RON PAUL: Police manhunt for Boston Marathon bombing suspect scarier than attack

Originally posted by ivbnu
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

They could have gone to his house in the morning to see if he wanted to load up his backpack and go for a picnic. No harm there. Or simply followed him that morning, it's not a violation of his rights to tail him.

It simply would have been prudent. They have a billion dollar budget with 15000 agents there are two options; they did it or allowed it. Either way heads should roll- literally.

You are assuming they had prior knowledge that he was going to bomb the Boston marathon.

He was simple on some sort of watch list due to intelligence from Russia. I don't think the FBI has the capability to tail every person on their watch list 24/7.

And no, there aren't only two options...that type of black and white thinking is just plain ignorant.

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
are you suggesting that the government should just go out and arrest everyone who is on a watch list?

No, I'm suggesting that the Federal government should keep a tighter leash on their pets.

So you are suggesting that the Federal Government was behind this attack?

That is surprising, I expected more.

I think they were probably behind the attacks. I don't recall seeing any pictures of dozens of cops injured in some firefight, the several hundred injured spectators of the marathon, the improvised explosive devices allegedly used, the killed MIT cop, etc.

It could have been a hollywood act done by crisis actors. In fact it is speculated that the same thing happened in sandy hook nj.

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
In the end, they got both the suspects in only 4 days...kind of hard to argue with those results.

Uhm, it's only hard to argue if you neglect the fact that the CIA had Tamerlan years before the event actually occurred. The bombing itself was 100% preventable... everything which went down afterward was ass covering and unnecessary bullcrap.

Rregardless of whether they are Chechnian or government terrorists, the terrorists won AGAIN. Citizens were terrorized, inconvenienced, and freedom and liberty was, yet again, ordered to roll over and take it some more. EPIC FAIL by the system.

Did they have enough evidence to take Tamerlan into custody? He was on watch, yes, but are you suggesting that the government should just go out and arrest everyone who is on a watch list? That would cause a whole other round of complaints from people. Again, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm pretty sure that by now, the government doesn't really care about the response from the people. They will only use that as an excuse to strip us of our rights.

As if they care about what the people say. They don't even care about the people, let alone what the people say.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
are you suggesting that the government should just go out and arrest everyone who is on a watch list?

No, I'm suggesting that the Federal government should keep a tighter leash on their pets.

So you are suggesting that the Federal Government was behind this attack?

That is surprising, I expected more.

I think they were probably behind the attacks. I don't recall seeing any pictures of dozens of cops injured in some firefight, the several hundred injured spectators of the marathon, the improvised explosive devices allegedly used, the killed MIT cop, etc.

It could have been a hollywood act done by crisis actors. In fact it is speculated that the same thing happened in sandy hook nj.

I would not be surprised to find out that there are people claiming injuries that weren't even present.

Google search 'bus crash fraud in Philly', here is a sample of what happens surprisingly often:

Six people face fraud charges after they claimed to be hurt on a SEPTA bus. Two problems, only one of them was actually on the bus and, the bus never got in a crash. We’ll explain. SEPTA surveillance video shows a woman actually did fall on the Route 56 bus the night of Nov. 25 as the bus pulled up to the Wakeling Street stop along Torresdale Avenue. “The bus had not been in an accident or made any sudden maneuvers and no other passengers reported any injuries at the time,” according to a press release from Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office. The woman didn’t appear to be seriously hurt and authorities say she refused treatment, even though paramedics were called. Yet, SEPTA received $54,000 in medical bills from six different people – five of whom were never on the bus.

NBC

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I think they were probably behind the attacks. I don't recall seeing any pictures of dozens of cops injured in some firefight, the several hundred injured spectators of the marathon, the improvised explosive devices allegedly used, the killed MIT cop, etc.

It could have been a hollywood act done by crisis actors. In fact it is speculated that the same thing happened in sandy hook nj.

Well, then I invite you to go and seek out any of the victims or their families of these events and tell them that you think they are just actors and that their loved ones really didn't die or get maimed.

People keep asking me if I am scared for my safety in this thread...and it's only comments like these that make me scared to live in our society.

Originally posted by LogicGrind
reply to post by lynxpilot

 

Your first sentence does not discriminate other than 'well armed'. There are lots of well-armed people out there that are not idiots, and besides that, who are you to judge?

Your second sentence is not only a broad brush that insults any number of people solely because they are American public. This puts you on a mighty high horse. Reckon you can handle the fall?

If it makes you feel any better, I clarified my statement about armed people to not include all of them.

And for the second statement, I stand by it. I am part of the American public, by stating that the American public is stupid, it is a generalized observation. Meaning that more than not, if you encounter someone out in public...they are going to be stupid.

If it makes you feel any better, it's not just the American public...it is the entire world population. The stupid out-number the non-stupid.

edit on 30-4-2013 by LogicGrind because: (no reason given)

And you are definitely NOT HELPING anyone by making up excuses on behalf of the corrupt system.

Instead of being part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

The fourth amendment was violated in boston in many instances by the pictures I saw in another thread.

You even said there was a lockdown only in watertown, but if that is the case then why was business all over boston closed? Am I wrong here or what? There is a lot of confusion with the OS! The media does not have to prove anything apparently, only the conspiracy theorists do.

Originally posted by LogicGrind
reply to post by lynxpilot

 

Your first sentence does not discriminate other than 'well armed'. There are lots of well-armed people out there that are not idiots, and besides that, who are you to judge?

Your second sentence is not only a broad brush that insults any number of people solely because they are American public. This puts you on a mighty high horse. Reckon you can handle the fall?

If it makes you feel any better, I clarified my statement about armed people to not include all of them.

And for the second statement, I stand by it. I am part of the American public, by stating that the American public is stupid, it is a generalized observation. Meaning that more than not, if you encounter someone out in public...they are going to be stupid.

If it makes you feel any better, it's not just the American public...it is the entire world population. The stupid out-number the non-stupid.

edit on 30-4-2013 by LogicGrind because: (no reason given)

I just have to reiterate, who are you to judge? You haven't even supported arguments very well about constitutional history and fact, much less interpretation. Who's the idiot? You seem to be perfectly willing to accept the burgeoning domestic forces that are moving the US into a police state. A lot of people call such people 'sheep' or 'sheeple' because sheeple behavior is, well, frankly stupid. Who's stupid? If you're so discontented with the people you meet in public because, chances are, they're stupid, what can you do about it to remediate your situation? If you can't remediate or are discontented with the reality that you're stuck on this planet with a bunch of stupid people, then who's stupid?

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I orginally thought it was crackpot theory like you did, but now I am begininng to think otherwise.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

And you are definitely NOT HELPING anyone by making up excuses on behalf of the corrupt system.

Instead of being part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

That is all matter of opinion and perspective.

The fourth amendment was violated in boston in many instances by the pictures I saw in another thread.

You need to look up the phrase "Exigent Circumstances". There is case prescedent for what happened in Boston...hence it did not violate anything.

You even said there was a lockdown only in watertown, but if that is the case then why was business all over boston closed? Am I wrong here or what? There is a lot of confusion with the OS! The media does not have to prove anything apparently, only the conspiracy theorists do.

Define lockdown.

I only consider Watertown, and only a few blocks, as truly being locked down because people were absolutely not allowed out of their house or they would have at least been briefly detained and searched (rightly so). But that wasn't the case in Boston, people were free to go outside, drive around, and leave Boston if they wanted to. The city shut down certain services for safety reasons and ADVISED businesses to close.

The only true "lockdown" was in Watertown, the rest was simple extra safety precautions.

reply to post by lynxpilot

I just have to reiterate, who are you to judge? You haven't even supported arguments very well about constitutional history and fact, much less interpretation. Who's the idiot? You seem to be perfectly willing to accept the burgeoning domestic forces that are moving the US into a police state. A lot of people call such people 'sheep' or 'sheeple' because sheeple behavior is, well, frankly stupid. Who's stupid? If you're so discontented with the people you meet in public because, chances are, they're stupid, what can you do about it to remediate your situation? If you can't remediate or are discontented with the reality that you're stuck on this planet with a bunch of stupid people, then who's stupid?

I simply have my opinion...I stand by it.

The biggest problem I see with American public is that they actually don't think they are stupid...the dumbest people I know think they are smart.

Who said I am not happy with my reality? Just because I am surronded by idiots doesn't mean I don't enjoy myself. You seem very angry at the prospect that our society is stupid...but sorry...that is my opinion. There are stupid people everywhere...liberals, conservatives, libertarians....most of the Tea Pary, most of OWS....most of any group you can think of...most of them are idiots.

I don't mind that you don't like that I judge the American public, you are free to not like that...but I am free to judge them as I see them.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

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I orginally thought it was crackpot theory like you did, but now I am begininng to think otherwise.

I will continue to think it is a crackpot theory.

And it will contribute to my opinion that the American public is stupid.

Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Agreed!

I got really fired up over how this went down and got my first and hopefully last "Extreme T&C violation since I became a member of this site. Which I must say I deserved.....

But the idea of people thinking it is AOK to have people at gun point to be ushered by the "Gestapo" out of their homes when they have done nothing wrong and THEN seeing my fellow Americans defend this kind of action by the "Gestapo" really sent me over the edge........

That's sort of how I felt when Obama supporters gloated over his electoral win. And it's not so much the winning or losing, but the reasons why he won and why people still supported him even though his policies have thrust us even further into the Orwellian nightmare.
On the other hand, we have people who think that actors were paid to pretend they got their legs blown off. I think that is a bit over the top on this, and I am very much the CT.
Perhaps the real black OP in this is not actors pretending to be blown up, but in govt ops training people to carry out these things which are really happening, then producing the desired end result which would be the Orwellian Gestapo door to door check response to terrorism. After all that is the Hegelian activity here, the problem/reaction/solution being employed by those in the know.

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Even if what you say is true I cannot comprehend the need for federal agents to direct a search and arrest or search and kill for just two suspects. BPD and State Police could have handled it much more efficiently than DHS did.

And why the hell would they advise business to close down thus taking a hit in the billions for just two people? You really don't see the overkill factor here? Or advising people outside of watertown to stay in their homes when they could have been outside and assisted in this grossely overblown manhunt?

I am still waiting for the pictures of the alleged hundreds of injured spectators, dozens of police officers injured and the MIT dead cop. Don't dissapoint. Photoshop them if you need.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

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I orginally thought it was crackpot theory like you did, but now I am begininng to think otherwise.

Hi Earth, I know that there have been domestic anti-terrorism training exercises, and there was one in Florida where I used to live, but the difference is they announce it when they do it. I don't believe the Boston Bombing was such an activity. Whether there were govt OPs involved or whether it was just Chechen guys who hated America, it was still a crisis not to be wasted in it resulted in a Gestapo-like door to door search of the area.

Originally posted by LogicGrind
So you are suggesting that the Federal Government was behind this attack?

That is surprising, I expected more.

Not exactly. I think it is just one more example in a long string of cases in which one of their weapons went off the reservation and bit the hand that fed them. There's a world of difference between "the government did this" and "a government trained asset just went off the rails." Osama bin Laden is probably the most glaring example of this... CIA trained to be a weapon against the Soviets, ultimately turning his training and knowledge against the country that created him.

The Feds are behind these attacks as well as most modern dictators we have gone to war to defeat to the degree that the Federal government has created these boogeymen themselves.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Even if what you say is true I cannot comprehend the need for federal agents to direct a search and arrest or search and kill for just two suspects. BPD and State Police could have handled it much more efficiently than DHS did.

Where are you getting that DHS was conducting the house to house searches?

National guard was there for support, most likely called up by the governor of MA. And the FBI was there because this was being handled as a terrorist activity with a possible larger cell.

You seem to have a lot of wrong and false information, it is beginning to be hard to take you serious.

And why the hell would they advise business to close down thus taking a hit in the billions for just two people? You really don't see the overkill factor here? Or advising people outside of watertown to stay in their homes when they could have been outside and assisted in this grossely overblown manhunt?

Why wouldn't you?

If these two are looking for more targets...why not try to minimize the places where people are gathering?

I am still waiting for the pictures of the alleged hundreds of injured spectators, dozens of police officers injured and the MIT dead cop. Don't dissapoint. Photoshop them if you need.

Well I'm sorry but you are not entitled to see those pictures or videos. You are just an ordinary joe, no one has to satisfy your morbid sense of curiosity just so YOU don't think it is a conspiracy.

Have a little respect and try to understand that you are not important.

Originally posted by LogicGrind
You speak as if you aren't one of them. If you are an American, then you allowed it as well. Just because you disagree with what has happened, doesn't mean you take no responsibility in allowing it to happen.

Unless tax dollars constitute allowing something to happen, you'd be wrong on this. Bottom line here is the majority of America demonstrates their stupidity and fondness of the kneeling position with their voting record... why in the hell should any of us who insist on standing put our necks out for a bunch of willingly enslaved fools? Please don't confuse my vehement complaining and disdain for what the nation is becoming with a lack of overall apathy for the future of the flock. At my core I've stopped caring about the Americans who have allowed this to happen and now only care for my own. They've made their bed and can lay in it for eternity, but I have no plans to do the same.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
So you are suggesting that the Federal Government was behind this attack?

That is surprising, I expected more.

Not exactly. I think it is just one more example in a long string of cases in which one of their weapons went off the reservation and bit the hand that fed them. There's a world of difference between "the government did this" and "a government trained asset just went off the rails." Osama bin Laden is probably the most glaring example of this... CIA trained to be a weapon against the Soviets, ultimately turning his training and knowledge against the country that created him.

The Feds are behind these attacks as well as most modern dictators we have gone to war to defeat to the degree that the Federal government has created these boogeymen themselves.

So you are suggesting that these brothers were trained by the CIA? You have any proof of that at all or just pure speculation?

I think you may be the first person I've heard to suggest that these two were trained by the CIA to pull this off. I can make up "theories" too...I think they are aliens sent here to discourage us from running so we become fat and lazy, that way their invasion will be easier...I have exactly as much proof as you do for my speculation.

I am just blown away by the lack of logic in these discussions.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
You speak as if you aren't one of them. If you are an American, then you allowed it as well. Just because you disagree with what has happened, doesn't mean you take no responsibility in allowing it to happen.

Unless tax dollars constitute allowing something to happen, you'd be wrong on this. Bottom line here is the majority of America demonstrates their stupidity and fondness of the kneeling position with their voting record... why in the hell should any of us who insist on standing put our necks out for a bunch of willingly enslaved fools? Please don't confuse my vehement complaining and disdain for what the nation is becoming with a lack of overall apathy for the future of the flock. At my core I've stopped caring about the Americans who have allowed this to happen and now only care for my own. They've made their bed and can lay in it for eternity, but I have no plans to do the same.

If you are living in America, then you are lying in the same bed.

What exactly makes you so special that you can claim that you didn't allow "this" to happen? Even if you were somehow speaking out against it, or actively fighting against it...you failed...you lost...and you allowed "this" to happen.

If you are upset at the current state of America and you claim you are/were against it, you should be pointing at yourself for the blame...not others. If you somehow think you are living outside of "the system" that "others" have allowed to happen...then you are just lying to yourself.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

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I orginally thought it was crackpot theory like you did, but now I am begininng to think otherwise.

Hi Earth, I know that there have been domestic anti-terrorism training exercises, and there was one in Florida where I used to live, but the difference is they announce it when they do it. I don't believe the Boston Bombing was such an activity. Whether there were govt OPs involved or whether it was just Chechen guys who hated America, it was still a crisis not to be wasted in it resulted in a Gestapo-like door to door search of the area.

There WAS a terror drill planned in boston on that day. I am pretty sure of this. Apparently it went live but we will never know for sure. You are 100% correct about the gestapo door-to-door search of watertown and other areas.