'Deathbed Testimony' About UFOs Given By Former CIA Official 2013

Originally posted by xxerse

Originally posted by OpenMind001
(3:03) ..... "Magnetic swipe card" given to him by CIA in 1958. Technology didn't exist until well into the 60s. Unless of course, it was an ALIEN swipe card. That makes more sense because if you're going to fly intergalactic, then you want to rely on 1960s technology to open and close your doors. Smart Martians !
Fakity fake fake. From his own words.

And you registered on ATS just te let us know?

The guy mentioned this because for him, at that time it was shocking too. It was technology that he was meeting for the first time. Why on earth would you mention a trivial swipecard unless it was somerhing odd about it.

And you talk about a gap of about 7 years which is a minimum for military tech to get obsolete an let free into the market. Some cold war tech is secret even today in US and Russia too.

edit on 6-5-2013 by xxerse because: A small typo

Hi Xxerse. No, I registered to participate in a discussion forum. I concede, you make a good point about military tech eventually finding its way to the public sector after a delay of several years. But rather than hand waving, we can try and look for independent sources that show or describe a card swipe in use c1958. Unclassified documents for hi security storage (NSA security advisories,, Air Force nuke handling, TEMPEST and other secure area specification) etc are out there and include really detailed stuff that might support your card swipe access assertion.
All I'm saying is if your assertion is right, there should be public documents that describe it. If not, the documentary evidence is that the first available card swipe system was c1969 or 1970 out of IBM. Work the problem, dude. Even if you support the hypothesis that aliens landed/crashed, surely you'd want it to be founded on a teeny bit of real and tangible evidence ?

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
Why does a dying person care about being anonymous? Not trying to call the man a liar, but this little bit of information should be cleared up before I believe what he has to say full heartily. He obviously doesn't care about being recognized since he doesn't have his face blurred out and voice altered.

I think you took that statement out of context, what he said was "be anonymous, never show my face on anything" he was referring to back then after being approached by the men in black.

Okay, I watched the interview. To me the guy seems genuine. However, I am by no means an expert in these things. My problem with the whole interview was the interview itself. Here we have a man who is telling you he has seen the Roswell craft and all we now know from his testimony is what the material looked like, how heavy it was and the type of propulsion system. How about how big it was. That might have been nice to ask. Or maybe what did the inside look like. He also said he had an opportunity to interview a grey. What did you ask him and what were his answers. How about asking what his alias was? He would still be able to remain anonymous.

Let’s talk about the attempt to be anonymous. Why wouldn’t you disguise your face and voice. SOMEBODY out there has to recognize this individual. It’s on YouTube and he most likely still has family members who know who he is. Give us something so we can verify at least your credentials. Especially if he has now passed away. All in all I think it was one of the worst interviews ever. The interviewee’s last comment “Because I had an awful lot of secrets I had kept over the years”. Uh, don’t you think you may have extended the interview and asked about them? Personally I think the Richard Dolan did a terrible job. Just my opinion though.

reply to post by OpenMind001


And for completeness, I just came across this thread
www.godlikeproductions.com...

that raises the same Q re card scanners, but was posted yesterday. In the thread someone posts a wiki link purporting to support card readers in the50s. but it actually says magnetic _tape_ is from 1950s but hard cards are 1960+ into the 70s.

reply to post by xxerse

Hehe, you are exactly the type of pefessional i was expecting to come here and debunk this guy. Yes sir, you are a pro, very well documented and knowledgeable about the subject and its exponents.

This sounds a lot like you think I'm hired to be in here and get payed to debunk this man. That would imply that I'm part of some kind of 'secret service' or 'governmental cover up'. Yay!

Exciting thought. Not true. alas, but still, as I can't prove it to you either, you may as well continue to believe it. Gives me a nice egoboost too

Let me point you something: whatever this man would have said, you would be able to point a case where that was stated and proven wrong.

Well, not if he had said that the sun rises in the East I would have believed him. Even saw that myself.

Lazar was never proven wrong, but his statements were denied, he was considered an imposter etc... With this guy the same tactics will be employed.

That makes sense; he never provided any additonal proof either. You can believe him, or not (Ripley). That's about all there is to say about Lazar. Mind you he is a smart guy, that's for sure. You might even suspect he is a 'professional' ..

On the other side, what we have here are just words that can be easily countered with words.

Indeed. That's the problem with this clip: it could just as well be a Bee Gees clip.. "Words are all I have.."..

I hope soon someone will finally come up with a proof that will make the humanity rest in silence for 1 day and end this nightmare.

Well, we agree here: some real proof, that would be nice.

so basically this video is some guy trying to stuff as many buzz words into a single story

reply to post by cornucopia

Here is some info from the video:

3/5/2013 at 11 am
SUPER 8 PARK RAPIDS
1020 East 1st St., Park Rapids, MN 56470 US

Location info is in the first 10 seconds of video.
Frame from video:

(If not showing, try "open in new tab")

Compare to photos of lobby shown on the Park Rapids MN Super 8 Hotel website.

My thoughts?

The interview seems straight forward and honest to me, For those of you grousing about the questions asked/not asked, The gentleman appeared genuinely in poor health... How firmly would you have grilled him?
How much detailed info could he have provided 40+ years after the fact? How much could you in the same situation?

Do you remember the names of people you talked to 20 years ago? Even given the amazing things he (allegedly) saw, would you have names/numbers and files committed to memory? He would not have kept any physical files or photos, as that would have been against the rules of whomever he worked for.

In a case like this, with a person detailing events events from the distant past, you have to listen for the meaning as much as any details that might be cross-checked. You need to trust your own gut and decide what credence your going to give this video.

Either way; if you consider this true, no actionable material is really provided, no locations or new situations are reveled, but there is much insight to be gained on the mindset of the various personalities involved.

If you consider this a hoax or fabrication, that also would be hard to prove, and ranting about it does not help any cause.

I think this was honest and straight-forward. I just wish there was a way to have actual public disclosure from those who know.

As crazy as it seems, I do somewhat trust that if information of this magnitude is real, it is being withheld for good (? understandable ?) reason.

Just my thoughts... -Clay

There are several pretty significant inconsistencies with this gentleman’s story. He sounds (and looks) legit, but again there are some pretty glaring errors:

1. A TS (Top Secret) Clearance and a “Q” Clearance are two different kinds of clearances. TS is issued by DOD. A “Q” clearance is a DOE clearance. Two completely different clearances from two completely different agencies for two completely different things. This is a common mistake, and usually a good sign the person stating they have both is telling a fib.

2. A low level Lieutenant would never be brought into the Oval Office to meet with the President, Vice President and AG of the United States…unless said Lieutenant was serving coffee (and even then it would probably be a Captain). And certainly not for investigating one of the most secret places on Earth at the time. In the movies maybe, but not in real life. Just wouldn’t happen.

3. A base commander at a base like Area 51, regardless of his guests clearances, would not just casually waltz people around and show them all the ‘family jewels’. To even get into the front gate Area 51 you need a TS, and this just gets you in the gate. From there you have a clearance that allows you access to your work area ONLY. Installations such as Area 51 are highly compartmentalized. You know what’s going on only in your work area, that’s it…get caught looking into another work area just because you were “curious” and you’ll likely be shot. This is no joke. In the A-12 program, for example, workers had clearances for their bay (of a hangar), but some of the bays were divided with movable partitions. Workers from one partition were not allowed to know what was going on in the other even though they were in the same hangar.

4. If the President of the United States demanded to know what was going on a base, any base, and the base commander refused to tell that would be a really, really, bad career move…and further he certainly wouldn’t send a Lt. Colonel a some lackey Lieutenant to go find out! He’d send a plane load of Generals…right after he CANNED the Director of the CIA and two of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Army and Air Force).

5. No Lockheed Electra, no matter who it belongs to, is just going to go flying into Groom Lake to land and see what’s going on. They’d be intercepted and downed before they ever crossed the fence. Pilots aren’t even given the frequencies and approach charts until you’ve been pre-cleared to fly into Groom. To do that, you’ve already been there, but just not as PIC. If our renegade base commander didn’t want anyone like the President snooping on him I’d say it’s a pretty good bet he wouldn’t giving out the freqs and charts to just anyone to come zooming in there. President’s Lockheed Electra be damned.

reply to post by C141Clay


FYI, the frame you tried to show did not show up in my browser.

The interview seems straight forward and honest to me, For those of you grousing about the questions asked/not asked, The gentleman appeared genuinely in poor health... How firmly would you have grilled him?
How much detailed info could he have provided 40+ years after the fact? How much could you in the same situation?

Well, had I been the witness of an interview with a real alien I sure WOULD have kept a vivid memory of the event. Yes, you do forget a lot of things, but I can clearly recall details of events that made an impression on me 40 year ago. Also, this was not an unplanned event: this man has been in contact with Linda Moulton Howe for a long time (check fhe video at roughly 15:40 to hear him mention this). He tells us his phone was tapped and that he was threatened by 2 MIB, so he stopped talking to her. But this suggests that he has had plenty of time to think over his story. It is amazing how minimalistic his recollection is, given the importance of what he witnessed and his clear wish to get it all off his chest.

Well, maybe we'll get a sequel in which more interesting details will be shown. It is clear when you study the video that it is compiled from a much longer interview. Would not surprise me, as it would draw new flocks of willing customers to the various websites of Dolan, Basset, Greer, Howe and the likes.

BTW: it was only in 1960 that - yes - the CIA asked IBM to develop a way to track employees in their buildings using a computerized system. IBM came up with the idea to use magnetic stripe cards. Actually, it was ms Parry, the wife of IBM employed Forrest C. Parry that came up with the idea to iron a magnetic tape to the back of a plastic card. She used her household iron and a pillow cover to get it done. I can't imagine IBM and the CIA forging this too, it is a well known and well documented story. So, we know for a fact that at least that part of his story was fabricated.

Oh, and one other thing...

The President of the United States does not have the authority to order a US Military invasion / takeover on US soil. In fact, the US Military is stricly forbidden by the Constitution from being used on US soil.

The National Guard could possibly be invoked by the Governor of Nevada somehow (as bad of an idea as that would be), but no troops from "Colorado" would be "taking over" Area 51 in Nevada.

^ So what is the comeout of this?

You have no right to debunk him without any solid evidence of him being bogus
You cannot be sure that he is telling the truth..

Either of you is wrong.

reply to post by ForteanOrg

..Forte...Indeed, a quick search found IBMs own history on magnetic swipe cards...link below..

www-03.ibm.com...

Originally posted by OpenMind001
reply to post by OpenMind001

 

And for completeness, I just came across this thread
www.godlikeproductions.com...

that raises the same Q re card scanners, but was posted yesterday. In the thread someone posts a wiki link purporting to support card readers in the50s. but it actually says magnetic _tape_ is from 1950s but hard cards are 1960+ into the 70s.

Ack! Don't go over to GLP without putting a condom on your computer first. That place is awash in computer virii.

reply to post by signalfire


If there's a moderator who wants to delete my post with the GLP link, please do. (At +4 hrs ATS won't let me edit it.)

reply to post by ImpactoR


Well, he or the interviewer...or both, are very careful not to discuss anything significant that can be proven or disproven. Consequently, we are left with only minor factual details to judge the man's credibility.

Notice that I didn't even address the 'mathematical proof of how to reverse gravity (...on a 3.5 index card no less).

Imagine how that discussion went for just a moment...

Anon - Hey General, who have you got in that room there?

General - Oh, it's just an alien we've been interviewing

Anon - Mind if I go inside and say "Hi"? Never talked to an alien before

General - Sure

Anon - Hi Mr Alien...what's up, dude?

Alien - Aw nuthin', just sittin here rappin' with this intelligence dude. Hey, would you like a me to write down the new laws of PHYSICS and the math of how to reverse GRAVITY on a 3 x 5 card for you????

Anon - Yeah, I guess that would be kind of okay...why not. Okay, see you.

(back outside)

General - So, how'd it go?

Anon - Went okay I guess. Kind of boring really. All he really said was ... how to REWRITE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS IN THE UNIVERSE and gave me the math to prove the GREATEST PHYSICIST WHO EVER LIVED to be WRONG. No biggie really.

reply to post by C141Clay

It seems that the frame grab I tried to add did not take.
Watch the first 10-15 seconds of the video. As he enters the building you can see:
The Park Rapids Chamber of Commerce sticker on the door and the map of Minnesota on the wall.
-That gives you the town
-The time is on the clock on the wall give you the approximate time; the date is known.
-You can see the layout and style of the lobby; Wood cladding on the counter, The garland over the counter, the wall clock, the self serve breakfast area with tables. Take note of these and then...
-A quick search online for hotels in Park Rapids Minnesota brings up a short list hotels. I chose the second one because it was cheap, and the search engine photo looked like it might work. BINGO. Go through the pictures on the hotel site (link in my OP), look at the lobby and the room lighting (sconces) and you can see it is the hotel.

I tried to attach a frame grab, but as I just joined ATS today, I don't think it is letting me yet.
I thought that was pretty easy, did anyone else post the info before me? (I did not read all 10+ pages of comments)

-Clay

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
The only reason they would give these secrets up would be to distract us from other secrets they need to keep surpressed

that doesnt work.

You are not talking about a couple of people sharing a secret to prevent one from discovering a deeper secret but rather a govt that has trouble keeping it's secrets secret and a nation of snoopy people who once they get one secret look forward to the next...so to speak.

Even if this guy is telling the truth, he has told us nothing that we do not already know, except that Ike was somewhat clueless about what was really going on at 51. With Ike's known EBE involvement, I find that hard to believe.

OK, I just looked up info on the Index Card. If anyone thinks this guy could not have had an Index Card in the 50's, well guess what, they were invented in 1760.

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by sparrowstail

 

The way he acts after he finishes with a feeling of relief adds to his credibility.

The feeling of relief could be because after a number of takes he was able to get through the lines he learned.

When finished he would feel relieved that the job is done, yes, whether his story to be true or whether he finally got his lines right.

As well, those who question how he may of been recruited to CIA. I would argue that the CIA has no employment add stating this or that as an asset.

Really, I believe there was a thread here on ATS discussing the CIA recruiting at some of the top Universities.
If memory serves me well the CIA set up recruiting stands like the military do.

edit on 5-5-2013 by InhaleExhale because: (no reason given)

What I meant was that they don't advertize for Extraterrestrial Specialist and UFO Recovery Expert for the east coast The last person that finds out what they are doing for the CIA would be one of those college recruits, who would have no idea what they were even applying for. CIA recruitment is no doubt scouting for very specific aptitudes probably not much more.

Interesting how almost every other culture reveres their eldery and value what they think, but all we do is denigrate them and throw them away and dishonor their dignity.