4th Grade Science Quiz from Christian School... Ridiculous!

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

You give an example of how corrupt religion used misinterpretation as a means to retain power. This says nothing of what the scripture says

No i am pointing out what it actually says. It is you who adds more meaning to the words.
If what you just said were true then you just claimed all this religion was corrupt ,everywhere.

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by windword

 

If you are referring to Revealation, I am certain you have an understanding of symbolism. There are many references in scripture to the sun, moon and stars that speak of them as being creations of the creator- no mention of angels. Funny how you would single out the symbolic references to try to prove a scientific failure.

Nope, I'm not referring to Revelation.

Babylonian astronomy from early times associates stars with deities, but the heavens[disambiguation needed] as the residence of an anthropomorphic pantheon, and later of monotheistic God and his retinue of angels, is a later development, gradually replacing the notion of the pantheon residing or convening on the summit of high mountains.

Sayce (1913) argues a parallelism of the "stellar theology" of Babylon and Egypt, both countries absorbing popular star-worship into the official pantheon of their respective state religions by identification of gods with stars or planets.
en.wikipedia.org...

Who was the "Morning Star" (Venus) Jesus or Lucifer? What led the 3 wise men, a star or an angel?

In the meantime, there is still another "host of heaven," described in the Bible as an "innumerable company of angels" (Hebrews 12:22). The frequent identification of angels with stars in the Bible

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)

www.icr.org...

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci
There was a time that these 7 answers on a 4th grade science test would have received the same grade of 100%

1. The human body will asphyxiate at speeds in excess of 25mph.
2. The bumble bee cannot fly.
3. It is impossible for a man to fly, because he is heavier than air.
4. It is impossible for a ship made of iron to float, because iron is heavier than water.
5. When the first atomic bomb explodes, it will set off a chain reaction that will destroy the Earth.
6. The sun revolves around the Earth.
7. The stars are fixed in the firmament.

1 hundred years ago maybe^

And this makes it alright to set our education system back to the level of the middle ages? Schools are supposed to make your children more intelligent and not purposefully miss-inform them based on religion even if the school is of christian origin, they still have a responsibility towards you and your children.

Do not be surprised if the school in the OP of which i am sure it is not the only one would nod their head in agreement that harry potter should be put to death and tell their 5 year old schoolkids that like they do in jesus camp.

She had a lot of nerve to bash everything in the name of the Bible.

Oh yeah? Harry Potter is evil, and he would've been put to death? He's a fictional character. Calm down.

Besides... what does the Bible say about gluttony?

Okay. Jokes aside, I think THIS woman is a prime example of why so many people hate believers. Ignorant brainwashers like her give the rest of us believers a bad name.

Only through yourself can you find God. Not through people like her.

From a psychological approach, this is a mental attack.

You gotta find a balance between spreading good and indoctrination. That's what I think...

imagine these kids on ATS when they grow up , defending what they have "learned".

A.E. Wilder-Smith
Raymond V. Damadian
Henry M. Morris
Duane Gish
Stephan A. Austin
Richard D. Lumsden

These are some of those "kids" who grew up learning creationism. I am certain they are able to defend their positions.

Originally posted by windword



Who was the "Morning Star" (Venus) Jesus or Lucifer? What led the 3 wise men, a star or an angel?

The light bearer.

Originally posted by micmerci

imagine these kids on ATS when they grow up , defending what they have "learned".

A.E. Wilder-Smith
Raymond V. Damadian
Henry M. Morris
Duane Gish
Stephan A. Austin
Richard D. Lumsden

These are some of those "kids" who grew up learning creationism. I am certain they are able to defend their positions.

I am sorry but you are obviously trying to skew the issue here.


Creationism is one thing. Is this what those people were taught in school:


I think not.

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

You give an example of how corrupt religion used misinterpretation as a means to retain power. This says nothing of what the scripture says

No i am pointing out what it actually says. It is you who adds more meaning to the words.
If what you just said were true then you just claimed all this religion was corrupt ,everywhere.

This is what you posted-

A flat circle is still ...flat.

Which is why you where sentenced to death by the church if you dared to claim the earth was a globe and not a flat plane.

Now you reply that you are pointing out what it actually says. Can you give me the scripture reference where it says this?

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


That is exactly how i think about religion. People can believe in god , any god they like or need without the intervention of any institution that dictates as to what and how you believe. Jesus told not to worship idols or build and visit churches to do so , look how well we listened to him.

Jesus camp is a prime example of how far it is taken. It is downright child abuse.

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

You give an example of how corrupt religion used misinterpretation as a means to retain power. This says nothing of what the scripture says

No i am pointing out what it actually says. It is you who adds more meaning to the words.
If what you just said were true then you just claimed all this religion was corrupt ,everywhere.

This is what you posted-

A flat circle is still ...flat.

Which is why you where sentenced to death by the church if you dared to claim the earth was a globe and not a flat plane.

Now you reply that you are pointing out what it actually says. Can you give me the scripture reference where it says this?

??

It is what was done by the church , you think that that is recorded in scripture? How many burned witches their names do you suppose are in scriptures ? Or names of books that were burned by the church , you think that those are found in scriptures too ?

Originally posted by Rubic0n
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

That is exactly how i think about religion. People can believe in god , any god they like or need without the intervention of any institution that dictates as to what and how you believe. Jesus told not to worship idols or build and visit churches to do so , look how well we listened to him.

Jesus camp is a prime example of how far it is taken. It is downright child abuse.

Here we are in complete agreement. Jesus camp is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

You give an example of how corrupt religion used misinterpretation as a means to retain power. This says nothing of what the scripture says

No i am pointing out what it actually says. It is you who adds more meaning to the words.
If what you just said were true then you just claimed all this religion was corrupt ,everywhere.

This is what you posted-

A flat circle is still ...flat.

Which is why you where sentenced to death by the church if you dared to claim the earth was a globe and not a flat plane.

Now you reply that you are pointing out what it actually says. Can you give me the scripture reference where it says this?

??

It is what was done by the church , you think that that is recorded in scripture? How many burned witches their names do you suppose are in scriptures ? Or names of books that were burned by the church , you think that those are found in scriptures too ?

So then why did you dispute my response when I said this is not in scripture but it is an example of a corrupt religion and their attempt to usurp power? Seems like my answer was exactly what you are saying here?

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by Rubic0n
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

That is exactly how i think about religion. People can believe in god , any god they like or need without the intervention of any institution that dictates as to what and how you believe. Jesus told not to worship idols or build and visit churches to do so , look how well we listened to him.

Jesus camp is a prime example of how far it is taken. It is downright child abuse.

Here we are in complete agreement. Jesus camp is ridiculous.

The point is of course that this sort of thing does not only happen in "jesus camp" and that people get upset by schools as depicted in the OP.

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

You give an example of how corrupt religion used misinterpretation as a means to retain power. This says nothing of what the scripture says

No i am pointing out what it actually says. It is you who adds more meaning to the words.
If what you just said were true then you just claimed all this religion was corrupt ,everywhere.

This is what you posted-

A flat circle is still ...flat.

Which is why you where sentenced to death by the church if you dared to claim the earth was a globe and not a flat plane.

Now you reply that you are pointing out what it actually says. Can you give me the scripture reference where it says this?

??

It is what was done by the church , you think that that is recorded in scripture? How many burned witches their names do you suppose are in scriptures ? Or names of books that were burned by the church , you think that those are found in scriptures too ?

So then why did you dispute my response when I said this is not in scripture but it is an example of a corrupt religion and their attempt to usurp power? Seems like my answer was exactly what you are saying here?

You stated that what was written in scripture "the circle of the earth" should be interpreted as being a globe. I pointed how how that was a wrong assumption and that "a circle" still does not mean "a globe" and if anything a flat circle as was taught by church and enforced by penalty of death.

You , are adding modern meaning to it which does not agree with actual history.

This is why I cannot do religion. There is too much picking and choosing scripture as well as science. At one time, the Sun revolved around the Earth, until science proved otherwise. There were many beliefs that were held by the early church that science has now disproven. Yet science is still the evil entity in a fight with the Bible.

Look at it this way, if God did make the Universe, He did so by following very precise rules. Rules we can measure today. In other words, that discipline we call science. The order and structure of everything shows how the Universe was created. Just because God is 'unknowable' does not mean He did everything on the fly.

No, by denying the sciences you are denying the great order and brilliance of God. The structure of the Universe, down to the quantum mechanics, had to be setup by either God or Satan.

reply to post by apokalupsis33vital


That would be a bad test coming from any kind of school not just christian. show your bias much??

one thing that i have not seen anybody mention.
isn't it up to the states and school boards to approve what is taught to in all schools? public, private or home schooled.

what i'm saying, doesn't one of these government bodies have to sign off on what is taught.
if not then the schools can teach 2+2 = 5, or water is dry.

so if i'm right one of these agencies, apparently found no problem will this.

reply to post by micmerci

Here we are in complete agreement. Jesus camp is ridiculous.

Yes, it is. Was. (It has been shut down, from what I've heard...although my source for that might be mistaken).

reply to post by Rubic0n

Jesus camp is a prime example of how far it is taken. It is downright child abuse.

Yes, it is.
Thanks for reinforcing that notion.

Originally posted by apokalupsis33vital
Ok, so a friend of mine sent this to me from back home. He doesn't know the name of the school, but you can deduce that it was given out by a one-sided, religious zealot by merely looking at it:

This is just ridiculous! Do administrators, even ones at Christian schools, realize the damage that they are causing to children by teaching them such blatantly false knowledge? How is this acceptable, academically speaking; and how does this assist in preparing a student for future study? I firmly believe that ideologies that purport that all matter and existence was created in a week should not be taught in an accredited learning institution, Christian or not; it is a disservice to the students, the community, and the future of our civilization.

Sure, I can't prove that there is not a creator. Sure, there are flaws in science. But the facts of nature that have been proven observations are innumerable compared to the alternatives that exist to explain the same things, which primarily only rely on faith of a divine intervention making it so. My heart goes out to the children whom do not know any better.

I was not taught as this child is. I was taught the atheistic-materialist view of the universe.
Yet now I believe that people and dinosaurs lived together. I believe in God. I believe that there will be an ultimate judgment of all people before God. I believe that the world was created in 6 days.

Yet astoundingly I can add 1+1=3 [just kidding, 2]. I can use/build computer systems. I've been to university. I pay my taxes. I love my wife. I try to get along, live and let live. I don't drink and drive. I can navigate a map. I can comb my hair [what’s left of it].

I know that when I look at a mirror I am seeing a reflection of myself. I am self aware and sometimes self conscious [especially when my wife asks me ‘you’re wearing those?’]. I can talk to you intelligently and reason with you even though we will probably never see eye to eye on some issues.

You made a claim, now I would like you to back up your premise that a religious belief that dinosaurs co-existed with people is damaging.

Because you claim this kid is being harmed and I hold the same beliefs, I want you to tell me exactly how my beliefs have harmed me?

Worse than versions of silliness being taught on a voluntary basis, is government that requires the teaching of its own versions of silliness.