Bringing the giants back!

reply to post by Hanslune


Yeah, it's the weirdest dino I ever saw (I think they only have it's arm though so it's recreation is all a bit spurious)

Regarding the giants, I don't think it's beyond the pail that armies would just get their biggest men as champions - someone like Big Show from the WWF would definitely count as a giant when the average height was 5ft

This is an interesting tit-bit about one of the kings of Prussia and his giant regiment, tall people all over europe were sent to him as a tribute - they weren't meant to be all that effective though:
en.wikipedia.org...

Double post

Originally posted by MaxSteiner
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Yeah, it's the weirdest dino I ever saw

(I think they only have it's arm though so it's recreation is all a bit spurious)

Regarding the giants, I don't think it's beyond the pail that armies would just get their biggest men as champions - someone like Big Show from the WWF would definitely count as a giant when the average height was 5ft

This is an interesting tit-bit about one of the kings of Prussia and his giant regiment, tall people all over europe were sent to him as a tribute - they weren't meant to be all that effective though:
en.wikipedia.org...

Yes in British line regiments the tallest men would be assembled into a Grenadier company, the tallest and biggest. I think that is a common human strategy. I had wondered if that weird dinosaurs had a full skeleton - I would suspect tit might change in appearance as more discoveries are made. I believe the French did the same and the Swiss pikemen use to put the biggest guys in front too.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Somebody did a study of what a twenty foot human would look like

Large stubby elephant thick legs atop of which was a greatly expanded pelvis above which the body was enlarged to allow the lungs and heart to be much larger in porportion, small shoulders and short arms, thin neck and tiny head.

It being the opinion of that man that the brain would not scale up as it would be unable to gain enough oxygen if larger.

Kind of an 'elephant below and giraffe above', a pin headed one at that.

edit on 3/5/13 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

You all forgot the key ingredient, I'm so ashamed...

It is the same ingredient that allows elves to live to 10,000 years and fairies to fly blinking in and out of existence and dwarves to dig unstoppable through solid rock....

MAGIC!!!

Now don't you all feel a little dumb?

Originally posted by Hanslune

Yes in British line regiments the tallest men would be assembled into a Grenadier company, the tallest and biggest. I think that is a common human strategy. I had wondered if that weird dinosaurs had a full skeleton - I would suspect tit might change in appearance as more discoveries are made. I believe the French did the same and the Swiss pikemen use to put the biggest guys in front too.

Great way to reduce the average height of a nation to put the big guys up front where they were assured to die. I was visiting Russia back in high school and there was a Prince there back in medieval times that was 6'6" or 6'7" and he had armor to fit. He was considered a Giant and when I looked a normal set of armor that was under 5 foot I can see how a population of people around 4 to 5 feet would see a 6 or 7 footer as a Giant and in a few years after that person's death they would be 20 feet tall in the stories told.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Hanslune
Somebody did a study of what a twenty foot human would look like

Large stubby elephant thick legs atop of which was a greatly expanded pelvis above which the body was enlarged to allow the lungs and heart to be much larger in porportion, small shoulders and short arms, thin neck and tiny head.

It being the opinion of that man that the brain would not scale up as it would be unable to gain enough oxygen if larger.

Kind of an 'elephant below and giraffe above', a pin headed one at that.

edit on 3/5/13 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

You all forgot the key ingredient, I'm so ashamed...

It is the same ingredient that allows elves to live to 10,000 years and fairies to fly blinking in and out of existence and dwarves to dig unstoppable through solid rock....

MAGIC!!!

Now don't you all feel a little dumb?

Ah yes the conquerer of all: religion and or magic!

Originally posted by Xtrozero

He was considered a Giant and when I looked a normal set of armor that was under 5 foot I can see how a population of people around 4 to 5 feet would see a 6 or 7 footer as a Giant and in a few years after that person's death they would be 20 feet tall in the stories told.

'tis the way of the world and our way of looking at it.

reply to post by firegoggles


The angels (sons of God) or more correctly the Bene Elohim are actually the descendents of Cain

www.uncletaz.com...

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by firegoggles

 

The angels (sons of God) or more correctly the Bene Elohim are actually the descendents of Cain

www.uncletaz.com...

Those are fairly modern sources, and contain a number of anachronisms (such as "people who had last names during the reign of Solomon.")

In any case, in your original writings about the Native Americans showing up with large bones, I believe those were mammoth bones. A number of those in past times were identified as "bones of giants."

reply to post by Byrd


I would suspect that many 'giants' were finds of fossils or ancient bones. Few people of that time had any Ostelogy training.

If they found a leg like this what would a 18-19th century person with an education think they were? The only basis of knowledge that they might have would be the Bible and that mentions giants...

Sauropod leg bones - I mean no one would mistake these for a giants legs would they?

reply to post by Hanslune


That "evidence" against giants doesn't take into account the difference in our atmosphere at the height of their existence. In general I doubt our atmosphere could support large dinosaurs for the same reason extremely large humans couldn't live very long in the atmosphere we currently have. But in a world with larger amounts of oxygen in the atmosphere, larger bodies could be sustained. Look at the fossil record and you will find extremely large creatures from dragonflys as big as eagles to birds with 40 ft. wingspans. Their was a time when giants of every sort roamed the Earth. Is it really so hard to believe humans were excluded entirely from all time periods in which the Earth's atmosphere supported giant-ism? I think humanity has certainly lived during some of these periods. They probably existed before modern humans did and still existed as modern humans came about but by then were smaller then their predecessors due to changes in the atmosphere no longer supporting such large bodies, this would also mean that at that point they would no longer live as long as their smaller human counterparts, which is typical of most modern giants today.

reply to post by GrimReaper86


Howdy

Not sure how you are figuring this.

Depending on when you make our 'cut' to human.



The amount of oxygen in the atomsphere was greately reduced from the heyday of giant insects and so.
Based on the information in that chart the O2 wouldn't have been a contributing factor of HSS meeting a species of humanoid giant

If you like your data more technical




From the wiki page

Atmosphere

reply to post by Hanslune


But...we know that there are 4 foot people and we know there are 8 foot people (or very close) so does that mean that...By doubling the size of the 4 foot person, while keeping its proportions the same we increase the cross-sectional area of its muscles and bones by a factor of four while increasing its weight by a factor of eight. Simply put, strength increases with the square of height while bulk increases with the cube. Thus the weight of our 8 foot person is too great in relation to his strength?

reply to post by amazing


I think you are on the right track - obviously humans can get that tall but they usually have limited capabilities (there have been exceptions ) but for 12-15-20-30 footers I would propose that such a creature would not look human and if it was human looking it would be dead.

reply to post by Hanslune


Fair enough, but what do you think the tallest functioning human form could be? 9 ft? And by saying that it wouldn't look human if it were taller, are we talking like much thicker bones and legs for starters, say more of a caricature of a human form would be enough to make it functional? Fascinating discussion.

Originally posted by firegoggles

I so tire of people calling the Fallen Angels demons. Please go study. The Angels are Angels. The demon spirits that roam earth are the disembodied spirits that came out of the dead nephilm and other half angelic/half human creatures. So no angels fallen or otherwise are NOT demons. They may have a "demonic" nature or in another words have a very evil disposition, but we are talking about two separate beings.

True, if you believe the book of Enoch not to be apocryphal. Though I lean towards believing Enoch to be legit. It is true what your saying though, at least lets stipulate, then what about fallen angels/demons that rebelled after the whole nephilim ordeal? A third of the angels fell, and they are true demons, but what your referring to is the watchers who created the nephilim, yes disembodied spirits but what about the 3rd of angels who fell? "evil spirits" or disembodies spirits as you call them, are the actual spirits, but what about minions of satan, the ones who are doing evil deeds since the nephilim? And yes I have read all 3 books of Enoch

reply to post by honested3


It is not simply a question of man and angels, fallen or otherwise but we are talking about three genetic lines

1 The Elohim, the Gods

2 The Bene Elohim, literally the sons of the gods (angels) ie the line of Cain

3 The Bene Adam, the sons of adam (Man) ie the line of Seth

So originally the Elohim manipulated the genetics of a natural earth borne humanoid to advance its evolution prematurely resulting in man ( Adam and Eve)

Adam and eve had two sons Abel and Seth, these are humans ie the Adamic race. One of the Elohim however mated directly with Eve and the result was Cain who was half human on his mothers side but half god on his fathers side ie he was the first demigod or Titan.

The descendents of Cain were much taller then the adamic race and also much more intelligent. Cain built the first city as recorded in the bible and found himself a wife among the pre-adamic race of the world as also recorded in the bible. They kept themselves separate from man for thousands of years inventing and creating the wonders of the ancient world. In comparison the adamic race (Man) was primitive.

A day came however when these demigods broke with the laws given to them by their ancestors and they mated with the adamic race defiling themselves.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (descendents of Cain) came in unto the daughters of men (adamic race), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

And the Lord said unto Michael: ’Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness.

And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them

And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves

The resulting Nephilim were more animalistic then the Bene Elohim and began to fight with both the adamic race (Man).

became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood (cannibalism). Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

The real trouble however happened when the fathers of these Nephilim started to teach these barbaric creatures the knowledge which until then was forbidden to teach to humans for fear that they would abuse it.

Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were in heaven, which men were striving to learn."

The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.

Azazel is in fact Satin, the one who destroyed the ancient world and because of him the flood had to be sent by the Elohim which also wiped out the descendents of Cain save tubal-Cain and his father. Tubal-Cain had a son with the wife of Ham, nimrod (gilgamesh) was a descendent of this line and the first master of Freemasonry according to the old constitutions.

In "The Masonic Quiz Book", the question is asked, "Who was Nimrod", the answer is, "He was the son of Cush. In the old Constitutions referred to as one of the Founders of Freemasonry, and in the Scriptures as the architect of many cities."

If history be not ancient fable
Freemasons came from the Tower of Babel.

-Anonymous 1783, London

Thank you Luxus, this is a very fascinating subject. I do think that the Bible has some hidden truth in it and in this regards about the giants. Hopefully more and more discoveries will be unearthed to prove this once and for all. Let us also hope that the mainstream media will soon take an interest in this topic!

reply to post by Xtrozero


That sounds awesome...I'm 6'8" and always thought about how there had to be at least some guys back then who were as tall. Walking through museums and seeing the average size of armor, I used to joke to myself that finding armor for a guy my size back then must have been like me finding shoes pre-zappos/internet haha

do you have a name? I'd like to know more about this guy.

Originally posted by amazing
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Fair enough, but what do you think the tallest functioning human form could be? 9 ft? And by saying that it wouldn't look human if it were taller, are we talking like much thicker bones and legs for starters, say more of a caricature of a human form would be enough to make it functional? Fascinating discussion.

About 9 feet tall. At that point (and there are a few that height) the diameter of the bones versus height and weight is simply not sufficient -- their ankles and feet develop problems and their bones often break under the weight of their body (remember, it's a lot of weight pressing down on a small area about an inch or two in diameter. They tend to die very young. Andre the Giant (at 7'4") died at the relatively young age of 50 from heart failure -- a common problem in giants.