RON PAUL: Police manhunt for Boston Marathon bombing suspect scarier than attack

Originally posted by LogicGrind
It's apples and oranges...one is someone making a claim and I asked for proof...the other is someone asking to see photos of dead and maimed bodies (which are all over the internet anyway) so he will believe that the Boston bombings actually happened.

Translation: It's different because it's all about what I want to see proof of.


Dude, both were about proving claims, thus logic dictates that your above argument holds no water. One man's paranoia is another man's gulibility and vice-versa. We all understand.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

There WAS a terror drill planned in boston on that day. I am pretty sure of this. Apparently it went live but we will never know for sure.

If there was, it would have been well published. Go find the proof...direct proof...not second hand "I heard Alex Jones say" proof.

The internet is forever...archives are all over the place.

InfoWars

Glo balResearch

Two sources are better than one. I think you can find more if you try. Are you interested in the truth?

edit on 30/4/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: damm links!

I specifically said no "Alex Jones"...and what do you do...you come back with an Alex Jones video....good grief.

And no, I can't find more...because that is all there is...just Alex Jones and this one guy saying he thinks he heard them talking about a drill. Yes, bang up evidence there.

And your one source talks about bomb sniffing dogs at the starting and finish line....YES...why wouldn't they have those there...that doesn't indicate a drill...that indicates ACTIVE SECURITY MEASURES.

Am I being trolled? I hope to god that I am.

Originally posted by ivbnu
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

I always look at who gains, they are usually the likely perps.
Seems to have been this way all through history. Terrorism is usually state sponsered.

I am a computer idiot so I don't know how to link andall that stuff but I'm sure if you just google it you will see what i'm talking about. You have to keep an eye on the bouncing ball.

So who do you think "gained" from this attack?

I don't see any gain at all...I see two idiots who came up with an idiotic plan that proved nothing of their beliefs. All I see is psychotics in action. Nothing was gained from my view.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
The guns criminals own, even if they own them illegally, were once purchased legally by some patriotic idiot practicing his 2nd amendment right.

That is one small example...stupid people need to be governed.

Really? Then you apparently believe Eric Holder is a "patriotic idiot practicing his 2nd amendment right?" Interesting...
Fast & Furious

What in the everloving hell do you do when the people governing the "stupid people" are even stupider, themselves? Oh wait, we're living it right now so I know what we do! We blame every freaking crime on one of the amendments to the Constitution and then use FEAR (the modern opiate of the masses) to get rid of those pesky rights that so unlogically hinder the jackasses in DC from doing their God-appointed duties of saving us all from ourselves.... *AHHHHH!!!!!!* Oh sweet Lord how did the human race survive their first 100,000 years of existence without having handholding from those sitting in ivory towers that try to rule over us?

Well that was quite the unhinged rant. Not sure how to respond to that.

Except that if you think we are more "ruled" now than we were in the past (as humans), then I think you need to re-visit some ancient history books.

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

There WAS a terror drill planned in boston on that day. I am pretty sure of this. Apparently it went live but we will never know for sure.

If there was, it would have been well published. Go find the proof...direct proof...not second hand "I heard Alex Jones say" proof.

The internet is forever...archives are all over the place.

InfoWars

Glo balResearch

Two sources are better than one. I think you can find more if you try. Are you interested in the truth?

edit on 30/4/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: damm links!

I specifically said no "Alex Jones"...and what do you do...you come back with an Alex Jones video....good grief.

And no, I can't find more...because that is all there is...just Alex Jones and this one guy saying he thinks he heard them talking about a drill. Yes, bang up evidence there.

And your one source talks about bomb sniffing dogs at the starting and finish line....YES...why wouldn't they have those there...that doesn't indicate a drill...that indicates ACTIVE SECURITY MEASURES.

Am I being trolled? I hope to god that I am.

Why do you have a problem with the source? Appeal to authority nonsense??

You are lucky I am bit drunk today and not feeling good.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

Well your bedtime story of bubbas with AR-15s is not well supported in a State where tougher gun control laws are in place. Not to mention that there didn't seem to be any Ar-15's involved in the Boston Bombing. Note that while tough gun laws are enacted in Massachusetts, they do allow for ALIENS to get permits AFTER getting training.

Aliens who reside in Massachusetts can apply for a "permit to possess non large capacity rifles and shotguns pursuant M.G.L. 140 s. 131H" directly with the Massachusetts Firearms Record Bureau. The applicants must receive firearms education at the FID or LTC-level and pass a 20-fingerprint FBI background check and interview. This permit is a "may issue" document similar to the FID but expiring December 31 of each year. The procedure requires about 16 weeks from application to delivery of the permit.

That means these guys didn't run out and grab guns on the open market the day before the incident. Plus there is NO law against having a PRESSURE COOKER.

Gun control laws have almost no bearing on this incident but pressure cookers with nails did.

Nanny Statism in Europe? Yep, how bout them Nanny Cams making sure parents feed their kids broccoli at dinner? How about the many traffic cams and the ones in the park that laugh at people in ridicule when they drop trash on the ground? How about that incident where the authorities wanted to take the obese kids from their parents for overfeeding them?

Yep some people are stupid in that they didn't get nutrition in school. Does that mean the State has the right to take their kids away?

It's quite clear you didn't understand that what I put forth was an example...and not pertaining to the Boston bombing.

And so it seems like you have a beef with cameras...I don't mind cameras at all. I stop at red lights, I don't care about red light cameras. If a child is in danger, I think it is fine for the government to step in to help them. Are you pro-life or pro-choice? If you are pro-life...why do you only care about the well being of a child before it is born? I'm pro-life, but I also care that children are properly cared for throughout their life.

Again...I simply don't have a problem with anything you listed. I also think it is fine to tax soda and junk food at the same rates as tobacco.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
What proof do you want of killing OBL?

Oh, I dunno, how about anything!!!

What we got was nothing other that the Meal Ticket going on TV and making a claim alongside a narative (which changed several times before they could even get their story straight). Sorry, I didn't vote for the Cult of Personality, I don't trust the Cult of Personality, and I wouldn't believe the Cult of Personality if he said water is wet. You can feel free to call it being paranoid, but then I can also feel free to call blind belief in a story sans any evidence being an easy, gulible mark. Sorry if you don't like that, but its the truth.

So what evidence would be ok with you? You say anything...but I just don't believe you.

What about the Seals that have come out with books and accounts of how the OBL raid went down? Are you calling them liars as well?

What do you want? A video of the raid? Come on, we both know you would just call it a fake and continue to deny it ever happened (I'm curious where you stand on Obama's BC?).

Admit it, you have made up your mind without any evidence and nothing is going to change it.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
It's apples and oranges...one is someone making a claim and I asked for proof...the other is someone asking to see photos of dead and maimed bodies (which are all over the internet anyway) so he will believe that the Boston bombings actually happened.

Translation: It's different because it's all about what I want to see proof of.

Dude, both were about proving claims, thus logic dictates that your above argument holds no water. One man's paranoia is another man's gulibility and vice-versa. We all understand.

edit on 30-4-2013 by burdman30ott6 because: (no reason given)

It's different because I am not making any claim...the Boston PD and the government is. He can ask them for proof all he wants...but he is simply not important enough for them to care about. This is just a fact.

On the other hand, we have a person in this very thread making a claim. He is actively participating in this discussion and should back up any claim he makes. You seem to be making excuses for him, probably because you know he can't back up anything he is saying just like every other person making pure speculative claims with nothing to back them up.

This isn't advanced logic...this is basic stuff...burden of proof.

reply to post by LogicGrind

Oh I see...one person's account is proof that a drill was happening.

The level of logic in this thread is just sad.

How about you go find me the announcement from an official source that a terrorism drill will be taking place at the Boston Marathon that was published BEFORE the marathon. Because they do publish them, it is always well published when a drill is taking place so people don't freak out.

Now go ahead, back up your claim with some actual evidence

This is my last response to Mr. ABC.........

What proof have you given in this whole thread other than your pathetic attempt to show you lack of intellect????

Seriously, you seem to be the only person on this thread calling people names like "idiots", "anal", "gun nuts" etc etc.....

You keep asking for proof and yet when people give it to you, you have the same kind of comeback to them as you just game me!!!!!! But what source or PROOF have you given in this whole thread????

Are you intellectually challenged? OR Are YOU the "TROLL", you see, I refrained from using that term to describe your attacks but seeing that you finally used it, I am throwing it right back at you!

As far as I am concerned, YOU are the person trolling this thread! YOU are the person demanding proof or a source and yet when some one provides you with it, you then deflect it!!!! You really do remind me of a person who was banned. Even though you have changed up your writing techniques to avoid detection, you and I have debated enough in the past that I can see past your poor attempts to hide your past identity!

I am 95% sure as to who you really are! I just hope you keep it up, so I can be 100% sure!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

There WAS a terror drill planned in boston on that day. I am pretty sure of this. Apparently it went live but we will never know for sure.

If there was, it would have been well published. Go find the proof...direct proof...not second hand "I heard Alex Jones say" proof.

The internet is forever...archives are all over the place.

InfoWars

Glo balResearch

Two sources are better than one. I think you can find more if you try. Are you interested in the truth?

edit on 30/4/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: damm links!

I specifically said no "Alex Jones"...and what do you do...you come back with an Alex Jones video....good grief.

And no, I can't find more...because that is all there is...just Alex Jones and this one guy saying he thinks he heard them talking about a drill. Yes, bang up evidence there.

And your one source talks about bomb sniffing dogs at the starting and finish line....YES...why wouldn't they have those there...that doesn't indicate a drill...that indicates ACTIVE SECURITY MEASURES.

Am I being trolled? I hope to god that I am.

Why do you have a problem with the source? Appeal to authority nonsense??

You are lucky I am bit drunk today and not feeling good.

I don't think you understand Appeal to Authority...you are backwards.

Alex Jones is not a credible source by any means...even by ATS standards...he is not a credible source.

But knowing that you listent to and trust Alex Jones allows me to further form my opinion of you, thanks,

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by LogicGrind
It's apples and oranges...one is someone making a claim and I asked for proof...the other is someone asking to see photos of dead and maimed bodies (which are all over the internet anyway) so he will believe that the Boston bombings actually happened.

Translation: It's different because it's all about what I want to see proof of.

Dude, both were about proving claims, thus logic dictates that your above argument holds no water. One man's paranoia is another man's gulibility and vice-versa. We all understand.

edit on 30-4-2013 by burdman30ott6 because: (no reason given)

It's different because I am not making any claim...the Boston PD and the government is. He can ask them for proof all he wants...but he is simply not important enough for them to care about. This is just a fact.

On the other hand, we have a person in this very thread making a claim. He is actively participating in this discussion and should back up any claim he makes. You seem to be making excuses for him, probably because you know he can't back up anything he is saying just like every other person making pure speculative claims with nothing to back them up.

This isn't advanced logic...this is basic stuff...burden of proof.

BS!! The government and the media HAS been making claims and they have backed up NOTHING! Just BEDTIME STORIES as far as I am concerned. They are also called fairy tales. I am not a damm child.

How can you expect ANYONE to believe outrageous claims without any proof? I mean pictures, victims talking, etc.??

reply to post by seeker1963

This is my last response to Mr. ABC.........

What proof have you given in this whole thread other than your pathetic attempt to show you lack of intellect????

Seriously, you seem to be the only person on this thread calling people names like "idiots", "anal", "gun nuts" etc etc

I'm only calling groups of people those names, I would never single anyone out. Except for Alex Jones...he is an idiot.

You keep asking for proof and yet when people give it to you, you have the same kind of comeback to them as you just game me!!!!!! But what source or PROOF have you given in this whole thread????

What claim have I made that you would like to see some proof of?

Are you intellectually challenged? OR Are YOU the "TROLL", you see, I refrained from using that term to describe your attacks but seeing that you finally used it, I am throwing it right back at you!

I think it is just a case of being in a foreign land (metaphorically). Figure it out.

As far as I am concerned, YOU are the person trolling this thread! YOU are the person demanding proof or a source and yet when some one provides you with it, you then deflect it!!!! You really do remind me of a person who was banned. Even though you have changed up your writing techniques to avoid detection, you and I have debated enough in the past that I can see past your poor attempts to hide you past identity!

Asking questions and asking for proof is trolling? That seems like an odd stance to take.

I'm sorry I don't take Alex Jones or one person who THINKS he heard an announcement at the marathon as "proof". These drills are well publicized for the reason that they don't want to cause panic...so where is the announcement from officials that a drill is taking place?

I could care less who you think I am, all I care about is the truth and facts...something that this thread is completely lacking in.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

BS!! The government and the media HAS been making claims and they have backed up NOTHING! Just BEDTIME STORIES as far as I am concerned. They are also called fairy tales. I am not a damm child.

How can you expect ANYONE to believe outrageous claims without any proof? I mean pictures, victims talking, etc.??

Have you not seen pictures? Have you not seen interviews of victims and people that were near by? Maybe you just aren't paying attention. Or maybe you aren't paying attention to the right sources...Alex Jones isn't going to have the facts...maybe start by not listening to him.

So you are mad that the media and the government are making claims with no "proof" (in your opinion)...but you are believing conspiracy theories that have even less proof.

So what does that make you?

reply to post by LogicGrind


It is NOT about me brother. It is about all the millions of americans that got deceived the past week! Don't you think THEY care about what happened to them? Really I am not important? Is anyone important? How brainwashed can you possibly be to think the government does not have to prove anything?

Originally posted by LogicGrind
Admit it, you have made up your mind without any evidence and nothing is going to change it.

...and exactly the same could be said about you. The difference is nobody (to my knowledge) has ever appointed you to be America's belief compass while most of what I'm bitching about does have the justification of the United States' Constitution standing behind it. 2nd Amendment, for example... feel free to bow down to the current establishment all you want over how we "need" new regulations, the fact is those regulations are illegal according to the Constitution. Lick the Boston gestapos' boots all you wish, regardless of your sycophant ways their actions violated the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 10th amendment. The bin Laden issue, in some ways, falls under a violation of the 1st in so much as anyone who dared question the official story was quickly attacked from all sides... to that I have to wonder what was so threatening about questioning the story? To quote the government butt kissers, "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear." Apparently, since questioning the official story created common reactions to the feeling of fear within the government (i.e. bristling, ad-hom attacks, and tangential straw grasping) they had something to hide. In that regard, as a tax payer and a native citizen I (and everyone else) have a right to know what they are hiding.

reply to post by LogicGrind


I have a beef with the fact that in our society we cannot do anything without a camera recording every freaking action. Yes, I have a beef with surveillance cams which are designed to keep us all in line. Yes, I have especially a beef with in-home cameras put in by the Nanny State to make sure citizens comply with Big Brother.

Didn't you ever read "Nineteen Eighty Four"?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

It is NOT about me brother. It is about all the millions of americans that got deceived the past week! Don't you think THEY care about what happened to them? Really I am not important? Is anyone important? How brainwashed can you possibly be to think the government does not have to prove anything?

What proof do you want exactly?

We have video of the bombs going off. We have pictures of people missing legs. We have audio of police shootouts and amateur video of polic shootouts with the suspects. We have one suspect in custody who reportedly admitted to the bombing. We have a witness who was carjacked who said they admitted to him that they were the bombers.

Unreleased, they claim to have video of them dropping their bags at the site and them blowing up...they aren't going to release that until after the trial.

What else do you want?

Originally posted by LogicGrind
It's different because I am not making any claim...the Boston PD and the government is. He can ask them for proof all he wants...but he is simply not important enough for them to care about. This is just a fact.

Semantical bullcrap! I'm wearing the ass ears because I expected more from this exercise and am simply not seeing it. He's regurgitating a claim just as you are. The fact that his claim generates from a non-authoritarian source whereas your claim generates from the government is meaningless. Maybe in the 1950s having government backing on a claim carried a bit of weight, but recent history has shown that the government is comprised of liars, cheats, whores, thieves, and buffoons to a degree atypical of all but the cheapest charnel houses and mob hangouts.

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by LogicGrind

 

It is NOT about me brother. It is about all the millions of americans that got deceived the past week! Don't you think THEY care about what happened to them? Really I am not important? Is anyone important? How brainwashed can you possibly be to think the government does not have to prove anything?

What proof do you want exactly?

We have video of the bombs going off. We have pictures of people missing legs. We have audio of police shootouts and amateur video of polic shootouts with the suspects. We have one suspect in custody who reportedly admitted to the bombing. We have a witness who was carjacked who said they admitted to him that they were the bombers.

Unreleased, they claim to have video of them dropping their bags at the site and them blowing up...they aren't going to release that until after the trial.

What else do you want?

Maybe you could of said all that earlier without being rude. I never said I was 100% this way or that way. All I am saying is the whole thing sounds suspicious to me. Less arrogance means listening to the message rather than attacking the messenger.

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by LogicGrind
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

There WAS a terror drill planned in boston on that day. I am pretty sure of this. Apparently it went live but we will never know for sure.

If there was, it would have been well published. Go find the proof...direct proof...not second hand "I heard Alex Jones say" proof.

The internet is forever...archives are all over the place.

InfoWars

Glo balResearch

Two sources are better than one. I think you can find more if you try. Are you interested in the truth?

edit on 30/4/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: damm links!

I specifically said no "Alex Jones"...and what do you do...you come back with an Alex Jones video....good grief.

And no, I can't find more...because that is all there is...just Alex Jones and this one guy saying he thinks he heard them talking about a drill. Yes, bang up evidence there.

And your one source talks about bomb sniffing dogs at the starting and finish line....YES...why wouldn't they have those there...that doesn't indicate a drill...that indicates ACTIVE SECURITY MEASURES.

Am I being trolled? I hope to god that I am.

Why do you have a problem with the source? Appeal to authority nonsense??

You are lucky I am bit drunk today and not feeling good.

I don't think you understand Appeal to Authority...you are backwards.

Alex Jones is not a credible source by any means...even by ATS standards...he is not a credible source.

But knowing that you listent to and trust Alex Jones allows me to further form my opinion of you, thanks,

Alex Jones is no less credible than any source you can link here. And you'd be hard pressed to prove my statement either true or false. Providing links from the internet doesn't lend credibility, nor does making broad-brush statements about somebody else's source take away from that source's credibility. The merit of your argument stands on your argument. It's not doing too well right now so far as I can see.

If nothing else, you seem to be satisfied with the status quo and that whatever the federal government does is OK. I apologize in advance if that's too general a statement. There are many others who would disagree. Those who do, stand mostly on the ground of the founding fathers, the Constitution, and the writings of those who both authored the Constitution and fought the battle to back it. I don't think there's any question that the overwhelming force shown in Boston (Watertown), Waco, Ruby Ridge, Kent State, and others is evidence enough that the power is in the wrong hands. If you disagree, fine. You can stay in your house in 'lockdown'. Others may not choose to do so. What's wrong with that?