Flu mutating 8 times faster than any flu virus known

Originally posted by madmac5150
Why is no one asking why these flu strains keep popping up in China. The Chinese government would NEVER test bio-weapons on its own people, would they?

See my current thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...
False Flag Virus Attack on Citizens

Hell, yes, a country may do it to their own. It would be the perfect way to "naturally" eliminate the old folk, the "useless eaters."
It could happen here or any major Western country as a way out for the immense problem that the aging populations represent to strapped governments.

Originally posted by Rockerchic4God
As I have much experience with ER's from being a social worker of sorts, I know that if you showed up there claiming you had a serious flu like that, they would just give you the bum's rush and send you home with instructions for rest and liquids. They wouldn't even do a test to rule it out!

They never tested anyone for the Swine Flu when it was around. If you had a sniffle, it was Swine Flu. That's how they managed to rig statistics to make it look worse than it was so people would rush to them to be saved.

Good try medical industry, but I won't be allowing you to "save" me from this one either...

Originally posted by Rezlooper
There are already widespread outbreaks of dengue and malaria both this year but nilly a word in the media.

There has been a substantial amount of reporting on both diseases (most notably, the Dengue cases we've been seeing in Florida and Louisiana this year) in the medical media. You probably don't see it on front pages of mass media because people: a) won't understand it and b) won't be interested enough. Just because you're not seeing it in your media doesn't mean it isn't being reported on

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
They never tested anyone for the Swine Flu when it was around. If you had a sniffle, it was Swine Flu. That's how they managed to rig statistics to make it look worse than it was so people would rush to them to be saved.

Good try medical industry, but I won't be allowing you to "save" me from this one either...

edit on 27/4/13 by NuclearPaul because: typo

I'm not sure where you're getting your information...we never "reported" someone as having swine flu unless it was confirmed by testing in any of the three hospitals I work at. Most of the people we treated for flu without testing were the patients who come to the ER demanding Tamiflu before they even see a nurse or doctor, and who didn't understand that Tamiflu wouldn't help them (though the placebo effect is strong).

It's only a matter of time before these things mutate to become a plague. It takes humans many generations to be able to successfully build up adequate traits for changes. Many generations of a virus or bacteria occur in a single day. They aren't as evolved as humans and they don't have symbiotic relationships with many types of microbes, but viruses are a formidable opponent. They can whip our butt sometimes.

Sometimes I wonder if there are some beneficial viruses that we live synergenically with.

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Luckily, we have the ability to develop infection prevention protocols, antibacterials, antivirals, antifungals, sepsis protocols, and advanced technologies

That's not to say there won't ever be another devastating plague. Chances are we will. I just think it won't be as devastating, at least to the first world nations.

reply to post by InternalMedDoc


Yah. Clay and Activated Charcoal kill just about everything. Hard on the gut fluora though. Trouble is that when you have a massive dieoff, it releases a lot of bad fluids from these good little critters that can make you sick.

reply to post by rickymouse


Which is why you use antibiotics specific for the bacteria you're trying to kil (gram positives versus gram negatives, aerobes versus anaerobes, and so on). Much more effective than "old tech".

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It was Ferrets. Not Mice.

reply to post by InternalMedDoc


Without knowing the type of bacteria, how does a doctor know what type it is to prescribe antibiotics? Most times there is no testing because insurance companies do not like to pay the extra.

reply to post by rickymouse


Usually, we can tell by the symptoms.

Profuse watery diarrhea after a picnic? Could be E. coli.

Watery diarrhea in someone that eats lots of fish or shellfish? Very well could be vibrio marinus.

Lots of yellowish diarrhea that the patient describes as "the worst smelling thing I have ever smelled in my life"? Very, very likely to be C. difficile.

Bloody diarrhea? Probably campylobacter, shigella, or salmonella.

A good history and physical goes a long way in medicine. If I can narrow it down to a couple or a few somewhat related bacteria, I give a single antibiotic a try. If that doesn't work, I can always just get a stool culture. Relatively cheap and easy.

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Your post gave me something to study. I researched the microbes, the antibiotics used, and some of the toxins created by the microbes to find out what common chemistry can be used to neutralize the toxins. I have a lot more studying on the origin of the antibiotics that can be used to treat these and where to find them in nature. but it's getting late so I'll leave that for tomorrow..

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Well, I'm glad I inspired someone to expand their knowledge Knowing more is never a bad thing.

reply to post by InternalMedDoc


Been studying this stuff for six years now pretty steady. It requires a lot of reading on individual plant defense system chemicals and pretty intense research on the pharmaceutical drugs origins. Basically I try to take apart the chemistry of the drugs and find it in nature. I also study ancient writings to find out if they contain anything, which they do. I also do a lot of research on European sites and in India. Asian medicine is a little harder for me to understand. Pharma companies do this kind of stuff all the time. Creating a patentable drug to sell is the hard part.

reply to post by rickymouse


True, lots of drugs have their roots in plants or older medications. I would caution you, though, that controlled dosage is incredibly hard to achieve with many compounds, so just be careful! No sense in making yourself sicker because of a hard-to-measure dose or impure product!

Originally posted by InternalMedDoc
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True, lots of drugs have their roots in plants or older medications. I would caution you, though, that controlled dosage is incredibly hard to achieve with many compounds, so just be careful! No sense in making yourself sicker because of a hard-to-measure dose or impure product!

You aren't telling me anything I haven't found out the hard way, testing some of these things on myself and finding how simple things interact can lead to some problems. Got locked out of niacin, then B12, along with a whole slew of side effects. Pretty much got things under control.

Was on anti-epileptic drugs and they almost killed me. I grew up in the copper country, lots of copper in the water from the copper mines being used for water supplies for a long time. We ate a lot of rabbit and partridge when I was a kid, something that was going on for generations. Sometimes you don't spit out all those bbs and eat some. That was going on for many generations. So pee that turns dark brown/purplish in the sun is something I have seen a lot of up there. The body adapts over the generations. Get a low body temperature though which lowers some enzymes and makes you so you can't eat some foods. Funny how people drink a lot of beer in the area to cancel out the copper in the water. If they quit, there is a local sausage company and people used to eat smoked fish. Now being a hundred miles east in another mining town with Iron ore mines. Just happens to be a lot of old gold mines that used to be in this area also. Mercury was used in gold mines. there were a lot of bars here for the miners and cudaghi and Italian sausages everywhere because of the Italians.. A generous amount of bound glutamates can balance out those metals that cause problems and create depression.

People around here were meat and potato eaters with some carrots and green beans. Some of those veggies that suppress liver function and thyroid function are not good for us. At least I don't have the skin problems, my AIP is many generations old. One of these days I gotta go somewhere to get genetic testing so there is proof. I had a grandmother that went looney on meds. A cousin that went looney on a single shot of thorsene. Lots of relatives allergic to sulfonamides and sulfa.

Oh well, so I can't take a lot of meds and I can't eat many foods that others eat. The biggest problem I have is that foods that can control my TLE are in contradiction with my AIP and Wilsons. Foods are drugs, people don't realize how strong they are.

Well guys... I bring an update I wish I didn't have here to share. I really wish this wasn't what it is ...and lets hope it's overreaction to a bad cold or something else. Anything else. If not, then the Human to Human transmission question may have it's answer ...the jury may have returned with their verdict and as the song goes, 'no reprieve on the docket today.'

Taipei, April 24 (CNA) Three hospital personnel have developed respiratory symptoms after coming into contact with Taiwan's first confirmed case of H7N9 avian flu, the Central Epidemic Command Center said Wednesday. All three had taken proper protective measures when providing medical care for the patient, a 53-year-old man who fell ill three days after retuning from China's Jiangsu Province, one of the H7N9-affected areas, the center said. A survey of the epidemic situation showed that 139 local people had come into contact with the man, a Taiwanese businessman based in Jiangsu's Suzhou area, the center sa

Now it;s very important to note here, it's preliminary in that many others had contact with this patient and have NOT developed possible symptoms of contracting the illness. Who knows what other patients these 3 had contact with who carried other things? At the same time, the story notes that Taiwan is taking the development very seriously in case it isn't a passing issue that turns out to be unrelated.

Two of China's largest cities -- Shanghai and Beijing -- as well as five Chinese provinces -- Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Anhui, Henan and Shandong -- have reported confirmed infections. As of 8 a.m. Wednesday, Taiwan had reported 129 suspected H7N9 cases, 128 of which have been ruled out as H7N9 infections, said Chou Jih-haw, deputy director-general of the Centers for Disease Control under the Department of Health.

Source

As the second part of the story quote indicates, this is also a very fluid situation (NO pun intended. Not on this) where suspected and confirmed cases are a world apart. One may have no relation to the other in the end result, in fact. It makes for more bright hope that these 3 are simply showing something entirely different.

It would also seem with Beijing and Shanghai directly involved for their dense populations, the world won't have too long to wonder if the mutation carries into a Human to Human form. At these mortality rates, it strikes me as a wildfire if it crosses that barrier without losing virulence?

* Heck with it.. We're all adults here and Doom Porn can be evaluated for the data it carries without flipping out about what 90% of this shows for normal "Just another day on Earth with nature".

Disease / Medical Outbreak Reports - Data Feeds

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thanks for posting Wabbit maybe a new twist....Time will tell.

reply to post by 727Sky


Reader's Digest fan?

Anyway, I think they are working on their epidemic killer bug. Ever since bird flu and swine flu became household names, I swear they are preparing us for something, like cooking a frog by gradually turning up the heat. There will be little scares here and there. And then it will hit us like a ton of bricks and everything will change... We have security measures in place for terrorism and drug smugglers and stuff... Imagine if we had to protect from viruses...

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Well if their security measures work as good as they did at Boston and the virus is aggressive in its' human to human transmission then we are screwed no doubt......