Aircraft Carriers have been obsolete for a long time

reply to post by RalagaNarHallas


It's my job, that's how I know. The launching capabilities are unmatched. If you trhow saftey out the window like you said it could go a little faster but not too much.

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It's more impressive when you see an Alpha strike with missiles from the fleet flying over your head. That is why it is called Shock and Awe.

Jepic, do you not know how many counters to missile technology there is? There's missile to missile systems, computer targeted and tracking Automated weapon platforms, and last but not least my favorite, lasers buddy, have you not read about the latest news on our lasers, they are designed to bring down drones and missiles. Missiles are also quickly becoming a weapon of the past, I want to watch your grin as you hit that missile fire button on your all powerful destroyer hahaha and watch as it blows up for seemingly no reason, because the new Navy lasers are not visible and then you slowly boil from a laser attack to the Bridge of your ship, no more command crew and a capturable ship intact and ready to be escorted to the nearest allied port.. :] easy.

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by CarbonBase
reply to post by Jepic

 

Really? How many destroyers does it take to equal the lifting capacity of a CVN? And, if that was the case, why didn't the US send ALL of it's destroyers to Haiti after the Earthquake? Personally, I don't give a lot of 'credit' to any warship in time of conflict. They're expendable. Question is, How much damage do you think that CVN is going to inflict against say, 10 destroyers, before the destroyers can take the CVN out? Just the CVN against the destroyers, and you can't use US destroyers.

Let's be conservative and say the destroyer has 100 missiles. A CVN has between 75 and 90 aircraft. Now it's very unlikely that the CVN will be able to get all 90 aircraft airborne before the missiles hit. Let's do the math. The carrier is out. The rest of the group is potatoes. I'll lose a destroyer. Okay, two at most with a third badly damaged but still able to get to port. I'll give you that. Your group is completely in the bottom though.

lol your dumb do all of the missiles on your destroyer/s fire like a video game instantly one after the other because they were all loaded in there tubes?? haha wow man no logic. all child hood imagination.

Also have you forgotten about the aircraft always flying patrol? 2 of your destroyers would have already been damaged and possibly sunk before you even came into range. don't forget about attack helicopters with anti armor missiles, i just don't think you can comprehend how overbearing a carriers potentially combat output is, its not a goddamn civilian airport those aircraft are coming out faster than you think.

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You really think the air power from the Aircraft carriers , the subs, the other navy destroyers that are in that flotila would let that enemy destroyer get close enough to sing the Aircraft carrier?

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Good call. Plus the carrier can control ALL weapons on it's escorts. Plus, the carrier would have constant tracking and targeting data on the 'destroyers' no matter where it was on Earth,. Plus, the OP stated that destroyers are 'faster' than 'carriers' (INSTANT FAIL). Plus, carriers actually exist, while the 'destroyers' this poster is talking about DO NOT!

Originally posted by Komodo

Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by Jepic

 

Once again, you have absolutely zero knowledge on this subject. I served in the US Navy for four years, and four of my uncles served in the same US Navy, one of them as a carrier pilot.

All of the carriers, since the first nuclear-powered carrier, USS Enterprise, have been built with the ability to withstand tactical nuclear strikes without sinking...

I am not going to write anything more on this topic because it is patently obvious you have absolutely no freaking idea of this subject.

personally ..

I'd like to see that in a mock-up.. !!! cuz' the exocet can break a batleship in half ~!

I want evidence that an Exocet can break a battle ship in half, since there are no battle ships out there were one could be tested on, and the ones that the us keep on standby are for standby, not anti-ship missile tests.

Originally posted by MConnalley
Jepic, do you not know how many counters to missile technology there is? There's missile to missile systems, computer targeted and tracking Automated weapon platforms, and last but not least my favorite, lasers buddy, have you not read about the latest news on our lasers, they are designed to bring down drones and missiles. Missiles are also quickly becoming a weapon of the past, I want to watch your grin as you hit that missile fire button on your all powerful destroyer hahaha and watch as it blows up for seemingly no reason, because the new Navy lasers are not visible and then you slowly boil from a laser attack to the Bridge of your ship, no more command crew and a capturable ship intact and ready to be escorted to the nearest allied port.. :] easy.

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Good luck getting through the smoke screen with your new laser which by the way is far from being the likes of Star Trek or Star Wars.

Lasers are still in the infant stages. They won't help much against consolidated missile technology.

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by MConnalley
Jepic, do you not know how many counters to missile technology there is? There's missile to missile systems, computer targeted and tracking Automated weapon platforms, and last but not least my favorite, lasers buddy, have you not read about the latest news on our lasers, they are designed to bring down drones and missiles. Missiles are also quickly becoming a weapon of the past, I want to watch your grin as you hit that missile fire button on your all powerful destroyer hahaha and watch as it blows up for seemingly no reason, because the new Navy lasers are not visible and then you slowly boil from a laser attack to the Bridge of your ship, no more command crew and a capturable ship intact and ready to be escorted to the nearest allied port.. :] easy.

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Good luck getting through the smoke screen with your new laser which by the way is far from being the likes of Star Trek or Star Wars.

Lasers are still in the infant stages. They won't help much against consolidated missile technology.

What smokescreen, were have you been, in a hole, laser tech has already went to elementary school and is now getting a phd, its not visible light spectrum, its infrared, the only people you would be blinding is yourself lol just stop trying you clearly don't know what your talking about please just stop, your making people dumber.

Lol a carrier can troll you and blow up each hundred thousand dollar missile with a 1 dollar a pop laser that can continue firing if need be,

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If an Exocet missile hit an actual battleship, it would leave a dent. Maybe. Thing about them battleships, imagine if they actually rebuilt them and gave them a really efficient propulsion system Reactors would be nice) and a SPY-1/Standard MR-3 that would be seriously scary!

Originally posted by MConnalley

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by CarbonBase
reply to post by Jepic

 

Really? How many destroyers does it take to equal the lifting capacity of a CVN? And, if that was the case, why didn't the US send ALL of it's destroyers to Haiti after the Earthquake? Personally, I don't give a lot of 'credit' to any warship in time of conflict. They're expendable. Question is, How much damage do you think that CVN is going to inflict against say, 10 destroyers, before the destroyers can take the CVN out? Just the CVN against the destroyers, and you can't use US destroyers.

Let's be conservative and say the destroyer has 100 missiles. A CVN has between 75 and 90 aircraft. Now it's very unlikely that the CVN will be able to get all 90 aircraft airborne before the missiles hit. Let's do the math. The carrier is out. The rest of the group is potatoes. I'll lose a destroyer. Okay, two at most with a third badly damaged but still able to get to port. I'll give you that. Your group is completely in the bottom though.

lol your dumb do all of the missiles on your destroyer/s fire like a video game instantly one after the other because they were all loaded in there tubes?? haha wow man no logic. all child hood imagination.

Also have you forgotten about the aircraft always flying patrol? 2 of your destroyers would have already been damaged and possibly sunk before you even came into range. don't forget about attack helicopters with anti armor missiles, i just don't think you can comprehend how overbearing a carriers potentially combat output is, its not a goddamn civilian airport those aircraft are coming out faster than you think.

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Yes. Missiles boxes can pretty much fire one after the other.

And I think you got it all turned around. Those aircraft including the helicopters would be destroyed before they were close enough to fire.

Those missiles are coming out and at you even faster than your aircraft. Much, much faster. In fact I don't think you comprehend how fast compared to your aircraft.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by Jepic

 

You really think the air power from the Aircraft carriers , the subs, the other navy destroyers that are in that flotila would let that enemy destroyer get close enough to sing the Aircraft carrier?

You really think the destroyer fleet would let the carrier group get close enough to them?

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Nice. Also, smoke doesn't affect a laser if you build it right. How about 1,000,000 destroyers vs The U.S.S. Enterprise (The star trek one I mean), that's about as realistic as the original argument. Man, the morphine is really kicking in now! How about Godzilla vs destroyers. I'm putting my money on Godzilla, and not the crappy one that got killed by harpoons! I'm talking about the 300 ft tall, reactor snorting bad-ass from the epic Japanese films!

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by MConnalley

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by CarbonBase
reply to post by Jepic

 

Really? How many destroyers does it take to equal the lifting capacity of a CVN? And, if that was the case, why didn't the US send ALL of it's destroyers to Haiti after the Earthquake? Personally, I don't give a lot of 'credit' to any warship in time of conflict. They're expendable. Question is, How much damage do you think that CVN is going to inflict against say, 10 destroyers, before the destroyers can take the CVN out? Just the CVN against the destroyers, and you can't use US destroyers.

Let's be conservative and say the destroyer has 100 missiles. A CVN has between 75 and 90 aircraft. Now it's very unlikely that the CVN will be able to get all 90 aircraft airborne before the missiles hit. Let's do the math. The carrier is out. The rest of the group is potatoes. I'll lose a destroyer. Okay, two at most with a third badly damaged but still able to get to port. I'll give you that. Your group is completely in the bottom though.

lol your dumb do all of the missiles on your destroyer/s fire like a video game instantly one after the other because they were all loaded in there tubes?? haha wow man no logic. all child hood imagination.

Also have you forgotten about the aircraft always flying patrol? 2 of your destroyers would have already been damaged and possibly sunk before you even came into range. don't forget about attack helicopters with anti armor missiles, i just don't think you can comprehend how overbearing a carriers potentially combat output is, its not a goddamn civilian airport those aircraft are coming out faster than you think.

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Yes. Missiles boxes can pretty much fire one after the other.

And I think you got it all turned around. Those aircraft including the helicopters would be destroyed before they were close enough to fire.

Those missiles are coming out and at you even faster than your aircraft. Much, much faster. In fact I don't think you comprehend how fast compared to your aircraft.

You've also selective memory i see, those missiles attacking the aircraft lifting off still have to contend with the carriers missile defenses. You think a carrier would let that happen, the coordination you praise for an effective destroyer formation is inherent in a carriers combat logistics and armaments, there is absolutely nothing you can do short of ramming a carrier with the destroyer itself lol. back to viking tactics eyy? dude just stop....

Originally posted by MConnalley

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by MConnalley
Jepic, do you not know how many counters to missile technology there is? There's missile to missile systems, computer targeted and tracking Automated weapon platforms, and last but not least my favorite, lasers buddy, have you not read about the latest news on our lasers, they are designed to bring down drones and missiles. Missiles are also quickly becoming a weapon of the past, I want to watch your grin as you hit that missile fire button on your all powerful destroyer hahaha and watch as it blows up for seemingly no reason, because the new Navy lasers are not visible and then you slowly boil from a laser attack to the Bridge of your ship, no more command crew and a capturable ship intact and ready to be escorted to the nearest allied port.. :] easy.

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Good luck getting through the smoke screen with your new laser which by the way is far from being the likes of Star Trek or Star Wars.

Lasers are still in the infant stages. They won't help much against consolidated missile technology.

What smokescreen, were have you been, in a hole, laser tech has already went to elementary school and is now getting a phd, its not visible light spectrum, its infrared, the only people you would be blinding is yourself lol just stop trying you clearly don't know what your talking about please just stop, your making people dumber.

Lol a carrier can troll you and blow up each hundred thousand dollar missile with a 1 dollar a pop laser that can continue firing if need be,

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Too bad it has nothing to with spectrum. At the end of the day it's still particles in the air that can be blocked by putting even more particles in the air such as a heavy smokescreen.

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by Jepic

 

You really think the air power from the Aircraft carriers , the subs, the other navy destroyers that are in that flotila would let that enemy destroyer get close enough to sing the Aircraft carrier?

You really think the destroyer fleet would let the carrier group get close enough to them?

lol again, what is the destroyer group gonna "reach out and touch" the carrier with? missiles? you mean those ones the laser targeting system is playing pong with? lol

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by MConnalley

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by MConnalley
Jepic, do you not know how many counters to missile technology there is? There's missile to missile systems, computer targeted and tracking Automated weapon platforms, and last but not least my favorite, lasers buddy, have you not read about the latest news on our lasers, they are designed to bring down drones and missiles. Missiles are also quickly becoming a weapon of the past, I want to watch your grin as you hit that missile fire button on your all powerful destroyer hahaha and watch as it blows up for seemingly no reason, because the new Navy lasers are not visible and then you slowly boil from a laser attack to the Bridge of your ship, no more command crew and a capturable ship intact and ready to be escorted to the nearest allied port.. :] easy.

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Good luck getting through the smoke screen with your new laser which by the way is far from being the likes of Star Trek or Star Wars.

Lasers are still in the infant stages. They won't help much against consolidated missile technology.

What smokescreen, were have you been, in a hole, laser tech has already went to elementary school and is now getting a phd, its not visible light spectrum, its infrared, the only people you would be blinding is yourself lol just stop trying you clearly don't know what your talking about please just stop, your making people dumber.

Lol a carrier can troll you and blow up each hundred thousand dollar missile with a 1 dollar a pop laser that can continue firing if need be,

edit on 24-4-2013 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)

Too bad it has nothing to with spectrum. At the end of the day it's still particles in the air that can be blocked by putting even more particles in the air such as a heavy smokescreen.

first of all a smokescreen even if deployed would dissipate almost immediately in open ocean, you know, wind :] also again who the hell has an "air burst" smoke launcher " directional at that, you almost need a targeting computer, for what? to fire smoke? lol dude, the infeasibility in your mind is well, mind boggling.

Also look up "phalax (CIWS)"

Originally posted by CarbonBase
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

Good call. Plus the carrier can control ALL weapons on it's escorts. Plus, the carrier would have constant tracking and targeting data on the 'destroyers' no matter where it was on Earth,. Plus, the OP stated that destroyers are 'faster' than 'carriers' (INSTANT FAIL). Plus, carriers actually exist, while the 'destroyers' this poster is talking about DO NOT!

We are talking hypothetical here of course. It's not like I'm speaking of space battleships against carriergroups. I'm talking a realistice platform.

Well if yours can do it, the destroyer fleet could also be "tracking and targeting data on the carrier group no matter where they are on Earth."

And destroyers are faster than aircraft carriers (not that it matters much) as they can go above 30 knots while a carrier can only go up to 30 knots.

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by CarbonBase
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

Good call. Plus the carrier can control ALL weapons on it's escorts. Plus, the carrier would have constant tracking and targeting data on the 'destroyers' no matter where it was on Earth,. Plus, the OP stated that destroyers are 'faster' than 'carriers' (INSTANT FAIL). Plus, carriers actually exist, while the 'destroyers' this poster is talking about DO NOT!

We are talking hypothetical here of course. It's not like I'm speaking of space battleships against carriergroups. I'm talking a realistice platform.

Well if yours can do it, the destroyer fleet could also be "tracking and targeting data on the carrier group no matter where they are on Earth."

And destroyers are faster than aircraft carriers (not that it matters much) as they can go above 30 knots while a carrier can only go up to 30 knots.

What does it matter that there faster? only that they would be rushing to there deaths. and only if the destroyers of jepic land had satellites in space transmitting the data, assuming American black projects haven't "shot down" all of you data and navigational satellites. hell we could hack those satellites potentially to transmit false data to your destroyer group and set a trap.

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Ok, whatever you say. But if you think a CVN can only manage to push 30 knots, it tells me what I need to know. Anyway, what kind of destroyer's did you say the carrier would be facing again? Oh, that's right you didn't !