridman (Russian oligarch, International Advisory Board member)
Thomas Friedman (columnist for The New York Times)
Martin Feldstein (economist, Harvard professor)
Tom Foley (57th speaker of the United States House of Representatives)
Francis Fukuyama (political scientist, for state department official)
Pamela Gann (President of Claremont McKenna College, former dean of Duke University School of Law).
Robert M. Gates (22nd United States Secretary of Defense under Bush & Obama, 15th Director of Central Intelligence under George H.W. Bush)
Robert P. George (Academic, professor at Princeton University, theologian, philosopher)
David Geffen (president of Universal Music Group)
Leslie Gelb (former journalist for the New York Times)
Dick Gephardt (22nd Majority Leader of the United States House of Representatives)
Sam Gejdenson (former Democratic Party United States Congressman from Connecticut)
Alan Greenspan (13th Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Maurice R. Greenberg (former chairman and CEO of AIG)
Bob Graham (Democratic Party 38th governor of Florida and United States Senator)
Janet G. Mullins Grissom (Republican lobbyist,former state department official)
David Gergen (advisor to Richard Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton, commentator for CNN)
Peter C. Goldmark, Jr. (former CEO of New York Port Authority, president of Rockefeller Foundation, publisher of International Herald Tribune)
Mikhail Gorbachev (former President of the USSR)
Roy M. Goodman (former Republican member of the New York State Senate)
Newt Gingrich (58th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg (United States Supreme Court justice)
Brian Grazer (producer and co-founder of Imagine Entertainment)
Tenzin Gyatso (14th Dalai Lama)
Richard N. Haass (former State Department official)
David A. Harris (director of the American Jewish Committee (AJC))
Lee H. Hamilton (former United States Democratic congressman from Indiana)
Michael Hayden (United States Air Force general, 15th director of the National Security Agency under Bill Clinton, and 20th director of the CIA under George W. Bush)
Gary Hart (former Democratic U.S. Senator from Colorado, Council for a Livable World chairman, advisory board member for the Partnership for a Secure America)
Heather Higgins (women's advocate, chairman of the Independent Women's Forum, president of the Randolph Foundation)
Chris Heinz (heir to the H. J. Heinz Company ketchup fortune)
Carla Anderson Hills (5th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Gerald Ford, 10th United States Trade Representative to George H.W. Bush)
Deane R. Hinton [former diplomat]
Kim Holmes (foreign policy and defense expert)
Douglas Holtz-Eakin (economist)
Auren Hoffman (investor/entrepreneur)
Warren Hoge (American journalist, formerly of the New York Times)
Malcolm Hoenlein (vice-chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations)
Katrina vanden Heuvel (editor of The Nation, wife of Stephen F. Cohen, daughter of William vanden Heuvell]
William vanden Heuvel (diplomat and international lawyer, father of Katrina vanden Heuvell)
Jimmy Iovine (chairman of Interscope-Geffen-A&M)
Frederick Iseman (businessman, inventor)
Angelina Jolie (actress, UN Goodwill Ambassador)[6]
Vernon Jordan (advisor to President Bill Clinton)
Nancy Johnson (former Republican United States congresswoman from Connecticut)
Woody Johnson (investor, owner of the New York Jets, heir to Johnson & Johnson)
Sheila Johnson (businesswoman, president of the Washington Mystics)
Walter H. Kansteiner, III (American diplomat)
Peter J. Katzenstein (political scientist, academic)
Robert Kagan (cofounded Project for the New American Century)
Nancy Kassebaum (former Republican Senator from Kansas, daughter of Alf Landon, and wife of Howard Baker)
Thomas Kean, Sr. (Republican politician, 48th Governor of New Jersey)
John Kerry (United States Senator of Massachusetts, 2004 Democratic Party nominee for the Presidency)
Vanessa Kerry (doctor of medicine, liberal activist, daughter of John Kerry)
Henry Kissinger (8th National Security Advisor under Richard Nixon and 56th United States Secretary of State under President's Nixon and Ford)
Joe Klein (Time Magazine columnist)
Richard Kogan (former CEO of Schering-Plough from 1996 to 2003, board member of Colgate-Palmolive and The Bank of New York Mellon)
Paul R. Krugman (economist, columnist for the New York Times)
Anil Kumar (businessman, former senior partner at McKinsey)
Charles Krauthammer (columnist for the Washington Post and political commentator at Fox News)
Zalmay Khalilzad (26th ambassador to the United Nations under George W. Bush)
Philip Lader (diplomat, chairman of WPP Group)
Richard W. Lariviere (Scholar, President of the University of Oregon)
Jim Leach (former Republican United States congressman from Iowa, chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities under Obama)
John Robert Lewis (Democratic United States congressman from the state of Georgia, famed civil-rights leader)
Jim Lehrer (journalist, former anchor for PBS)
Joe Lieberman (former United States Independent Senator from Connecticut)
Lewis Libby (attorney, former chief-of-staff to Vice-President Dick Cheney)
Herbert London [academic, conservative activist, former dean of Gallatin School of Individualized Study]
Nigel Lythgoe (television producer)
Fred Malek (businessman, former President of Marriott Hotels and Northwest Airlines)
David Malpass (economist, Republican Party politician)
John McCain (United States Republican Senator from Arizona, 2008 Republican Party nominee for the Presidency)
Bud McFarlane (13th national security advisor to Ronald Reagan)
William Green Miller (United States Ambassador to Ukraine under Bill Clinton)
George J. Mitchell (17th Senate Majority Leader of the United States Senate]
Walter Mondale (42nd Vice-President of the United States)
Robert Mosbacher, Jr. (businessman, son of Robert Mosbacher)
Les Moonves (President and Chief Executive Officer of CBS)
Bill Moyers (former press-secretary to Lyndon Johnson, public commentator for PBS)
Langhorne A. Motley [former diplomat] and state department official]
David Mulford (former United States Ambassador to India and current Vice-Chairman International of Credit Suisse)
Rupert Murdoch (founder/chairman/CEO of News Corp and Fox News)
Heather Nauert (journalist and anchor for Fox News)
Janet Napolitano (3rd United States Secretary of Homeland Security under Obama, 21st Governor of Arizona)
John D. Negroponte (former United States Deputy Secretary of State and former Director of National Intelligence under George W. Bush)
Joseph Nye (academic)
Sandra Day O'Connor (former United States Supreme Court justice)
Stan O'Neal (former Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Merrill Lynch)
George Pataki (Republican politician, 53rd Governor of New York)
Henry Paulson (74th United States Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush)
Robert Pastor (national security adviser, son-in-law to Robert McNamara)
David Petraeus (United States Army General, former head of CENTCOM, 22nd director of the CIA)
Peter G. Peterson (20th United States Secretary of Commerce under Nixon)
Steve Pieczenik (former state department official, 911 conspiracy theorist)
Kitty Pilgrim (journalist and anchor on CNN)
Richard Pipes (academic, father of founder/director of Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes)
Daniel Pipes (academic, writer, historian, son of Richard Pipes)
Norman Podhoretz (former editor-in-chief of "Commentary", senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, Project for the New American Century (PNAC) signatory)
Steve Poizner (California businessman and Republican politician)
Roman Popadiuk (former United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Executive Director of the George Bush Presidential Library Foundation)
Colin Powell (65th United States Secretary of State under Bush-43, 16th National Security Advisor under Reagan, 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush-41)
Tom Petri (Republican United States congressman from Wisconsin)
Priscilla Presley (actress and former chairwoman of the board of Elvis Presley Enterprises)
Charles Prince (former chief executive officer of Citigroup)
Jennifer Raab [President of Hunter College]
Janet Reno (78th United States Attorney General under Clinton)
Condoleezza Rice (66th United States Secretary of State under Bush-43)
Dan Rather (journalist, formerly anchor at CBS)
Charles Rangel (United States Democratic Congressman from New York City)
Alice Rivlin (economist, former U.S. cabinet member)
David Rockefeller, Jr.
John D. Rockefeller, IV (United States Democratic Party Senator of West Virginia, 29th Governor of West Virginia)
Charlie Rose (PBS journalist and The Early Show anchor)
Liz Rosenberg (novelist, poet, columnist for The Boston Globe)
Chuck Robb (64th Governor of Virginia, former Democratic Party U.S. Senator from Virginia, son-in-law of Lyndon B. Johnson)
Edward Regan (former state comptroller of New york)
Robert Rubin (70th Secretary of the Treasury under Bill Clinton)
Haim Saban (founder of Saban Capital Group)
Jeffrey D. Sachs (American economist)
Diane Sawyer (ABC News journalist)
Stephen M. Schwebel (jurist, former judge on the International Court of Justice)
Michael Shifter (academic, president of the Inter-American Dialogue)
Dan Senor (former foreign policy advisor to George W. Bush, former Fox News foreign policy analyst)
Amity Shlaes (Bloomberg News columnist, and historian)
Timothy Shriver (chairman & CEO of the Special Olympics)
David Stern (commissioner of the NBA)
John Spratt (former Democratic United States congressman from South Carolina)
Karenna Gore Schiff (daughter of Al Gore)
Olympia J. Snowe (Republican United States Senator from Maine)
Brent Scowcroft (9th & 17th United States National Security Advisor under Presidents Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush)
George Shultz (60th United States Secretary of State under Reagan, 62nd United States Secretary of the Treasury and 11th United States Secretary of Labor under Richard Nixon]
Frederick W. Smith (CEO and founder of FedEx)
Andrew Ross Sorkin (business journalist for New York Times and CNBC)
Walter B. Slocombe (former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy)
George Soros (currency speculator, investor, businessman)
Lesley Stahl (CBS News journalist)
Donna Shalala (18th United States Secretary of Health and Human Services under Bill Clinton, President of the University of Miami)
Eduard Shevardnadze (2nd President of Georgia)
Eric Shinseki (7th United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs under Obama, 34th Chief of Staff of the United States Army under Clinton & Bush)
Adlai Stevenson III (former Democratic United States Senator from Illinois, son of Adlai Stevenson II)
George Stephanopoulos (former White House press-secretary under Bill Clinton, Good Morning America anchor, This Week with George Stephanopoulos host)
Laurence H. Silberman (United States federal judge)
Robert Silvers (editor of New York Review of Books)
Stansfield Turner (United States Navy Admiral, 12th director of the CIA under Jimmy Carter)
Doug Turner (Republican party operative/Politician, public relations operative)
Richard Thornburgh (76th Attorney-General of the United States of America under Reagan & Bush, 76th Governor of Pennsylvania)
John L. Thornton (chairman of Brookings Institution, academic, former president of Goldman Sachs]
Fred Thompson (attorney, actor, radio talk-show host, former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee,)
Shirley Temple (actress, diplomat)
Frances Townsend [former United States Homeland Security Advisor]
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (Former Democratic Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, member of the Kennedy family)
Tom Vilsack (30th United States Secretary of Agriculture under Obama, 40th Governor of Iowa)
Paul Volcker (12th Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Rick Warren (American Christian leader, Senior Pastor of the Saddleback Church)
Peter J. Wallison (20th White House Counsel to Ronald Reagan, former lawyer to Nelson Rockefeller)
Barbara Walters (ABC News journalist)
Vin Weber (former United States Republican Congressman from Minnesota)
Steven Weinberg (American physicist)
Juleanna Glover Weiss [American lobbyist]
John C. Whitehead (chairman of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, former United States Deputy Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former Goldman Sachs chairman)
Christine Todd Whitman (50th Governor of New Jersey, 9th administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency under George W. Bush)
Shirley Williams, Baroness Williams of Crosby (British member of parliament, International Advisory Board member)
Richard S. Williamson (diplomat, lawyer, former chairman of the Republican Party of Illinois)
Oprah Winfrey (media mogul, actress, founder of Harpo Inc.)
James D. Wolfensohn (former president of the World Bank)
Paul Wolfowitz (10th President of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense under Bush-43)
James Woolsey (16th Director of Central Intelligence under Bill Clinton)
Dov S. Zakheim (academic and Department of Defense official under Reagan and George W. Bush)
Paula Zahn (journalist, former anchor at Fox News and CNN)
James Zogby (academic, political commentator and pollster)
Robert Zoellick (11th President of the World Bank)
Notable historical members [edit]
Kenneth Bacon (American journalist)
Conrad Black (International Advisory Board member)
Tom Braden (former CIA agent and liberal journalist)
George Wildman Ball (American diplomat)
Spruille Braden (American diplomat, businessman)
McGeorge Bundy (National Security advisor for Presidents John F. Kennedy & Lyndon B. Johnson)
William Bundy (Central Intelligence Agency agent, historian)
William F. Buckley, Jr (commentator, publisher, founder of the National Review)
Jonathan Bingham (Democratic congressman from New York, diplomat)
Paul Cravath (lawyer, one of the founders of the Council on Foreign Relations)
Monica Crowley (former Richard Nixon aide, radio host, and columnist)
John Chafee (former Secretary of the Navy, and Republican senator from Rhode Island)
Warren Christopher (former United States Secretary of State)
Thomas E. Dewey (47th governor of New York, former Republican nominee for President in 1944 and 1948)
Michael Raoul Duval (attorney for Richard Nixon & Gerald Ford)
C. Douglas Dillon (57th Secretary of the Treasury of the United States under John F. Kennedy & Lyndon Johnson, under-secretary of state under Dwight D. Eisenhower)
Allen Dulles (former Director of the CIA)
John Foster Dulles (52nd Secretary of State of the United States under Ike Eisenhower)
Lawrence Eagleburger (former United States Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush)
Jeffrey E. Epstein (financier)[7]
Rowland Evans [journalist]
John Exter [economist]
Gerald Ford (38th President of the United States of America)
Geraldine Ferraro (former Democratic New York congresswoman, first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984)
Alexander Haig (United States Army General, 59th Secretary of State of the United States under Ronald Reagan)
Sidney Harman (businessman, owner of Newsweek)
Armand Hammer (businessman, investor)
W. Averell Harriman (48th Governor of New York, diplomat, 11th United States Secretary of Commerce under Harry S Truman)
H. John Heinz III (former Republican United States Senator from Pennsylvania)
Richard Holbrooke [diplomat, investment banker, 22nd United States UN Ambassador]
Herbert Hoover (31st President of the United States)
Henry Hyde (former Republican congressman from Illinois)
Sergei Karaganov (International Advisory Board member)
Irving Kristol (journalist, writer, dubbed "The godfather of neoconservatism, father of Bill Kristol)
Jack Kemp (Hall of Fame quarterback, Republican congressman from New York, 9th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Bush-41, 1996 Republican Vice-Presidential nominee)
George Kennan (diplomat, historian)
Jeane Kirkpatrick (diplomat, 16th United States Ambassador to the United Nations)
Ivy Lee (founding father of public relations)
Robert A. Lovett (4th Secretary of Defense of the United States under Truman)
Robert Matsui (former Democratic Party congressman from California)
John J. McCloy (lawyer, banker)
Charles Peter McColough (businessman)
George McGovern (former Democratic senator from South Dakota, 1972 Democratic Party nominee for President)
Robert McNamara (8th Secretary of Defense under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, 5th President of the World Bank)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan (diplomat, former Democratic Senator from New York)
Edmund Muskie (58th Secretary of State of the United States)
Richard M. Nixon (37th President of the United States)
Paul Nitze (Secretary of the Navy under Lyndon Johnson)
Nelson Rockefeller (41st Vice-President of the United States, and Governor of New York)
John D. Rockefeller 3rd
Felix Rohatyn (investment banker)
Mark B. Rosenberg (President of Florida International University)
Eugene Rostow (former dean of Yale law, legal scholar)
Walt Rostow (7th National Security advisor to Lyndon Johnson)
Dean Rusk (54th Secretary of State of the United States under Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson)
Abraham A. Ribicoff (former Democratic United States Senator from Connecticut)
William V. Roth, Jr. (former Republican United States Senator of Delaware).
Carl Sagan (American scientist)
Arthur Schlesinger (historian, academic)
Raymond P. Shafer (former Republican governor of Pennsylvania)
Tony Snow (former press secretary to George W. Bush, journalist, radio talk-show host)
Ron Silver (actor, director, producer, co-founded One Jerusalem)
Strobe Talbott (diplomat, chairman of Brookings Institution, journalist)
Cyrus Vance (57th Secretary of State of the United States under Jimmy Carter)
Vernon A. Walters (United States Army General, 17th U.S. ambassador of the U.N.)
John Wheeler III (Vietnam veteran, military consultant, presidential aide; found murdered on Dec. 31, 2010)
Paul Warburg (banker)
Caspar Weinberger (15th Secretary of Defense for the United States under Ronald Reagan)
Albert Wohlstetter
Roberta Wohlstetter
List of Chairmen [edit]
Russell Cornell Leffingwell 1946–53
John J. McCloy 1953–70
David Rockefeller 1970–85
Peter G. Peterson 1985–2007
Carla A. Hills (co-chairman) 2007–
Robert E. Rubin (co-chairman) 2007–
List of presidents [edit]
John W. Davis 1921–33
George W. Wickersham 1933–36
Norman H. Davis 1936–44
Russell Cornell Leffingwell 1944–46
Allen Welsh Dulles 1946–50
Henry Merritt Wriston 1951–64
Grayson L. Kirk 1964–71
Bayless Manning 1971–77
Winston Lord 1977–85
John Temple Swing 1985–86 (Pro tempore)
Peter Tarnoff 1986–93
Alton Frye 1993
Leslie Gelb 1993–2003
Richard N. Haass 2003–

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For one China has been trying to reduce its population for decades now and thats is not eugenics. It becomes eugenics when you favour traits over others. It goes like this, only fertiilise human eggs that have an high IQ discard those eggs or babies that dont fit the bill. Thats Eugenics in a nutshell