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Well God's Word has been edited, mistranslated, revised, and changed by men with an agenda. They also left out many books of importance.

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nancyliedersdeaddog
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You claim Freemasons are pretentious yet you are claiming Augustus isn't worthy of your information. Why not tell us all why your Grandfather didn't accept becoming a 33rd degree Mason? I'm sorry but the way you are acting is why so many people are starting to become anti-religious and bash Christians. Network dude was right you are being a zealot and very Judgemental on a group that has millions of members who are also Christian.

edit on 11-4-2014 by nancyliedersdeaddog because: (no reason given)

No, actually it was the very poor and crass behavior of that member, which you obviously condone, which has made me come to this conclusion. If you are unaware of his unbecoming conduct toward me, please go back and read the thread. He was not civil, nor polite, and just budded in to attack anything that had anything to do with the Bible.

Why should I feel obliged to then reason with him further?

And why should I have to be the one defending myself after he was the one bullying?

You were the one claiming the father of Freemasons is the devil, Augustus was being nicer to you then most other members would be in a similar situation. You are using the Bible as your only evidence against Freemasonry so of course he's going to attack it.

As the Bible is the ultimate authority, it is all that is needed. Everything can be either proved or disproved holding its teachings to that of the Bible.

And yes I am very well aware if someone believes different than the Bible they will have a problem with it and not wish to listen to it. That too shows how God's word is alive and reveals thoughts and intentions of the heart.

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The Bible may be the ultimate authority to you but it's not for many others including myself. It's kind of hard to follow a book that says I'm going to send me to Hell just because I don't believe a certain way.

KSigMason
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Well God's Word has been edited, mistranslated, revised, and changed by men with an agenda. They also left out many books of importance.

Have you made a thread about it? Not only it's thread-worthy but the "conspiracies in religions" section could use a decent thread for a change.

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To try to put the whole "masons don't like Christians" thing to rest, most masons I know are Christian. It seems the disconnect is from over zealous Christians who like to project their views of how God thinks onto others. (mainly masons) We are all on the same side. We all believe in at least a single creator. While individual beliefs will vary, (as with any group in the world) the core of masonry is closer to religion than most other groups. (IMHO)

It's easy to generalize when backed into a corner, I have done it myself. But I cannot understand why any Christian would want to argue over God. Discuss theoretical ideas perhaps, but any Christian should know that the whole idea of God is so complex that pretending to "know" anything is disingenuous at best.

I just wish that the ones who pounce on masonry would try to understand what it is BEFORE they condemn it to hell. It's done the opposite way far too often.

nancyliedersdeaddog
The Bible may be the ultimate authority to you but it's not for many others including myself. It's kind of hard to follow a book that says I'm going to send me to Hell just because I don't believe a certain way.

Don't worry. Hell-fire dogma is a pagan teaching that comes from Babylon. It is not found in the Bible.

Actually the Bible teaches that all people, whether they are good or bad die when they die. They cease to exist. In God's eyes it is as if they are asleep, with no consciousness:

(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.

(Psalm 146:4) . . .His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish.


(John 5:28, 29) 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.


Moreover, the God of the Bible even states that the thought of burning people had not even entered into his heart:

(Jeremiah 7:31) And they have built the high places of To′pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin′nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’


See how Bible truth cuts through disgusting demonic and Satanic lies propagated by Christendom?

This is the real truth, and one that no doubt you find refreshing.

iSomeone
Don't worry. Hell-fire dogma is a pagan teaching that comes from Babylon. It is not found in the Bible.

What about Revelations?

KSigMason

iSomeone
Don't worry. Hell-fire dogma is a pagan teaching that comes from Babylon. It is not found in the Bible.

What about Revelations?

Perhaps you are referring to this scripture?

(Revelation 20:14, 15) . . .And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.

Death and mankind's common grave (transliterated here in the text as Hades, or Hell) is thrown into the lake of fire.

Death is not a real person. It is an intagible thing. It along with Hell are thrown into the lake of fire. So firstly, hell cannot be the lake of fire. And it cannot be a literal place either, because death is not a real person.

So how is Hell/mankind's common grave and death thrown into the lake of fire? Once you understand this the passage becomes quite plain.

The scripture itself tells you that the lake of fire is symbolic for something. Here it says that it "means the second death."

Fire represents destruction. For example anyone deemed not worthy of a resurrection, in Bible days in Judea were thrown into Gehenna. Gehenna was a place where they would throw all their refuse, and it was constantly on fire. The firey Gehenna did not represent some afterlife where a person was burned while not really dead, like God and the Bible says they are. Rather what it represents is complete destruction. And anyone alive at that time would understand that anyone thrown into the firey Gehenna was completely burned to ashes (after the body was already dead). Complete destruction.

The second death means no hope of a resurrection. Mankind's common grave is the first death. Everyone that has gone there will soon be resurrected to life on earth in during Jesus' kingdom rule. The same prophecy in Revelation tells us this, in the previous verse:

(Revelation 20:13) . . .And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha′des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. . .


We are also told that the last enemy death will, after the thousand year reign of Jesus, be done away with completely:

(1 Corinthians 15:26) . . .As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.

Thus death' and hell being thrown into the lake of fire is symbolic of their complete destruction. That is why the very same prophecy says there will be no more death:

(Revelation 21:4) . . .And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”


Again, Bible truth trumps false pagan dogma.

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Or possibly:

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelations 21

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Or possibly:

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelations 21

Correct, this is the same lake of fire, which means the second death.

For an explanation of what it is please see this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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iSomeone, you certainly do make some interesting arguments. Am I right in concluding that, in summarizing your arguments, that if we follow the precepts in the Bible, we will have eternal life. If not, we shall just die and end all existence.

Do you not feel that this is actually equivalent to reincarnation, in a sense, in the fact that we may be resurrected as a reward for a life well spent? Many Eastern religions teach the same thing.

Saurus
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iSomeone, you certainly do make some interesting arguments. Am I right in concluding that, in summarizing your arguments, that if we follow the precepts in the Bible, we will have eternal life. If not, we shall just die and end all existence.

Do you not feel that this is actually equivalent to reincarnation, in a sense, in the fact that we may be resurrected as a reward for a life well spent? Many Eastern religions teach the same thing.

Resurrection literally means reanimation. I believe in eastern philosophy reincarnation is the continued existence of a lifeform, oblivious to its previous existence, and in another lifeform, a higher one if they did good, a lower one if they did bad. Reincarnation teaches that the soul can never die, so it is a variation on the old pagan dogma that the soul is immortal.

Actually, not only righteous people will be resurrected. The Bible teaches that the majority of mankind is resting right now in God's memory.

Those who already served him will be resurrected to a resurrection of life. Those who practiced bad things will be resurrected to a resurrection of judgement.

(John 5:28, 29) 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.


Not that they will be judged for what they did before they died. The scripture plainly states that when a person dies, they have already paid for all the sins they have committed while alive:

(Romans 6:23) . . .For the wages sin pays is death. . .


So when they are raised back to life, on a paradise earth, devoid of all wicked influence, and filled with peace to the ends of the earth, they will be taught who Jehovah is. They will be given the opportunity then to decide whether they will do good and chose life, or do bad, and chose death. In that sense they will be judged.

At that time, everyone alive will know then know who Jehovah is:

(Isaiah 11:9) They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.

(Habakkuk 2:14) For the earth will be filled with the knowing of the glory of Jehovah as the waters themselves cover over [the] sea.


(Psalm 72:7, 8) . . .In his days the righteous one will sprout, And the abundance of peace until the moon is no more.  8 And he will have subjects from sea to sea And from the River to the ends of the earth.


There are perhaps billions of people who have died, who, even though they practiced bad things, have had no chance to learn about Jehovah God, and Jesus Christ. God will give all of these an opportunity to live again, and chose life.

Most likely most if not all the persons you knew personally that have died, will live again:

(Job 14:13) O that in She′ol you would conceal me, That you would keep me secret until your anger turns back, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!

(Isaiah 25:8) He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces. And the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah himself has spoken [it].

(Isaiah 26:19) “Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth].

(Revelation 20:12) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.