Bringing the giants back!

Luxus you might want to consider how the Bible was written and who it was written by and when - why do you consider it a realiable source of scientifically accurate information?

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by amazing
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Fair enough, but what do you think the tallest functioning human form could be? 9 ft? And by saying that it wouldn't look human if it were taller, are we talking like much thicker bones and legs for starters, say more of a caricature of a human form would be enough to make it functional? Fascinating discussion.

About 9 feet tall. At that point (and there are a few that height) the diameter of the bones versus height and weight is simply not sufficient -- their ankles and feet develop problems and their bones often break under the weight of their body (remember, it's a lot of weight pressing down on a small area about an inch or two in diameter. They tend to die very young. Andre the Giant (at 7'4") died at the relatively young age of 50 from heart failure -- a common problem in giants.

I think this is a non-issue. Your example was a syndrome.

Just look at 'other' giant mamals in the past. They did just fine with being so large. If they adopt and grow large, everything will adapt, so stronger bones and muscles.

Watched an lecture about global warming last week and he was talking about how the climate as we know it basicly would go back to 50 millions years ago when the firt species of modern mamals where appearing, but they where very very tiny, basicly the environment was kinda toxic back then which did not support normal sized animals and so you had in the past also an enviroment which was very very healthy basicly and so mamals grew like giants.

So perhaps in certain areas some humans at some time could have grown very large or just very tiny (tiny ones have been found) but if they where not plentyfull, small change finding fossisels of them but for me it would be just rather odd you didnt had a giant race of humans somewhere at some time just like most from modern day mamals which had giants versions in the past.

reply to post by Hanslune


The bible is taken from much older books (the old testament that is). Just read the epic of gilgamesh for example. The bible has been corrupted in many places by Zionists who wish to coverup the important achievements of the descendents of Cain. They also want to portray them as being evil basically due to jealousy....and because Europeans are the closest descendents of Cain on earth the Zionists want to screw up their country's too!

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Hanslune

 

The bible is taken from much older books (the old testament that is). Just read the epic of gilgamesh for example. The bible has been corrupted in many places by Zionists who wish to coverup the important achievements of the descendents of Cain. They also want to portray them as being evil basically due to jealousy....and because Europeans are the closest descendents of Cain on earth the Zionists want to screw up their country's too!

edit on 7-5-2013 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

Sooner or later...it always comes down to 'the Jooos'.

reply to post by Plugin


True giantism is basically brain cancer a tumor pressing on the pituitary gland resulting in excessive release of growth hormone. These people are not genetically intended to be tall and their body is always out of proportion which is not the case with a person who is genetically coded to be tall.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


No Zionists...not the same thing....not the same thing at all!

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

No Zionists...not the same thing....not the same thing at all!

You know what? That's what they all say. Maybe you need to get just a little more specific in your appellations and avoid terminology that tends to slap a label back at you. All in the interests of the thread.

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Hanslune

 

The bible is taken from much older books (the old testament that is). Just read the epic of gilgamesh for example. The bible has been corrupted in many places by Zionists who wish to coverup the important achievements of the descendents of Cain. They also want to portray them as being evil basically due to jealousy....and because Europeans are the closest descendents of Cain on earth the Zionists want to screw up their country's too!

edit on 7-5-2013 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

That is not what I asked so I'll say it S L O W L Y

Why do you consider the Bible to be a source of scientifically accurate information instead of what it is, a story book written by people who had no scientific knowledge at all - they had some wisdom but no science.

reply to post by Hanslune


When David met Goliath he did not need Scientific knowledge to understand that Goliath was a giant, he only needed his eyes.

I don't believe everything in the Bible btw but when I find multiple people all around the world saying the same thing I tend to think there is no smoke without fire. For this reason yes I believe there was a flood in antiquity, yes I believe there were human hybrids which were taller then average humans and yes I believe that there was a golden age where humans had knowledge some of which we still have not recovered.

An example of this would also be the pyramids, are we to believe those pyramids in China have no connection to those pyramids in Egypt ie that they don't share a common origin!

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

No Zionists...not the same thing....not the same thing at all!

You know what? That's what they all say. Maybe you need to get just a little more specific in your appellations and avoid terminology that tends to slap a label back at you. All in the interests of the thread.

Frankly I don't give a damn what people think of me or what I say, I say it because all my research has shown it to be a truth!

Originally posted by LUXUS
An example of this would also be the pyramids, are we to believe those pyramids in China have no connection to those pyramids in Egypt ie that they don't share a common origin!

Yes, we are to believe that. Because it's true.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by LUXUS
An example of this would also be the pyramids, are we to believe those pyramids in China have no connection to those pyramids in Egypt ie that they don't share a common origin!

Yes, we are to believe that. Because it's true.

Harte

And yet you say this because it is something you have chosen to believe in the same way a religious person chooses to believe in God ie its a faith you have adopted

Luke 17: 26 (NIV) "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man."

Could be referring to Nephilim. Could be referring to the widespread sinfulness of mankind. Could be both.

reply to post by Hanslune


Honestly it was something I brought up just as speculation. It was a theory of my own. I didn't really have the data you have just presented me however. It does make me wonder if its still possible and perhaps these giant bones and humanity in general is far older then we believe. This is of course merely speculation as I have no "facts" to back up my speculation.

Originally posted by Plugin

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by amazing
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Fair enough, but what do you think the tallest functioning human form could be? 9 ft? And by saying that it wouldn't look human if it were taller, are we talking like much thicker bones and legs for starters, say more of a caricature of a human form would be enough to make it functional? Fascinating discussion.

About 9 feet tall. At that point (and there are a few that height) the diameter of the bones versus height and weight is simply not sufficient -- their ankles and feet develop problems and their bones often break under the weight of their body (remember, it's a lot of weight pressing down on a small area about an inch or two in diameter. They tend to die very young. Andre the Giant (at 7'4") died at the relatively young age of 50 from heart failure -- a common problem in giants.

I think this is a non-issue. Your example was a syndrome.

Just look at 'other' giant mamals in the past. They did just fine with being so large. If they adopt and grow large, everything will adapt, so stronger bones and muscles.

The large forms (I work in a paleontology lab, so I've reviewed evidence) are not the same as the smaller forms -- as Hans pointed out. A dachshund, for instance, can't be bred to be 3 feet high at the shoulder (with the same proportions -- the dog at that point would be well over 10 feet long.) The shape of lizard and crocodilian skeletons means that they can be very long but not as tall as a horse (because their legs aren't under them, but are splayed to the side of their bodies.)

As Hans said, if you managed to get a human that was 12 feet tall, changes in the skeleton would make them look not-very-human.

.... species of modern mamals where appearing, but they where very very tiny, basicly the environment was kinda toxic back then which did not support normal sized animals and so you had in the past also an enviroment which was very very healthy basicly and so mamals grew like giants.

First... not all species of mammals are large -- in fact, most species are much smaller than humans. Second, environmental changes meant the environment was "toxic" at various times for various types of mammals. We still have giants today like the grizzly bear, elephants, pandas, giraffes, and so forth.

but for me it would be just rather odd you didnt had a giant race of humans somewhere at some time just like most from modern day mamals which had giants versions in the past.

There are quite a lot of mammals which don't have giant forms, including mice, shrews, dogs, wolves (dire wolf was actually smaller than a Great Dane), horses (today's horse is the largest that the species has ever been), sheep, goats, platypuses, ocelots, tigers, leopards, gazelles, many breeds of deer, otters, and so on and so forth.

Originally posted by GrimReaper86
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Honestly it was something I brought up just as speculation. It was a theory of my own. I didn't really have the data you have just presented me however. It does make me wonder if its still possible and perhaps these giant bones and humanity in general is far older then we believe. This is of course merely speculation as I have no "facts" to back up my speculation.

Right now, we (scientists) believe that "humanity"/humans are up to 5 million years old as a group (hominids) and that the oldest true homo sapiens is about 90,000 years old. You may have gotten a wrong impression about how old humanity is by websites that are not up to date on these matters.

Originally posted by LUXUS

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by LUXUS
An example of this would also be the pyramids, are we to believe those pyramids in China have no connection to those pyramids in Egypt ie that they don't share a common origin!

Yes, we are to believe that. Because it's true.

Harte

And yet you say this because it is something you have chosen to believe in the same way a religious person chooses to believe in God ie its a faith you have adopted

You say this because, in your mind, the fact that the oldest Chinese pyramid dates to around 250 BC simply has no bearing on your desire that there be some link to an Egyptian pyramid that predates it by 2400 years. Nor does the fact that the Chinese example is an earthen mound while the Egyptian one is mortared stone come between you and your wish that they are linked.

Sorry, but is you that has chosen a belief here. I choose the logical thought process.

Harte

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Hanslune

 

When David met Goliath he did not need Scientific knowledge to understand that Goliath was a giant, he only needed his eyes.

That is again not what I was talking about - how do you know his description is accurate or that it occurred at all? I would note also that if the story was true he wasn't a giant from a giant race but just a larger than normal Philistine

For this reason yes I believe there was a flood in antiquity, yes I believe there were human hybrids which were taller then average humans and yes I believe that there was a golden age where humans had knowledge some of which we still have not recovered.

Well the scientific evidence for your first belief is non-existence and there is extraordinarily strong evidence against it. Well yes there are larger humans but no evidence for 'hybrids', nor of a 'golden age', these are just religious style beliefs of yours.

An example of this would also be the pyramids, are we to believe those pyramids in China have no connection to those pyramids in Egypt ie that they don't share a common origin!

That is what the evidence shows - now it is possible that someone from China or elsewhere walked to Egypt - saw them and thought 'those are impressive' and took the idea back - but the time difference in construction makes the idea of independent invention more probable that they being built at the same time.

Luxus I think the difficulty is that you act like your beliefs have scientific backing, while in most cases they are not, not only is there no evidence in support of them but they are attempting to flying in the face of a scientific Beaufort scale 12 wind.

reply to post by Harte


I think you're being a bit hard on the Chinese pyramids there!
They aren't mounds of earth, they're pyramids of pressed earth covered in mounds of earth - quite a different thing - we actually use pressed earth in the modern epoch sometimes it's stronger than concrete!
Plus the stuff they found in the first emperors pyramid is WAY cooler than anything found in the Egyptian ones
(I agree with the rest of your statement, just don't think you should dismiss the chinese pyramids outright)

reply to post by LUXUS


they would not be structurally designed the same way if LAB made. Some were of bond of woman and non MAN and so the unique ness would be lost in lab generates w/o LOVE aspect between ... to generate the growth and sustain . Also some were said to possess LARGE craves for flesh and blood so careful for what you wish. The Nephilem who switched frequency who are on other side as Raphiam . ... . are saved not destroyed but saved due to them not CREATING themselves like orphans somewhat and so are to be freed upon OPEN of ABYSS perhaps as activitres call the need for them to assist.

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