Western Australia Skies Under Attack from HAARP Activity Over Aust/US Naval Base in Australia.

reply to post by omega man


Greetings!

I find it a bit funny that there is a chemtrail watch group in Perth, since geographically speaking, the place is pretty isolated and doesn't get very much in the way of overhead air traffic.

I found this page from a local sky watcher

www.lifeonperth.com...

When will someone post something that is not contrails and clouds?
Oh, and a really ordinary halo effect around the sun.

You need a cloud guide. All the clouds you pictured, because yes, they are all clouds, are shaped by the forces in the atmosphere. Just like they were for as long as the sky had clouds.

What makes you think they are chemtrails? The cirrus clouds are persisting, so the contrails will persist, too.
HAARP doesn't change clouds. It heats the ionosphere, above where cirrus cloud are. And way above where weather happens.
You have fallen for the belief about "chemtrails", and all the nonsense that goes along with it.
Get a weather or cloud guide. Learn how the atmosphere works.
It will calm your paranoid fear.

Thanks for the support with this thread Xavier6, everyone is at their own level of conscious awareness, there is no hope for those with closed minds, they only denegrate those that know the truth.en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by omega man


OH we know where to look.
It's not at YouTube or Facebook, where people continue to post pictures of clouds and call them "chemtrails."

If you Google "contrail studies -chemtrails", using the minus sign and no space before "chemtrails," you will get 164,000 hits of real science about contrails, why they are studied, their empirical characteristics, their content, their history...absolutely everything. They have been studied since they were first seen, over 70 years ago.

If you Google "chemtrails" you get YouTube videos, pictures of mislabeled clouds, paranoia, stupidity, ignorance, fear, and websites that ask for donations because they are shills, peddling stories for pay.

reply to post by omega man

Unfortunately alot of people who comment on here are either to lazy or don't know where to look.

Unfortunately I am not one of those people, so can you answer my question because I am interested in where your info comes from other than youtube?

reply to post by Anusuia


So if someone rightly doesn`t believe in chemtrails they are a young twit to you?

I`ve lived here all my life from the early 60`s other than up north for about 7 years,the air traffic has increased but thats it,its just the same.

But feel free to believe in these unsubstantiated nut job refuted chemtrails,my only concern is they don`t all live over east.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by omega man

 

Unfortunately alot of people who comment on here are either to lazy or don't know where to look.

Unfortunately I am not one of those people, so can you answer my question because I am interested in where your info comes from other than youtube?

He won't because unfortunately a lot of people who comment on here are either too lazy or don't know where to look.

reply to post by omega man

Thanks for the support with this thread Xavier6, everyone is at their own level of conscious awareness, there is no hope for those with closed minds, they only denegrate those that know the truth.en.wikipedia.org...

Please learn what weather modification is and what it is used for...

And neither chemtrails or HAARP are involved.

Weather modification is the act of intentionally manipulating or altering the weather. The most common form of weather modification is cloud seeding to increase rain or snow, usually for the purpose of increasing the local water supply.[1] Weather modification can also have the goal of preventing damaging weather, such as hail or hurricanes, from occurring; or of provoking damaging weather against an enemy or rival, as a tactic of military or economic warfare. Weather modification in warfare has been banned by the United Nations.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now when you see these chemtrails does it rain or snow afterwards, because that is what weather modification is used for, but with your research you already knew that, correct?

Given a maximum of 15 degrees deflection from vertical, even if HAARP COULD do something like this, how do you propose it can reach Australia?

Next, you've got to figure out how to cause your supposed effects with an HF broadcast between 2.5 and 10MHz. I wish you luck.

reply to post by omega man


Besides the obvious...this is a cool photo!

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by omega man

 

www.youtube.com... Thanks.

Just by chance do you have something with a bit more substance than youtube?

Chemtrails

Weather Modification and Geoengineering

The Radiation DB: HAARP

ClimateViewer 3D: has all the upper atmospheric radars, like HAARP, on Google Earth!

You've been informed

reply to post by stars15k


Chemtrails

Weather Modification and Geoengineering

The Radiation DB: HAARP

ClimateViewer 3D: has all the upper atmospheric radars, like HAARP, on Google Earth!

You've been informed

Chemtrails, aka persistent contrails formed from planes flying through Ice Supersaturated Regions (ISSR) are filled with several trade secret chemicals.... I don't see how there is any conspiracy here....

COPYRIGHT LAW TRUMPING PUBLIC HEALTH

click the chemtrail link above and/or stop thinking you have it all figured out.

Propulsion Research Could Revolutionize Jet Fuel

Development of a cold flow fuel additive can lower commercial airlines operating costs.
AFRL’s Propulsion Directorate, Turbine Engine Division, Fuels Branch, Wright-Patterson AFB OH

In 1989, the Propulsion Directorate began evaluating jet fuel additives to reduce coking and maintenance costs in aircraft engines and fuel systems. In 1994, the directorate selected an additive, designated SPECxAID 8Q462, to test on F-16s with Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 engines. The resultant additized fuel, designated JP-8+100, raises the fuel’s thermal stability up to 100∞ F hotter without increasing its propensity to form coke. The two-year test program using JP-8+100 resulted in a significant reduction in coke-related maintenance. To date, thousands of Air Force aircraft, as well as numerous aircraft of allied nations, successfully use JP-8+100. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) recently approved the use of the Betz Dearborn SPEC×AID 8Q462 fuel additive and its commercial equivalents for all Pratt & Whitney commercial aircraft turbine engines. The FAA’s approval of the additive for use in commercial engines is a huge step towards wide use in the commercial aviation industry.All Air Force aircraft, with the exception of the high-altitude U-2 reconnaissance aircraft, use JP-8 fuel. The U-2 uses jet propellant, thermally stable (JP-TS) fuel because of the decreased freeze point and elevated thermal stability requirements of the U-2′s higher altitude flights. JP-8+100 meets the thermal stability requirements but falls short of JP-TS low-temperature capabilities. The directorate is starting the second of a five-year program to improve the low-temperature properties of JP-8 fuel through the use of additives.

Jet fuel freezes, similar to gelatin, and firms but does not solidify like frozen water. The directorate developed a new fuel, JP-8+100LT (LT for low temperature), that will suppress crystal growth and adherence. Freezing crystals, like building blocks, stack onto each other. As they group together, they become too large to pass through fuel screens and filters (see Figure 1). JP-8+100LT will prevent crystals from building into larger structures and allow fuel to continue flowing through all parts of a system (see Figure 2). Cold flow enhancers prevent crystal growth, enabling small crystals to remain suspended and flowable in liquid fuel.

Jet fuel cost is one driving factor for this research. The price for JP-8 in fiscal year 2000 was $0.61/gal. The cost of JP-TS was $3.25/gal. The cold flow additive package for JP-8 will cost only pennies per gallon, resulting in great savings. This effort promises to reduce U-2 fuel cost by as much as 80%.

Other nations and commercial airlines expressed interest in the fuel additive program. Currently, commercial jet fuel is produced from only the highest grade of petroleum (top 10% of a barrel of oil) to meet temperature range and thermal stability requirements. This makes the price of commercial jet fuels very expensive. Airlines can significantly reduce their operating costs through the use of this cold flow additive, which can extend the temperature range of jet fuel produced from lower grades of petroleum. Due to international interest in this technology, the directorate’s research team presented a paper at the International Association for the Stability and Handling of Jet Fuels Symposium in Graz, Austria.

The directorate recently opened a new cold flow fuel laboratory at Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio. It houses a cold stage microscope, differential scanning calorimeter, and the low-temperature fuel wing tank simulator. A larger scale simulator, currently under construction, will incorporate a model of the U-2 wing, but will also fully adapt to accommodate future testing for other planes, such as the Global Hawk and other technically advanced aircraft.

Transition of this new fuel to operational Air Force units is under way. One method is to mix LT with +100 and distribute the mixture to operational units. JP-8+100LT may also have applications in other military vehicles.

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You've been informed

Well since all you did was link your own sites (which btw isn't the first time I have seen them) would you please provide something that isn't from your sites?

... Ms. Cynthia Obringer and 1Lt Kirsten Wohlwend of the Air Force Research Laboratory’s Propulsion Directorate wrote this article. For more information contact TECH CONNECT at (800) 203-6451 or place a request at www.afrl.af.mil... Reference document PR-00-08.

Source: web.archive.org...:/afrlhorizons.com/Briefs/Jun e01/PR0008.htmll
^

web.archive.org...:/afrlhorizons.com/Briefs/June01/PR0008.html

SPEC-AID 8Q462 FUEL STABILIZER TRADE SECRET INGREDIENTS:
www.emedco.info...


Even the non-trade-secret additives are semi-scary...
The not-so-secret ingredient Stadis 450 (dinonylnaphthalene sulfonic acid, barium salt)
chemtrails.cc...
stadis450_antistatic_additive_msds.pdf

The chemtrail/debunk battle is an exercise in retardation, and a semantic game... it is a trail, it is full of mysterious untested chemicals... and soon will be replaced by the camalina plant biofuel that should produce no contrails after they start routing flights around ISSR's.

This will have no effect on the acid rain produced, carbon black emissions that leave black lines on polar caps and melt ice, and chemtrails inadvertent cloud-seeding.

There is no black or white, only grey.

terraforminginc.com...

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by R3zn8D

 

You've been informed

Well since all you did was link your own sites (which btw isn't the first time I have seen them) would you please provide something that isn't from your sites?

lame request of the year.... each link contains hundreds of links to .gov, .mil, and .edu PDF's and articles. Everything has been verified by myself as 100% accurate. Find one inaccuracy and I will change it... good luck

reply to post by R3zn8D

lame request of the year.... each link contains hundreds of links to .gov, .mil, and .edu PDF's and articles. Everything has been verified by myself as 100% accurate. Find one inaccuracy and I will change it... good luck

Hear we go...

The chemtrail conspiracy sites are wrong when they state: “commercial flight trails are geoengineering SRM“, and the debunkers refuse to point out the documented evidence that persistent contrails ARE a bad thing, and DO modify the weather, regardless of the latter groups confusion about why they hate/love them.

So debunkers refuse to point out that persistent contrails are a bad thing.

Well here is your first mistake as any debunker on this site will agree about the persistent contrail so that is a fail.

Here you go...

contrailscience.com...

Was this point enough.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by R3zn8D

 

lame request of the year.... each link contains hundreds of links to .gov, .mil, and .edu PDF's and articles. Everything has been verified by myself as 100% accurate. Find one inaccuracy and I will change it... good luck

Hear we go...

The chemtrail conspiracy sites are wrong when they state: “commercial flight trails are geoengineering SRM“, and the debunkers refuse to point out the documented evidence that persistent contrails ARE a bad thing, and DO modify the weather, regardless of the latter groups confusion about why they hate/love them.

So debunkers refuse to point out that persistent contrails are a bad thing.

Well here is your first mistake as any debunker on this site will agree about the persistent contrail so that is a fail.

Here you go...

contrailscience.com...

Was this point enough.

Reading the first paragraph, then linking to Mick West's Tony Hawk funded bull# machine is hardly enough.

Why not just link to his forum too: metabunk.org...

You're obviously on the surface of a very deep pond and know not where to row...

And a preemptive post.... Mick West knows me, and I think he's in love with me: metabunk.org...

reply to post by R3zn8D


contrailscience.com...
His FAQ is full of holes... I am going to debunk his debunk...

Is chemtrails responsible for acid rain?
If planes were spraying something like sulphur, then that would create acid rain. But there’s no evidence that they are. The human causes of acid rain are things like power stations, factories and transportation.

JP8 = 100 ppm sulfur content, No evidence my ass:


image source:
http: //www.kallmanclassic.com/microsites/caafiexpo2011/presentations/Environment%20Team/Bulzan%20CAAFI%20NASA%20Presentation%2011-30-11.pdf

here's another:

Do commercial airlines seed clouds on the west coast?
Not in the usual sense of making low rain clouds rain more. But contrails are clouds, and the ones that persist are essentially”seeded” by the engine exhaust. But contrails are ice clouds, and don’t produce rain. They do sometimes make the sky overcast.

This is a word game. They are seeded but don't produce rain? Hogwash:
On the Possibility of Weather Modification by Aircraft Contrails, 1970:

"likely that inadvertent cloud seeding by jet aircraft may be of the same order of magnitude as that attained in commercial cloud seeding operations"

terraforminginc... .com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/On-the-possibility-of-weather-modification-by-aircraft-contrails.pdf

It's a silly word game... everyone is playing, only noone is making any progress.
Mick West knows about as much about chemtrails and their effect on the climate as my dog knows about HTML.

September 11, 2001 a day that will live in infamy. Also, they grounded all flights. As a result, scientists could check the "rebound" effect of all the normal chemtrail pollution's absence. You should read it:

Regional Variations in U.S. Diurnal Temperature Range for the 11–14 September 2001
Aircraft Groundings: Evidence of Jet Contrail Influence on Climate
journals.ametsoc.org...(2004)017%3C1123:RVIUDT%3E2.0.CO%3B2

and finally to come full circle to the Op's point:

HAARP can probably hit Australia... their One-hop buoy is just off the southeast coast of New Zealand, and depending on where the ionosphere that day, a couple of watts of electricity may make it down there =)

If you are an Aussie, you should be bitching about the Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) and all that AUSCANZUKUS "Five Eyes" ECHELON data sharing going on...

luv you mean it

Originally posted by R3zn8D
and finally to come full circle to the Op's point:

HAARP can probably hit Australia... their One-hop buoy is just off the southeast coast of New Zealand, and depending on where the ionosphere that day, a couple of watts of electricity may make it down there =)

Oh, no, not at all. First, the location of the one-hop buoy is at the conjugate point from Gakona. The only way you could move the other end of the point would be to pick up the installation and move it physically. It's not that HAARP's "targeting" the one-hop buoy, that's where it's going to end up no matter what you do. You can adjust the end-point a tad by painting the wave more east-west than they do, or you could move it more north by flipping the geo-paint to the north side of the electrojet. But you've got a very limited set of conjugate endpoints you can target with the array, and that's defined by the location of the northern electrojet.

Next, you'll never see the day "a couple of Watts" make it down there, first, you can't really use a power number, it's more a power density thing. It might be correct to specify it in nanowatts/meter^2. Second, the distance is huge, and there's that square-of-the-distance thing to deal with. It's not a crow's flight from Gakona to the conjugate point riding the field line, you have to factor in the entire magnetic loop distance, which is maybe 6-7 Earth diameters for that one. Also, when they say 'high ELF/VLF amplitudes', they're talking maybe 30 Watts output for a geo-paint, 8-10 Watts for an amplitude paint. Then you only get the part that penetrates the ionosphere that will ride down the field line, then you lose more going back through the ionosphere at the south end. When you get done, you have to pick up the h-field component with a very sensitive receiver. If you look closely at your link you may note that you've got -15dB picoTeslas of h-field component left on a good day.

If you are an Aussie, you should be bitching about the Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) and all that AUSCANZUKUS "Five Eyes" ECHELON data sharing going on...

Well, we both share in that one. And you've got a virtual *load of fun in the northwest corner of Australia that we 'borrow' from you guys for sub comms.