Have we just witnessed the first shot in World War III?

reply to post by xmaddness
Might very well be, If and a big If Syria response's to the Attack and strikes back,or if Iran strikes Israel.

Then the US would have to step in. Thus the mid east would become the steeping stone for all to come play. You are right the Stage is set the players have been given the script Act one scene one has been read, and played out,

That was the US saying no scene 2 UK sending in weapons and Aid where the US did not, and Scene 3,Israel making the Air or Missie strikes, depending on what news you read or reports you go by, this ends Act one.
Act 2 is of by all means ab-lvi, there is no script of Act 2 scene one,it is all off the cuff words and actions, for no one knows how the next act will play out. scene 2 of act 2 does have a script but depends on how scene one is played.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Hopechest

 

Ha ha. What did you do a quick google?? You are not that bright. Ever read this book:

Screw it the image, I cant place here. The book is called The Grand Chessboard.

Well I have and he lays out the whole central asia, caspian basin strategy.

This guy is CFR and highly respected in terms of geo-political strategy, He us a neocon in his own right, He is an academic.

He is a player and confidant:

Zbigniew Brzezinski is a CSIS counselor and trustee and cochairs the CSIS Advisory Board. He is also a senior research professor of international relations at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, in Washington, D.C. He is cochair of the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus and a member of the International Advisory Board of the Atlantic Council.

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This is the man who was the chief creater of the hostage rescue mission, against advice that it wouldn't work, and pushed Carter for the go ahead. After the failed attempt we were left extremely weak in the region because Brzezinski failed to see how these policy rules he was helping form were harming our international appearance.

First he started off advising the US to take a timid, reactionary role which led to our hostages being taken and then after his failed plan he pushed Carter in the opposite direction to a very aggressive role in the ME. Its why Carter's foreign policy is considered very unsure with no clear goals.

This was all Brzeziski's doing.

reply to post by Skerrako


You are right. It is just the same subject we discussed all night long. This one just has a WWIII twist.

Carry on.

I am surprised op hasnt received more s&f with more pages of comments. Perhaps much of the world will do nothing and look at each other to see if anyone else will make the next move. Lets be honest, if any nation declares war on israel, do u think no other nation will respond agaInst israel? Half of the posters on ats hate israel; enemy of my enemy... I fear dark stormclouds ahead. Not certain about ww3, but the middle east will once again b the top story for many wks or months to come. How many children will suffer for this? The depravity of man

reply to post by Lawgiver


The world is simply too globalized now for there ever to be another world war. What happens in one country has ripple effects through all the worlds economies. In order for there to be a war somebody will need to be extremely desperate.

Like suppose China gets cut off from oil and they invade Siberia hoping to grab up the oil fields before they nukes rain down on them. You can already see why this is highly unlikely but that's the kind of situation needed to draw everyone into a battle.

I really see no scenario where we could possibly have a world war again.

reply to post by Hopechest


Here are his bona fides:

Zbigniew Brzezinski's Background


According to his resume, Zbigniew Brzezinski lists the following achievements:


Harvard Ph.D. in 1953

Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies

Professor of American Foreign Policy, Johns Hopkins University

National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter (1977-81)

Trustee and founder of the Trilateral Commission

International advisor of several major US/Global corporations

Associate of Henry Kissinger

Under Ronald Reagan - member of NSC-Defense Department Commission on Integrated Long-Term Strategy

Under Ronald Reagan - member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board

Past member, Board of Directors, The Council on Foreign Relations

1988 - Co-chairman of the Bush National Security Advisory Task Force.

Zbigniew Brzezinski is also a past attendee and presenter at conferences of the Bilderberg Group - a non-partisan affiliation of the wealthiest, most powerful families and corporations on the planet.

He wrote the freakin book about the importance of the region and the key to having it all was to control it.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Having lots of titles does not make you correct you know.

When he was advising Kissinger he was an advocate of Realpolitik then switched to liberal internationalism under Carter. He has no clue about what direction he wants to go in and often changes his complete ideology. Currently he has moved even further to the left by criticizing the US for not working enough with other countries to settle international disputes.

This is completely opposite his earlier views. First he was pro-reaction then when it failed under Carter he switched to a more aggressive foreign policy stance which he has since changed into one of cooperation. He's flippity which is why he is not credible no matter how many job titles he has.

reply to post by Hopechest


You are so ignorant. Ever heard of the October Surprise. Google is your friend, I know it is.

I haven't seen any proof that Israel did this. Saying that is as likely as me saying that an American special forces team fast roped in from choppers and set charges to start a fire in the ammo dump.

The reports I hear of "Israeli", "rockets", "research", "Hezbollah"... whatever. Nada except some night time footage that begins part way into whatever action is taking place there. Fires are seen burning the brush all around so some time has elapsed before we are allowed to see the big explosion.

Its the next day and after all the conjecture on ATS, I am still not believing whatever the MSM and all her parrots on here are spouting.

Syria is under attack. An ammo dump went up last night. Big explosion. Lots of big explosions in Syria of late. If Israel wants to take credit for helping bring down the state of Syria, then that has got to be some kind of clue...

reply to post by bekod


Well, you do not have to be a rocket scientist to know that Iran/Syria hell all the middle east hates Israel, Also Russia, supports the Syrian regime, also that North Korea, hates South Korea, USA, etc. North Korea, and Syria, and also even Iran, are not in good positions at the moment, and blame USA Israel etc. etc.

so yea I do not have the time to watch this story unfold page by page, but it does not take rocket science to understand the how and why people will start killing each other over this stuff, With Israel declaring war on Syria, with bombs and all the threats and bullcrap coming out of North Korea, and looking at all the Chinese, Russian and also American Posturing, you can or I can see a common denominator developing.. The million dollar question is when this is going to go down, I think it will be a calculated attack from the Asian theater, and the Asia Minor theater it could be an attack made simultaneously lets not forget how WW2 started folks how America got drug into that war was when we got attacked got sneak attacked their was no declaration of war it was a surprise attack. The few times America has been attacked it has been sneak attacks btw 1812 etc. I am sure it could be debated etc.

My point is there is a good chance it will be a sneak attack against America etc, and a attack that in some way will be/or try to be a crippling blow.. Like the pearl harbor attack etc. etc.

My reply to your comments has nothing to do with you personally I am just expanding on your thoughts with mine..

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Hopechest

 

You are so ignorant. Ever heard of the October Surprise. Google is your friend, I know it is.

What does that have to do with Brzesniski? Are you implying he had a hand in it?

Doubtful because that is pure Kissinger's work who was himself very incorrect on many things but was brilliant.

reply to post by Hopechest


He wasn't advising Kissinger. Kissinger was freaking Secretary of State. And a war criminal, I might add.

The man is an academic. He is a policy guy. Pencil pusher, if you will.

Read the freaking book. It will tell you all you need to know.

Who am I kidding you won't read the book. You'll just google and make a post about some obscure event without ever dealing with the issue. Cuz you don't know. You want to act like you know but you make stupid statements that give you up.

reply to post by Hopechest


From Wiki:

The dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 once again created a situation of political vacuum in Central Asia. The resultant authoritarian but weak former Soviet satellite republics were still considered part of Russia's sphere of influence, but now Russia was only one among many competitors for influence in the new Central Asian states. By 1996, Mongolia would also assert its independence from Russia's influence. Further, the North Caucasus Russian republic Chechnya would claim independence, leading to the First and Second Chechen Wars with Russia winning the latter.
Geostrategist and former United States National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski analyzed Central Asia in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard, terming the post-Soviet region the "Black Hole" and post-Soviet Central Asia (the Caucasus, former SSRs, and Afghanistan) in particular the "Eurasian Balkans." The area is an ethnic cauldron, prone to instability and conflicts, without a sense of national identity, but rather a mess of historical cultural influences, tribal and clan loyalties, and religious fervor. Projecting influence into the area is no longer just Russia, but also Turkey, Iran, China, Pakistan, India and the United States:
Russia continues to dominate political decision-making throughout the Caucasus, Central Asia, and former SSRs in general. As some of these countries shed their post-Soviet authoritarian systems and integrate with Western organizations such as the EU and NATO, Russia's influence has decreased in those nations. Yet, Russia continues to be the primary power in both the Caucasus and Central Asia, especially in light of the Russian victory over Georgia - and by proxy Western powers - in August 2008, and the many hydrocarbon deals signed between Moscow and the Central Asian states.
Turkey has some influence because of the ethnic and linguistic ties with the Turkic peoples of Central Asia, as well as serving as the Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan oil pipeline route to the Mediterranean and a route for natural gas pipelines (South Caucasus Pipeline; Nabucco Pipeline).
Iran, the seat of historical empires which controlled parts of Central Asia, has historical and cultural links to the region, as is vying to construct an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf.
China, projects significant power in the region through its border with Central Asia in Xinjiang, especially in energy/oil politics.
Pakistan, armed with nuclear weapons, and employing its security forces, among the largest in the world, has massive influence in and around Kashmir and Afghanistan. Kashmir is hotly contested for with India, while Afghanistan has been used by the Pakistan army as part of its 'strategic depth' in case of war and is now a new proxy war between India and Pakistan.
India, as a nuclear-armed and strong rising power, exercises much influence in the region, especially in Tibet with which it has cultural affinities. India is also perceived as challenging a potential counterweight to China's regional power. The Farkhor Air Base in Tajikistan gives the Indian military the required depth and range in seeking a larger role in South Asia and is a tangible manifestation of India’s move to project its power in Central Asia, a policy goal formally enunciated in 2003–2004.
The United States with its military involvement in the region is also significantly involved in the region's politics but on a lower level than either China or Russia whose relations with the Central Asian states are more comprehensive, and lack the democratization factor which Washington espouses.
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Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Hopechest

 

He wasn't advising Kissinger. Kissinger was freaking Secretary of State. And a war criminal, I might add.

The man is an academic. He is a policy guy. Pencil pusher, if you will.

Read the freaking book. It will tell you all you need to know.

Who am I kidding you won't read the book. You'll just google and make a post about some obscure event without ever dealing with the issue. Cuz you don't know. You want to act like you know but you make stupid statements that give you up.

Of course he wasn't advising him sorry if I implied that. The point was that his advice was completely opposite of Kissinger's and it turned out to be the bad call unless you think Kissinger's job in Asia was a failure.

That of course is debatable depending on how your political leanings are. He also thought the Vietnam War was a good idea which shows you how off his policy vision is.

reply to post by Hopechest


Who Kissinger? Dude, that guy can't even leave the country because of his war crime warrants.

Oh yeah, I suppose we won the Viet Nam war too.

Whatever.

I am done here.

its scary how the guys filming were freaking out. they thought it was a nuke.

We are the aggressor and that didn't work out too well for the Germans did it now.

Remove Israel and 99% of the worlds troubles will vanish overnight and lets face it they need such a smacking even without the latest bombing in Syria.

The big question to me is will Japan bite its american master who is no more a freind to Japan than an occupation force left over from WWII

Originally posted by VirusGuard
We are the aggressor and that didn't work out too well for the Germans did it now.

Remove Israel and 99% of the worlds troubles will vanish overnight and lets face it they need such a smacking even without the latest bombing in Syria.

The big question to me is will Japan bite its american master who is no more a freind to Japan than an occupation force left over from WWII

israel can not the be the scapegoat for everything. surely?

its their fault thriving economies do so with more or less slave labour? or governments worry about as much about people downloading south park as people selling drugs to lil kids?

99%???????? are you serious?

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Hopechest

 

Who Kissinger? Dude, that guy can't even leave the country because of his war crime warrants.

Oh yeah, I suppose we won the Viet Nam war too.

Whatever.

I am done here.

Brzeziniski actually supported the Vietnam war if I remember correctly.

Not something someone should want attributed to them if they want respect in international relations. If anyone should know why that it was a mistake you'd think it would be someone with Brzeziniski's credentials.

reply to post by Hopechest


All the neo cons supported the Viet Nam war. I wasn't giving him accolades for his humanitarian work. I told you from the get he was a neocon. I don't send him Christmas cards. I was just trying to explain to you the geo-political significance of the area. A couple pages back you were talking about how Syria is no big deal. LOL

Make up your freakin mind.