'Deathbed Testimony' About UFOs Given By Former CIA Official 2013

reply to post by Flyingclaydisk



Classic research free debunkery


1. Even today, and certain at the time in question Q-clearance and 'top secret clearance' were used interchangeably. It was also common for a person who had a top level DOE clearance to have the same level clearance with the DOD, and vice versa.

2. That's an assertion you simply aren't in a position to make.

3. More assertions backed up by nothing. In fact a TS clearance won't get you into Area 51, that is nonsense. Most of the SAP's running out of places like that have completely independent classifications systems. You get access by being granted it by the person managing that particular programme, what other clearances you may or may not hold form unrelated agencies is irrelevant.

4.Again, speculation on your part.

5. You've clearly misunderstood what was said in relation to this.

How come I haven't seen anyone mention the Greada treaty between Eisenhower and the greys in '54. Interesting that this was before him supposedly threatening the people at area 51. Maybe he figured out that they were doing more stuff behind his back.

Tired of stories..

reply to post by Flyingclaydisk


Awesome.

I imagine it'll turn out that the equation is written in some alien language or code, similar to the binary code in Jim Pennistons notebook from Rendlesham Forest, and that's why it hasn't been given to an any scientists or anyone. For his documentary, Stephen Bassett could even try to tie in that old Ben Rich quote about there being an "error in the equations" and "we can now travel to the stars" for some extra credibility.

Originally posted by Flyingclaydisk
Oh, and one other thing...

The President of the United States does not have the authority to order a US Military invasion / takeover on US soil. In fact, the US Military is stricly forbidden by the Constitution from being used on US soil.

The National Guard could possibly be invoked by the Governor of Nevada somehow (as bad of an idea as that would be), but no troops from "Colorado" would be "taking over" Area 51 in Nevada.

Eisenhower could have pulled it off..
believe what you want, but they let his guys in to check it all out..

Remember Eisenhowers military industrial complex speech?

could someone please embed it here, please..

i gotta go..


i love you all

truth is being revealed...

allow it...remember..


you all know we are not alone, we are all spiritiul beings with much knowing, remember..

reply to post by Oberginator


It's a common misperception to think that having clearance equals having access.

Q clearances are specific to the DOE and are not 'automatically' interchangeable with DOD clearances. DOE and DOD both own TS data, but access to TS DOD data does NOT automatically grants you the right to access TS DOE data.

A bit of theory: you can have clearance to see some type of TS data within some organisation for a given purpose. Say that you will need access to data about cold fusion, owned by DOE and classified TS. You need Q level clearance for that - AND a need to know, often formalized by having to sign additional NDA's and/or contracts.

When you have access to a certain type of TS data within a certain organisation (within the scope of having to do some work that requires that you need access to such data) it does not mean that you'll have access to ALL TS data within that organisation, let alone within other organisations. It also does not mean that you can barge in into any military site (let alone A51/S4), you'll need additional site clearance for that and within a site you may still not have access to all area's.

Q clearances are issued by HS-92, DOE. They don't routinely issue Q clearances to military personnel - if military personnel needs access to DOE TS data, they need to request this and there are strict rules which will be followed. It does not matter if somebody already has gained some type of clearance for TS data that is NOT owned by DOE. It also does not matter if you are The President or Joe Sixpack. There are strict procedures and they WILL be followed. DOE does its own research, regardless what other clearances with other departments, companies etc. you may or may not have.

Hence, it is simply not true to state that one that has DOD TS clearance which allows him to see certain data within the DOD (which he needs to perform his duties) hence has Q clearance within the DOE. The two are NOT interchangeable.

Now, why would a guy that is a crypto teacher would need access to DOE data? In those days, DOE mainly kept TS data that was related to nuclear technology. What need does a crypto man have to access that type of data? He would not be able to do anything with it that benefits the DOE, that's for sure.

Also, please realize that obtaining clearance is a costly and lengthy business. If you ever have been cleared to whatever level, you will remember what level it was and what access to what data it gained you. You will not be confusing Q level clearance with TS military level clearance.

This old fart is either senile, or is a lying bastard.

Originally posted by cornucopia
reply to post by ezwip

 

because I have seen with my own eyes and I have thought, I have communicated and can do so at any time with life from the cosmos...

Really? WOW! You must be a CE-5 yourself Cornucopia! Or should I call you Steve Greed …. oh, Greer!
You see, you made me change my mind, now I believe that really there is an evil cabala revolving around UFO phenomenon. I think it is called Brotherhood of Charlatans. They made a big business from this phenomenon and ruthlessly and shamelessly milk the poor suckers. And willingly or not, you are both their victim and their helper.
And you are right in another matter: free energy. Indeed, these guys had find a way to get it. Because money are a sort of energy, a stored energy. And these crooks get the money from gullible so easy, that you might call it free energy.
A former CIA agent on his deathbed decides to make confessions?! For sure these shameless charlatans aren’t in any shortages of jokes.

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Or should I call you Steve Greed …. oh, Greer!

There are, on the other hand, organisations like MUFON that do try to keep at least a moderately serious view on things.

Q clearance's "Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement" will be retained for a period of 70 years now instead of 50 years.

You can read more about Q clearance from the pdf file from the official gov site below..

www.hss.energy.gov...

reply to post by cornucopia


There you go friend.
Oh yeah, it's relevant.



For those that can't see videos, here is a transcript. This is important knowledge.
Eisenhower Military-Industrial Complex Speech Transcribed

Originally posted by cornucopia
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

well you called some of my posts troll replies...

how is that nice exactly?

lol

anyways, what would you like to know?

I said that it looked that ways at times and explained because of the vagueness of many replies.

It might not be nice but your posts at times give the impression that your joking around or just not fully convinced of your perceived reality and searching for some stability from others that might have a similar view as yourself. So that's not nice when asked to explain or help one understand your perspective and your response of something that's quite profound to some should be a little more than a few sentences telling us again not to worry, you can communicate with our space brothers and the truth and disclosure are unstoppable.

When asked how you know the things you say do, I assume having knowledge of such a profound truth would allow one to pass that knowledge on so others may understand, but you like many before and many after that have graced these boards feel as though you have been chosen and are just seeking confirmation.

Its OK to say you don't know and say I believe from my interpreted experiences instead of posts like this

that is your opinion, not fair to state as a fact because in my opinion you are wrong you see I KNOW that we are not alone, as a matter of fact and there is nothing anyone can say to change that, it's not possible... because I have seen with my own eyes and I have thought, I have communicated and can do so at any time with life from the cosmos... fyi- you can to i'm not so special, desire truth, ask and you shall receive... stop drinking fluoridated water, do heavy metal cleanses, start doing some form of meditation, awaken your mind/"junk"DNA... eat more greens, sunshine, love is the key... forgive... just love

Now that was a reply to poster making a suggestion, giving his opinion of how the old man has been given his final mission.

Actually if the old man was CIA this opinion fits with the logic of if there is a huge disinfo campaign to cover up terrestrial secrets by suggesting Aliens why not get a former agent (whats the saying, once in the CIA always in the CIA) to come clean so to speak in the fashion he did and have many easily fall for just his word alone.

That reply is one that makes me suspect your against actual truth seeking with such a defensive reply even going as far as stating that the poster should not state what they posted as fact when they actually didn't.


However, I like the love you throw around these boards, ('')
('')

And finally your question of what I would like to know?

I would like to know how to forget,

If you asked me what would I like to forget? my answer would be everything.

Originally posted by JoeSignal
reply to post by cornucopia

 

There you go friend.

Oh yeah, it's relevant.

For those that can't see videos, here is a transcript. This is important knowledge.
Eisenhower Military-Industrial Complex Speech Transcribed

edit on 7/5/13 by JoeSignal because: Added transcript

Thanks Brother
Namaste'

I guess many overlooked the fact that Project Blue Book was a USAF program, not US Army nor CIA.

Further, Area 51 was/is a USAF managed site, with oversight from Edwards AFB as part of the Air Force Flight Test Center. Area 51 has had heavy CIA involvement through the years.

If Anonymous was working for the CIA, investigating UFO's on Project Blue Book, as he says don't you think he would have been working for the USAF, not the CIA?

Secondly, if Anonymous was working for the CIA and was called in by the president to investigate what was going on at Area 51, as he states, wouldn't the CIA have already known what was going on at Groom Lake?

At the time the CIA was heavily involved in the U-2 program at The Ranch. If the CIA already knew what was going on there, why would the president call them in to investigate themselves?

He may be a nice old man on his deathbed, but it seems to me his story doesn't wash. Perhaps he's just trying to leave a mysterious legacy behind. His story sounds like fragments of information put together from some rumors, conjecture, the movies and a dose of low level research.

Originally posted by Oberginator
reply to post by Flyingclaydisk

 

Classic research free debunkery


1. Even today, and certain at the time in question Q-clearance and 'top secret clearance' were used interchangeably. It was also common for a person who had a top level DOE clearance to have the same level clearance with the DOD, and vice versa.

2. That's an assertion you simply aren't in a position to make.

3. More assertions backed up by nothing. In fact a TS clearance won't get you into Area 51, that is nonsense. Most of the SAP's running out of places like that have completely independent classifications systems. You get access by being granted it by the person managing that particular programme, what other clearances you may or may not hold form unrelated agencies is irrelevant.

4.Again, speculation on your part.

5. You've clearly misunderstood what was said in relation to this.

I debated for quite a while on whether this post deserved a response or not. In the end it was the "Classic Research Free Debunkery" comment which compelled me to do so. Really, my main reason for responding was for the benefit of others here, not so much yourself.

I'll go point by point...

1. WRONG. Q and TS have never been interchangeable. You're simply wrong.

2. You have no idea what position I am in, so you have no idea what assertions I am in a position to make.

3. The notion that contractors on SAP's would come up with their own classification system at a location like Groom Lake is laughable and complete rubbish. This may be true for compartments above the TS level, but if you think for one second that a person is going to show up at the ranch without a TS, well, you're just misinformed.

4. Well of course it's speculation...just like everything else on this thread (and much of what's here on ATS)! So is the OP; what's your point? However, unlike your statements, it's informed speculation with an understanding of official protocol, history and organizational structure. If you know something on this subject which is not speculation then please do share...which you certainly haven't done so far!

5. I have misunderstood nothing. Facts are facts. Refute them with better ones.

Have a great day!

reply to post by cornucopia

When the men in Black town cars came to tell me to be quiet... Well in my book "They" set a record for a CA high speed pursuit, which I escaped, by flying over 700 feet, estimated, before burning 'as those Crown Vic's are wont to do'. Estimated since any attempts to investigate the incidents in my book, which I can not post the name of online yet begins with 'The 3000 mile car chase' from CA to Minnesota - whew - [T. Gordon WHO???]
One point is "They" have made it clear their entire existence revolves around anal probes, like Gay Edgar's did, and all my efforts for 'Full Disclosure - Total Exposure' have only showed that they can manipulate leaders even into destroying us with our own Nuclear Weapons (see recent events in North Korea)
Second point is they use our Religion against us - while a vast array of 'Divine Immortals' stand ready to help us, as they have for countless millennia, we are stifled in our Spiritual Advancement by this load that there is only 1 "God" and the threat that we "will not go to Heaven" unless we follow the Religion they force on others, "The Slave Religion" whose God lays out the guidelines for even a father to sell his children as Sex Slaves, yet only if he gets a good deal, yet only for the daughters - one sick "God" they have - while my new 'Better Religion' demands total equality, even for the rare good ET's, and Truth, AND Advancement to the point where ALL people will be asked to take a try at "Christos" as the Greeks called the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Whew. can you follow?

SO when you say "God" please be clear which one of US you are speaking of, some are not considered the kind of powerfull being we would like to be associated with - Try A Goddess, for a change, right? There are lots of nice ones, until you get them angry, am I right?

reply to post by Gordonthegood9


WOW!! Just...Wow!!!!!

Without UFO researchers being able to investigate the credibility of this gentleman his unconfirmed testimony will just go down as that; unconfirmed testimony. I certainly believe what he says he knows but it would be helpful if someone could later on down the line confirm what this person has said as fact. There also needs to be further investigation into the S4 facility near Area 51.

If the USA had ET technology and reversed engineered it over several decades...what do you think the outcome would be?
A few stealth aircraft???? Even the Serbs managed to shoot one of those down..
If you had technology thousands of years ahead of your competitors, you wouldn't hide it in secret bases, you would use it to take over the entire world. The USA is a world empire, but even when you look at the stand off with little north Korea, you should be able to see there is no huge technological advantage..remember UFO's can supposedly shut down nuclear missiles. If the USA really had this tech, then enemy missiles would already have been made useless.
It's a great propaganda stunt to sell your enemies, telling the world you are the one country in history that has been lucky enough to have had alien space craft crash on your soil and you are smart enough to have reverse engineered it...I smell BS.
There would be no slow and gradual build up towards a one world government...it would happen over night if the USA really had alien tech.

reply to post by Gordonthegood9


WOW! You must be a delight for your psychiatrist!