Flu mutating 8 times faster than any flu virus known

Thanks OP

In a solar maximum year, such as the year 2013, we may well have a flu or disease pandemic as every solar maximum year has had pandemics.
I believe India at present has an outbreak affecting over 500 people of chicken pox and measles. This outbreak INCLUDES those who have been vaccinated.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

Why is this interesting? Well, the theory goes that viruses mutate during a solar maximum due to extra radiation.

The present H7N9 virus is believed to be a mix of three different viruses. Now, is that a naturally mutating virus or something else? We will never know, but for such a virus to exist during a solar max is eerie.

www.myhealthnewsdaily.com...

reply to post by Elliot


Your input about solar max and mutations has some data and evidence to support it. It hasn't been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt so it is not written in scientific books yet. There seem to be some variables that are not known also, possibly chemical in nature.

Solar max is often a time of civil unrest for some reason. There is evidence of both of these things going back over a thousand years. Our governments in the world are aware of this as far as I can tell, it is old knowledge that has not been discarded.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Well, that is good news because now we are aware of it but overall it is bad news for a lot of people. If this mutation is occurring this fast, vaccinations may be impossible. Keeping a body that has energy to fight but not enough chemistry to cause a cyklotine storm may be the best defense for this one.

It could be GMO rice that is teaching this virus to mutate.

From Wikipedia GMO rice page:

Scientists are genetically modifying rice for several purposes includes making rice resistant to herbicides, diseases, and pests, increasing nutritional value, eliminating rice allergies, producing human blood protein...

See how the human blood protein changes with the rice? The virus is learning off the mutated human blood protein.

One could guess that the rice is engineered in the first place to modify humans to survive only eating GMO foodstuffs, and to get sick off of non- GMOs. The virus could have been engineered, to attack those without the GMO diets.

Where it should be subtle population control, something is advertised to be out of control. That does not mean it is an accident, and it does not mean it is out of control.

Consider the fact that China is starting the programs to selectively breed people, and there are over a billion of them. Although the epidemic would kill some people and incapacitate many for a long time, who is going to profit from the vaccine?

Some points to ponder but it started with the influence from the plants which made the humans vulnerable to the illness from the birds.

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Scary though :/

Why do they have to mess with our food. I honestly don't think they know what they are messing with or the complete outcome of it.

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Numerous people have tried and failed to make an effective vaccine for H7N9 - those that do work need mega doses. Vaccine production is slow so the only way to get enough H7N9 vaccine to the masses would be with 5-6 parts adjuvants. NOT GOOD!!!

I'm on the fence about this one. I've not had a vaccine in many years and subsequently have not had the flu. But this one seems fairly scary to me. It may mutate to a much lessor strain, but I think I might get the vaccine this time around if they isolate it's properties in time.

I'm certain around the corner there will be a major flu outbreak that will kill millions upon millions at some point. This one has all the makings. I've been anti vaccine for nearly a decade, but.........

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6 months to make a vaccine. I have a sinking feeling the vaccine will cause more deaths than the virus in the end but that will not be announced.

Stick close to Soficrows threads on this because during the last pandemic she did save lives and brought awareness and questions to the forefront that otherwise would not have been asked. I know it saved lives in my family and opened eyes at the local hospital when I was seemingly privy to info that they were keeping under wraps...

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I didnt see you here until I started reading backwards.

yes, this is what I sense as well and if China gets the contracts for the vaccines, then it is game over for millions of people who will be playing russian roulette with their lives.

Funny thing is it will be so well advertised that the campaign will have people begging for the vaccine, which we KNOW will be in such "limited supply" that it will be like a status symbol and the popular thing to do.

*Better add that the junk vaccines will never be in short supply*

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And vaccines do not work well for H7 strains - large doses needed when they do - which means LOTS of adjuvant.

Vaccine development for H7N9 flu problematic: Viruses in H7 family prove resistant to vaccines developed so far

…clinical trials of vaccines made to protect against other viruses in the H7 family have shown the vaccines don't induce much of an immune response, even when people are given what would be considered very large doses.

"In all cases where these vaccines were trialed, it was found that the vaccines were poorly immunogenic," said Nancy Cox, the virologist who heads the influenza branch at the U.S. Centers for Diseases Control in Atlanta.

…Countries with standing pandemic flu vaccine contracts are holding off on making a decision about whether to order H7N9 vaccine, watching how the outbreak unfolds. Meanwhile, vaccine manufacturing facilities are still tied up with the production of regular vaccine for the 2013-14 Northern Hemisphere flu season.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

IF they can make a vaccine in time (They're wayyy late for starting and nothing was going yet. This strain is new to form and mutate) then I may even take a flu shot myself.

Why do you think they are late on starting?

The next flu season won't start until October and they probably haven't even started on making the vaccine yet for that season.

Originally posted by 727Sky

One thing about it if you do get this bug it appears the faster an admittance to the hospital the chances of survival do increase. Still to sketchy to get a handle on this new virus but it does seem to be spreading.

Interesting... wonder what is done in the hospital to help fight the virus.

I mean, aside from antibiotics to fight secondary bacterial/fungal infections, and immunomodifiers to help reduce cell damage during cytokine storms, what if anything is done in a hospital setting to actually fight the virus itself?

I'm skeptical of hospitals because other than surgery for physical, urgent repair, or ambulatory care, my history of being at the hospital was getting sicker, more infections etc such as MRSA and CDIFF both which I never had a case of until visits to the hospital for stiches, chest pains.

I thought the WHO had said they couldn't make a vaccine for H&N9 because of how fast it is mutating.

What's the point in having a vaccine for something that has changed massively?

Originally posted by below


Interesting... wonder what is done in the hospital to help fight the virus.

Honestly, it's probably IV fluids and attention from medical staff. People really underestimate how easy it is to dehydrate when you're throwing up and/or experiencing diarrhea, both common in most flu and flu-like illnesses. You'd be surprised how quickly some patients with viral infections perk up after a bag or two of normal saline.

This pdf document "One Flu" helps explain what's happening - and what authorities think needs to be done. Reading between the lines, I'd say it's a rationale for corporate control of our global food supply. ...Also note - the recommended public health response relies solely on vaccines. That would be because there is nothing else to do except change our understanding of disease and evolution, and our economic/medical paradigm.

One Flu

The Influenza Virus “Gene Pool”
• Historical literature and complex surveillance and gene sequence analysis of influenza viruses in nature suggests that gene segments of influenza A viruses are uniquely promiscuous within their primary aquatic bird reservoir - constant reassortment and transient gene constellations
• Much greater gene constellation stability appears to exist when a successful 8 segment gene constellation jumps from aquatic birds to infect a secondary host such as poultry, pigs, horses, humans etc.
• The adaption to the secondary host provides a “stabilized” 8 segment genome that then is transmitted
onwards

H1N1
Genes originating from viruses of three animal species and two hemispheres

One Flu is a Public and Animal Health Partnership

Getting Back to Push Button Risk Assessment
• Influenza pandemics and epidemics are unpredictable
• All human pandemic influenza viruses acquired some or all of their gene segments from the avian influenza A virus gene pool
• Diverse influenza A viruses are widely distributed globally in their natural reserviors
• Once there is a jump into an “unnatural” host many things can occur: dead end replication; limited onward transmission; widespread transmission in a region; global pandemic
• Sporadic transmission to humans of a novel influenza
virus is a red flag and public health risk assessment must occur

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Aside from the scientific side to all this my CT mindset thinks they just may have hit pay dirt on this one and in the scheme of things it was a manufactured virus in the first place. Man made or natural it just seems as if they are wanting to see billions taken off the bottom feeder status. As we see consumers continue to multiply and agriculture and resources dwindle to alarming numbers, water and pollution from over worked factory output, it is a small wonder why they would want to eliminate people rapidly and soon.

I do not trust the vaccines that are going to come out of this yet anyone who refuses will fast become criminal and social pariahs.

reply to post by antar

...my CT mindset thinks they just may have hit pay dirt on this one and in the scheme of things it was a manufactured virus in the first place. Man made or natural it just seems as if they are wanting to see billions taken off the bottom feeder status. As we see consumers continue to multiply and agriculture and resources dwindle to alarming numbers, water and pollution from over worked factory output, it is a small wonder why they would want to eliminate people rapidly and soon.

Uh huh. ...But remember when people were "people" or "voters" or "citizens" - and not just "consumers"?

I do not trust the vaccines that are going to come out of this yet anyone who refuses will fast become criminal and social pariahs.

No kidding. Fast tracked vaccines with mega-dosed adjuvants. ...Remember the forced quarantine CT scares? It will be vaccine "consumers" demanding our incarceration.

Originally posted by Knives4eyes
Whenever I see this topic it always brings me back to this news story I read long ago. It's a rather curious story about a scientist who makes 5 mutations to a varation of bird flu making it extremely contagious.


In that experiment, researchers had taken a bird flu gene and put it in the swine flu virus that started spreading between people a couple of years ago. Mice infected with this lab-created virus got very, very sick.



www.npr.org...

I'm surprised no one else has commented on this.

I remember reading this (and the other experiment mentioned at the end of the article) when it first came out.

So we know of at least two labs that have mutated this virus into something that be spread amongst humans. This was done under unknown conditions. Who knows how controlled it was, or what happened with the information or mutated virus/animals afterwards? Nobody even knew the one guy had done it until he talked about it at a conference!! It was investigated AFTER the fact. Did the guy even have the correct kind of facilities to control it?

This is scary stuff. The sort of sci-fi that we speculate about and hope never really happens. It is only a matter of time before a pandemic happens, and it may very well already be under way.

So the specialists are amazed at how fast its mutating. Nine times faster than it should have been able to. Ummmm....maybe because it was purposely engineered that way and then got back out?

Very wierd times we live in. I think that if and when this reaches the states, a nice long extended camping trip in the mountains will be a good idea, because no one in my family will be taking a rushed vaccine that will likely be more dangerous than the virus.

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If that's the kind of 'thing' mad scientists are doing and admitting to doing, what on earth are they doing in secret, in possibly uncontrolled conditions!

Just had a 'Twelve Monkeys' panic attack!!!!!!!!!!