Active Theocrats: The New Apostolic Reformation and The Seven Mountain Domionists

reply to post by spy66

The Plan for humanity is based on the principles of sharing, cooperation, practical brotherhood, right relationships between all people and between nations, and goodwill in action.

These beliefs give a new dimension to spiritual reality and a long-range perspective to our present crises. They provide opportunity for cooperation with the spiritual evolution of humanity and increase our capacity for freedom.

Actually, I don't see anything at all wrong with these points from your extext above.

As for feeling "free" - well, like a good little American Baby Boomer "is supposed to be," I am in debt, and feel trapped by that. The "American Dream" that my parents worked, successfully, no longer exists, and that steams me. I'll die in debt, of that I am pretty certain, therefore nothing will be left to go to my own children....makes me feel even more frustrated.

But, it is what it is, and I'm the one who is "feeling" trapped, frustrated, or fine (on most days)...no one can "make us" feel a certain way, unless we ALLOW THEM TO - and these mega-church leaders certainly know HOW to get people to willingly "Feel" guilty, ashamed, hopeful, and generous. They walk out of church feeling "relieved" that they just turned over $100.

Like studythem says, it's mass psychology using known and perfected techniques of group dynamics and ritual/routine.

I think it's quite possible that ALL of these 'masters' - from the Lucis Trust to the CFR to the Vatican and the NAR - are working together, with each reaching out to a certain segment of the population.

Interesting. It's the freethinkers that are their biggest threat - the freethinkers will resist it, and must be kept at bay. While these powerful manipulators do their thing, though, the freethinkers will never buy in to the program, thus becoming the enemy.

Also, as studythem pointed out, the "human shield" thing is frightening. No one would "want" to kill a kind and humble religious leader, but how many people would like to get rid of the WBC?

If one thinks about the "walls" built to keep the Westboro Baptist Church from picketing at funerals - enormous walls of motorcyclists revving their engines to drown them out and keep them away from the mourners - we see how it can work.

I don't doubt that there will continue to be riots, civil wars, bombings etc. as this all plays out. And I feel very worried and sad about that -

I see the populace being torn apart by these opposing "factions" - when what is really happening is the leaders are creating constant chaos, thereby keeping everyone so exhausted and war-weary and on edge that they will accept ANYTHING just to have some peace and order again.

THAT is what I see going on. And I don't see any way to disengage from speaking against it without becoming complicit.

reply to post by logical7

i am in favour of theocracy but something thats true to its meaning. Not a pseudo-theocracy where men get all power and become invincible in the name of God.

Please feel free to explain how a theocracy can be anything BUT power and invincibility in the name of "God."

As you and I have been working and talking together to do, we need to find the places we agree, and work from those.
As nations, as races and cultures. The very nature of "religious intolerance" is argument, us vs them, right vs wrong, and as long as any religion thinks that THEY are the ones who are RIGHT - and everyone else will go to hell, it would never be workable.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by seabag

 

The New World Order agenda includes a one world religion, but it certainly doesn’t sound anything like The Seven Mountain Domionists.

Okay.
I'll check out your link. I think that these Seven-Mountain-Dominionists are trying to bring about the NWO

Perhaps not the way the Illuminati do, though, but in their own way. Starting here in the USA.

I'd be very happy to have proof that I am mistaken.....
but so far....
it seems obvious and overt. And it worries me.

Please, feel free to disabuse me of my misunderstanding.
If I'm wrong, I want to know.

Bailey and all her fellow occultists proclaim the inner divinity of man - the "I am" similar to Christ consciousness. The NAR are involved in the same meditation techniques which produce the very same pronouncements. Bailey even stated that most of the work will be done through the Christian churches. Many in the churches and in secular society are practicing the emptying of the mind through Buddhist and Hinduism techniques and are thoroughly convinced that what they experience is of God - visions, experiences, voices, psychic powers, healings, levitations, miracles etc. This IS the common denominator and the method of unity.

Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 1 Corinthians 1:20-25

The "I am God" proclamations are in every facet of society - pantheism, god in all and all is god.

reply to post by WhoKnows100

Many in the churches and in secular society are practicing the emptying of the mind through Buddhist and Hinduism techniques and are thoroughly convinced that what they experience is of God - visions, experiences, voices, psychic powers, healings, levitations, miracles etc. This IS the common denominator and the method of unity.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here,
but these Dominionists and non-denominational churches - including the mega-churches (defined as having more than 12,000 followers) - are using standard brain-WASHING techniques that have been perfected over time.

The followers are not aware that they are being manipulated, and part of the technique involves creating a mindset that actually is UNABLE to see the flaws in their thinking, while READILY seeing the flaws in the thinking of others. It's mind control, and it's scary.

The Buddhists and Hindus are quite a peaceable bunch, and neither is framed under a "Godhead".

reply to post by wildtimes

Two:
There is an inner spiritual government of the planet, known under such different names as the spiritual Hierarchy, the society of Illumined Minds, or Christ and his Church, according to various religious traditions. Humanity is never left without spiritual guidance or direction under the Plan.

Didnt this catch your eye? J.F Kennedy stated practically the exact some thing. The difference here is that the Lucis Trust is a part of this Spiritual Government.
J.F Kennedy didnt mention who they were in his famous speach. But it is mentioned here " Christ and his church" There is a person who callse him self the Vicar Of Christ on earth today. Not even his fallowers are questioning the idiology of the papal see. Because it is very stealthy sneeky establishment.

There is a reason why sabbath is on a sunday. There is a reason why we all fallow the Gregorien callendar and all its its sabbath holly-days. But no one seams to care why!

The system has come so far that it dosen matter if you are a freethinker. If you want a nationality, place of your own, a job, you have to apply to the system. You must be numbered. You have a national indentification number, to be allowed to work and earn money. And you need these ID numbers so that you can travel, and so that they can track you and tax you.

Try and get ridd of your national identification number. They will ask you why or to what country are you moving to. You can not get ridd of this number unless you get a new one.

Try and work against the system. You will see and feel how thick the wall is.

Education: By law you have to send your kids to their schools. To be educated by their standard and their values. This starts already in kindergarden. >Kids today are sepending more time in their government astablishments then at home. This does not bother people at all. Because it is not just needed, it has become a common practice through time. It has become a normal thing to do for everyone. This is how stealthy the spiritual government is working.

The elite government recruits their people from certen schools, certen families. Presidens are recruited from these elite governments.

Just look at the history of Obama. Recruited into the CIA from a specific school which CIA uses. Now he is the presiden of the USA.

reply to post by wildtimes

WHY would you refuse to read it?

Can you answer that honestly?

You either have faith or you don’t. I have faith in God. I don’t need to be preached to by a pseudo intellectual atheist on how religion is bad.

I hear enough of that on ATS. No thanks!

reply to post by seabag

I don’t need to be preached to by a pseudo intellectual atheist on how religion is bad.

Not sure who you're accusing of being a pseudo-intellectual. The book I'm reading was written by Darrel Ray, Ed. D.
That means doctorate in education. He was a working psychologist for 30 years, and has studied the phenomenon of religiosity and its techniques for decades.

If you're referring to me, I hold a Masters Degree in Social Work.
Neither he nor I can be accused of being "pseudo-intellectuals." The 'pseudo-religious' charlatans are the ones doing the preaching that he and I are talking about.

But, again, I understand your reluctance to have a look at the other side of the picture.

reply to post by spy66

Education: By law you have to send your kids to their schools. To be educated by their standard and their values. This starts already in kindergarden.

No, not in the USA you don't "by law" have to send your kids to "their" schools.

You have choices - you can home-school (it's easy to register and free - I did it when my son was thinking of dropping out of Public High School) - or you can send them to private schools.

reply to post by spy66


I read the whole thing. The parts I re-posted are what I said I didn't see anything wrong with. The rest of it didn't strike me as worth "pushing". But again, thanks for the information.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by spy66

 

Education: By law you have to send your kids to their schools. To be educated by their standard and their values. This starts already in kindergarden.

No, not in the USA you don't "by law" have to send your kids to "their" schools.

You have choices - you can home-school (it's easy to register and free - I did it when my son was thinking of dropping out of Public High School) - or you can send them to private schools.

Okay not for all, but for the moste of them it is.

School attendance is compulsory for most but not all children in the United States, but the age range for which school attendance is required varies from state to state. It begins between the ages of five and eight and ends between age 16 and 18.[25] Some states allow students to leave school between 14–17 with parental permission, before finishing high school; other states require students to stay in school until age 18. Many states do however allow gifted and talented students to accelerate their education so as to finish all educational requirements early.

reply to post by wildtimes

Not sure who you're accusing of being a pseudo-intellectual. The book I'm reading was written by Darrel Ray, Ed. D.
That means doctorate in education. He was a working psychologist for 30 years, and has studied the phenomenon of religiosity and its techniques for decades.

I know what it means, thanks!

I was referring to “dr” Ray. I don’t drink from the fountain of atheism. You are free to partake but I get enough of that garbage already.

If you're referring to me, I hold a Masters Degree in Social Work.
Neither he nor I can be accused of being "pseudo-intellectuals."

Good for you! I have a BS in Business Management.

And sure I can accuse him of being a pseudo intellectual!! I think all atheists are!

Pseudo-intellectuals are people of average intelligence who are enchanted with highly intellectual topics and discussions such as philosophy, socioeconomics, destiny of humanity, etc.

Urban Dictionary

Just because someone has a Ed.D. doesn’t mean they necessarily have above average intelligence, especially when they spend their time trying to disprove documents that have been studied for thousands of years. It just means the guy has an interest in brainwashing/indoctrinating others. There are plenty of wackos with an education. A degree doesn't make you infallible.

Please explain why those with a PhD in Biblical & Theological Studies are wrong in their beliefs in God.

Like I said, you either have faith or you don’t.

The 'pseudo-religious' charlatans are the ones doing the preaching that he and I are talking about.

Your opinion!

But, again, I understand your reluctance to have a look at the other side of the picture.

That’s kind of condescending, no?

You don’t think all people have questioned their existence at some point? I didn't find faith by NOT seeking answers!

reply to post by spy66

Okay not for all, but for the moste of them it is.

No, it isn't, spy66. EVERY FAMILY has the right to choose home schooling or private schools. The Public Schools are a socialist-type structure that ensures that every child has ACCESS to "Free and Appropriate Public Education." (Although there's ALWAYS a fee, every year, to enroll them... )

Those public schools have to meet federal guidelines in order to be "accredited" - which is important if the student wants higher education - but any student can achieve a GED (General Equivalency Diploma) which is considered the same as having finished an "accredited" high school.

Nevertheless, kids can drop out before they graduate. Your own ex-text shows this.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by spy66

 

I read the whole thing. The parts I re-posted are what I said I didn't see anything wrong with. The rest of it didn't strike me as worth "pushing". But again, thanks for the information.

True. That is the whole point. You are not sepoused to react. That way it will be accepted, because there is no harm present. on the surface.

Don't you see the difference yet between the charm of the 7 mountain movement and the present one?
The present spritual government is so stealthy that you wont even notice it. You do notice the 7 mountain movement and react negative. You do not react to something that advocate peace and unity. That is why it is being used.

reply to post by seabag

That’s kind of condescending, no?

You don’t think all people have questioned their existence at some point? I didn't find faith by NOT seeking answers!

It wasn't meant to be condescending...it was meant to be validating. Sorry if it came across that way. There are things I choose not to read, also. But the more I force myself to do it - as distasteful as some of it is to me - the more I learn about the ways people DO think...and that is what interests me.

Yes, I think all people have questioned their existence at some point.

And sure I can accuse him of being a pseudo intellectual!! I think all atheists are!

Yes, you can "accuse" him, and "all atheists" of it, but that doesn't make it true. It just makes it your opinion. Writing people off just because they don't "have faith" is impertinent. You don't know what my "level of intelligence" is, or his.

Being dismissive like that doesn't help mutual understanding.

reply to post by spy66

Don't you see the difference yet between the charm of the 7 mountain movement and the present one?

I've already stated that I see how they are working at the same thing - control of the masses - in different ways.

EDIT: Are you located in the USA, spy66?

reply to post by wildtimes

It wasn't meant to be condescending...it was meant to be validating. Sorry if it came across that way.

No worries!

There are things I choose not to read, also. But the more I force myself to do it - as distasteful as some of it is to me - the more I learn about the ways people DO think...and that is what interests me.

I’ve read plenty that is distasteful. It is interesting to see other ways of thinking and perceiving the world we share, which is one reason I keep coming back to ATS.

Back on topic: My beliefs are just that; my own beliefs. I don’t wish to impose my beliefs on others and I don’t like when others impose their beliefs on me. All religious organizations need to stay the hell out of government…religion has no place in government. If we allow some wacky “Christians” to rule the roost then one day it may be Muslims who have the power to shove their theocracy down our throats (like they do in most ME countries). It's wrong no matter what group is doing it!

reply to post by seabag

All religious organizations need to stay the hell out of government…religion has no place in government. If we allow some wacky “Christians” to rule the roost then one day it may be Muslims who have the power to shove their theocracy down our throats (like they do in most ME countries). It's wrong no matter what group is doing it!

Coolio, then!
I'll be proud to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you to keep them out. Deal??

reply to post by wildtimes

Coolio, then!
I'll be proud to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you to keep them out. Deal??

Well sure! I’ve always maintained that position.

As I've stated, the Establishment Clause of the 1st amendment is clear and I support the constitution!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . .

There should be NO establishment of a national religion by Congress and no religious preference by the federal government. I support the fact that federal law bars all tax-exempt organizations that hold 501c status from meddling in elections or endorsing candidates for public office.

reply to post by seabag

I support the fact that federal law bars all tax-exempt organizations that hold 501c status from meddling in elections or endorsing candidates for public office.

But...but....
they do it anyway, inside their institutions...

As far as I know, there aren't police or other LEOs shutting down churches whose preachers want Rick Perry or Mitt Romney in office, are there? I hope for the day when a person's religion has NOTHING to do with their campaign platform.

It was pretty awful last year.

reply to post by seabag


What if, in fact, these people who promote Christianity are actually promoting Satan!!?? I mean I believe the bible was a story twisted into the "fact" that Jesus was a son of God, divine and far above any reach of a worthless human. I really believe that Jesus was an enlightened HUMAN. Therefore in my opinion Christianity and the Bible is either knowingly or unknowingly promoting SATAN. Therefore contributing to the NWO and it's Satanic reign.
Just a thought.