Texas House passes 12 firearms bills on 'gun day'

Originally posted by DAVID64
reply to post by jiggerj

 

What is the connection between these students playing a practical joke and mass murder? There is a huge difference in dumping water and pulling a trigger.

In just that picture alone, how many of the people getting dumped on will go totally out of control and start shooting (if they had guns)? Can you honestly say none? I'm thinking five, but even if just one kid loses it and starts shooting, and even if he kills just one - that's one gun death in one picture, on one day, on one campus, on one celebration of some kind.

I'm tellin' ya, it's a bad bad thing.

Kudos to Texas. It's about time to see some intelligent news in today's world. I am in Tennessee and our gun laws have been softening a bit as well but there are a few idiots trying to take away our rights still.

reply to post by jiggerj

I'm tellin' ya, it's a bad bad thing.

What I see as a worse thing is making a whole population of folks the total sum of one individual. I propose we all start giving one another the benefit of the doubt, and start empowering one another instead of handing over our safety and well being to a police state that kills the greatest numbers of Americans.

reply to post by jiggerj

In just that picture alone, how many of the people getting dumped on will go totally out of control and start shooting (if they had guns)? Can you honestly say none?

What would make you think, one, no one in that picture has a gun out in their car? ..and two.. That any of them would murder another human being over getting soaked with water?

I think you start from a position of assuming the people you show a picture of, in the midst of a College prank, are far less capable of exercising good judgement that they almost certainly are.

Further, you're talking about this as if it's some new right and new reality people would be facing. You do realize that adults in college carrying their personal firearm will/would be people WHO ALREADY carry that same firearm everywhere BUT school as it is now? Do they shoot people who cut them off? Insult them in public? Rip them off at a store register? Say their Girlfriend or Wife is ugly? Of course not.....and if they do, they'll go to prison with a life wasted.


I absolutely fail to understand where people can assume, as some here do, that College educated adults are somehow less safe to carry and more dangerous overall in being armed than anyone else who does carry in daily life today. The assumptions are flying wild, left and right, and I think it's pretty safe to make just ONE more here.

I'm going to assume the majority of people making the decision for adults on a college campus have never carried a firearm THEMSELVES in public to really understand what they're talking about denying others who do.

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by jiggerj

 

I'm tellin' ya, it's a bad bad thing.

What I see as a worse thing is making a whole population of folks the total sum of one individual. I propose we all start giving one another the benefit of the doubt, and start empowering one another instead of handing over our safety and well being to a police state that kills the greatest numbers of Americans.

I believe that would be a different discussion. I'm talking about a college campus full of irresponsible kids with no respect for firearms. I fully support the second amendment, but that comes with the understanding that firearms should be kept locked up and given the rightful respect as a deadly weapon.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

I'm going to assume the majority of people making the decision for adults on a college campus have never carried a firearm THEMSELVES in public to really understand what they're talking about denying others who do.

I really can't argue from a strong position. And, I will be the first to say I hope to high hell I am dead wrong. It just doesn't feel right to me, so we'll have to wait and find out just how bad it gets (or doesn't get).

On your point quoted above: No, I have never been paranoid enough to feel that I need to carry a weapon in public. Isn't that it, though? Wouldn't those that do carry a weapon in public have SOME level of paranoia, that somewhere, at some time, someone is going to be out to get them?

I believe that would be a different discussion. I'm talking about a college campus full of irresponsible kids with no respect for firearms. I fully support the second amendment, but that comes with the understanding that firearms should be kept locked up and given the rightful respect as a deadly weapon.

reply to post by jiggerj


Who say's that all college kids are irresponsible? There are several college students in my immediate family, and I trust them with a weapon over some power tripping cop. I think that the point of my posts somehow got past you. And that is that students who hold a gun in their possession also hold a permit to do so, thereby making them trained and certified as responsible. Acquiring a permit to carry is not a simple procedure.

Originally posted by Witness2008

I believe that would be a different discussion. I'm talking about a college campus full of irresponsible kids with no respect for firearms. I fully support the second amendment, but that comes with the understanding that firearms should be kept locked up and given the rightful respect as a deadly weapon.

reply to post by jiggerj

 

Who say's that all college kids are irresponsible? There are several college students in my immediate family, and I trust them with a weapon over some power tripping cop. I think that the point of my posts somehow got past you. And that is that students who hold a gun in their possession also hold a permit to do so, thereby making them trained and certified as responsible. Acquiring a permit to carry is not a simple procedure.

How many young people are trained to drive a two-ton pile of deadly machinery? Do I need to go any further with this?

A student carrying a firearm would have to have a concealed hand gun license. The law isn't just allowing anyone to carry a firearm in a school.

Current law doesn't allow carry in public without a CHL either. It disallows CHL carry on school campus.

Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by jiggerj

 

College kids with guns have already
gone through a gun safety class,
probably at the age of 10-12 in order
to get permission to hunt.

I had a gun in my car while I attended
both High School and College.

I took firearms safety and operation
class in College and got credit for it as well.

College adults and guns is a very good idea.

Here's the crux of it. Consider all of the crap that's forced into our public education to satisfy the extortionist policies of the Department of Education (to receive funding that we all get taxed for whether we benfit from it or not). The right to keep and bear is a fundamental part of our Constitution, so why isn't firearm safety part of the public education? We have debate teams and speech classes (practicing First Amendment rights). I don't even remember having classes on the Constitution, much less firearm safety. If we're going to be in the habit of indoctrinating our kids (which is what the federal government is trying to do), it might as well be in a area of study that's useful.

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It absolutely does require a degree of paranoia to carry a gun on a permit. You're right. You just suggest that as if it's a bad thing. Paranoia, to a reasonable level, is what keeps us aware of dangers in our environment and threats to our safety. The opposite of that is what I like to call 'Head up butt syndrome' or a total lack of situational awareness.

It doesn't take personal experience to know there are threats around us every day in almost any city in America. All it takes, for most, is a few nights spent listening to their own community on a site like Radio Reference and hearing IS believing. However quiet someone thinks their little city is? It's not by half, in all likelihood.

Now, if, god forbid, you are set upon by a gang of punks who just figure beating you half to death is a fun thing to do with their evening ...you'll have reasoning, pleas for mercy and in the end, the hope you survive it on your side. Those, like me, who do carry a weapon, MAY end up in the same situation ...but we'll have at least started from one of having an additional option and the only extra level of ability to defend ourselves that is reasonable.

By the way ... the example above isn't hypothetical.

Two arrested in brutal hammer beating in Seminole

VIDEO: U.S. Army soldier brutally beaten in South Tampa

5 teens arrested in connection with beating of 79-year-old Roseville man

Surveillance Video Captures Teens Beating 73-Year-Old Elderly Man

Each of the above cases are people beaten severely in unprovoked attacks for no reason at all or in the commission of another crime that never called for such unthinkable brutality. An armed victim may NOT have stopped it ....but then, it may have. Remaining unarmed absolutely did nothing but leave them to the tender mercy of their predatory attackers. A little paranoia in life is how we remain healthy and upright in situations that develop too fast to just start realizing something is wrong as it's already begun to occur, IMO.

From the Republic of Texas: Your welcome for keeping your freedoms safe, if you don't want to be raped by the tyranny of the farce of a government they call the Federal Government of USA. Then Move here, live long, free, and prosper.

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE OUR GUNS OR OUR ABILITY TO PROTECTS OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILY, IF YOU WANT TO COME FOR A FIGHT YOU WILL NOT WIN.

reply to post by jiggerj


No point reasoning on these threads jiggerj don't waste a perfectly good Sunday trying to reason with fanatics.

Instead I will go ride my motorbike.

Go out an enjoy some paranoid free time out in public something many people in these threads will never experience , See you here tomorrow safe and health.

God I could never imagine living in such fear and paranoia all the time , how was the coolaid

Originally posted by retirednature
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

1. How many school shooting are there per year average?

2. How much will it cost to arm teachers and supply training?

3. Do you believe that those who commit acts such as mass murders at schools think that they're going to get away?

Guns in schools may 'limit' how many are killed or injured, but I doubt it will change the frequency.

What's really being accomplished? More guns in the schools, with an endless list of possible accidents or incidences resulting in the opposite of what is trying to be accomplished. Which I'd even go as far to say will out-weigh any actual occurrences of them being used properly. People going in to kill a bunch of kids at a school are probably already accepting that it's suicide, you're not preventing anything.

On the surface, guns in the hands of teachers I guess seems like a good idea. But in the end of the day, I still don't think it's the answer, or even close to it.

So you are able to place a monetary value on the lives of children. Great.

EVERY citizen should be armed because the 2nd amendment implies this when it directs the fedgov to ensure a "well regulated militia" because in the speak of the day, "well regulated" meant well trained (safety and use courses) and practiced (firing range availability, training, and resources).

In order to obtain a Concealed Weapon permit in Texas you have to take a class taught by a state certified fire arms instructor. Back ground checks are also required.



DPS


DPS administers the Concealed Handgun Licensing Program under the authority of Government Code Chapter 411, Subchapter H. DPS licenses individuals to carry concealed handguns within the state of Texas, evaluates the eligibility of applicants through criminal history background checks, and monitors those currently licensed to ensure their continued eligibility. DPS also trains and certifies instructors who teach the required course to applicants.


If you take weapons away from law abiding citizens......they only ones who will have weapons are the criminals.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
From the Republic of Texas: Your welcome for keeping your freedoms safe, if you don't want to be raped by the tyranny of the farce of a government they call the Federal Government of USA. Then Move here, live long, free, and prosper.

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE OUR GUNS OR OUR ABILITY TO PROTECTS OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILY, IF YOU WANT TO COME FOR A FIGHT YOU WILL NOT WIN.

I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you to my last breath knee deep in hot, empty casings.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by jiggerj

 

I'm tellin' ya, it's a bad bad thing.

What I see as a worse thing is making a whole population of folks the total sum of one individual. I propose we all start giving one another the benefit of the doubt, and start empowering one another instead of handing over our safety and well being to a police state that kills the greatest numbers of Americans.

I believe that would be a different discussion. I'm talking about a college campus full of irresponsible kids with no respect for firearms. I fully support the second amendment, but that comes with the understanding that firearms should be kept locked up and given the rightful respect as a deadly weapon.

If you had ever spent any time around gun owners, you would know just how ridiculous you sound. Any 21 year old adult who goes through the difficult process of obtaining a carry permit is not an irresponsible kid with no respect for firearms. I attended a college where I'd estimate that 70% of the students living off campus kept firearms in their home. There has never been a shooting at that university.

Your statements are irrelevant because you speak from a position of total ignorance regarding gun ownership. The same "irresponsible kids" you refer to are who comprise the majority of our military.

If I make statements about quantum physics, no one should take me seriously because I don't know what I'm talking about. Take the hint.

Texas is looking better and better as a state I could live in. If I move to another state, it will be Texas. They have a good economy and have it right about protecting our freedoms, and rights under the constitution. I guess DHS will just list Texas as Terrorists now.

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Suspects in the Brutal hammer beating:

Julius Ricardo Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Isaac Israel, 19,

Description of assailants in Army soldier beating:

they're all in their late teens to early 20's.

Five teens arrested:

Two 18-year-old men from Roseville and Elk Grove, a 17-year-old boy from Roseville and two 16-year-old boys from Roseville

Beating 73 year old:

Cleveland, OH Police say a group of teens -- aged, 15-18 years -- Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Hmmm, all suspects are college age or close to it. Hmmm.

reply to post by jiggerj


Yes, late teens are college age. They're also military age and share the age range of some of those entering political office or police duty. The age itself isn't an indicator of propensity to violence any more than race would be. The examples I noted here were simply the first in the list that popped among the results I recognized as stories I was already familiar with.

Surely you aren't comparing predatory criminals with college and university students, 21+, who have successfully completed a full criminal background check and, depending on state, much more? The full day of class + practical range testing is also a mandatory stage of being issued a carry permit by every state I'm aware of ...with the exception of those couple who require no permit at all...and I don't agree with that concept, personally.

* I should clarify on the Police reference.... Explorer or similar programs where they perform most of the functions of a sworn officer but are in a support role...and also have access, if so inclined, to firearms to abuse, though not issued one personally.