Boston ISN'T a Farce at all...

Originally posted by randyvs
. Just think how easily you could convince me, if there were no such thing as Crisis actors .org ? The fact that they exist and no one can enter the site, or see a list of names employed, without n invitation ? That actually amounts to a DHS clearance. What more does a conspiracy site need to call conspiracies at every whim ? So, instead of trying to handicap what people are thinking. Check out the reasons they're thinking that way.

I hate to break this to you, but I can create a website within six hours that has a log in, with any identity or domain available. I could call it illuminaticlub.com and lock you out of it, and it means absolutely nothing.

You obviously also missed the statement on the site explaining what they do...

Helping schools and first responders create realistic drills, full-scale exercises, high-fidelity simulations, and interactive 3D films.

Don't you think that if there was a secret organization of actors appearing at atrocities like this they would be a little more secretive than having a damned website available to all on the internet!?

Originally posted by MillionsOfPeaches
Did you notice how witnesses are saying the cops ran the older brother over in a police SUV and then executed him in the street? In his autopsy photos he doesn't even look like a bomb blew him away.

AGAIN...Speculation and conspiracy...OK...but why not engage thinking centers when doing so? You might even end up with something solid?

"witnesses are saying the cops ran the older brother over in a police SUV and then executed him in the street?"

Plural? or just ONE witness? Anonomous or public? cuz there are 15 injured cops and dozens of Boston PD and FBI that are claiming something else entirely. Any crank can call and claim they saw something different...and that is the likliest scenario...at best you have some guy who didn't have a view that would compare in the least to the dozens of Boston PD that actually were there? How many dashboard cams do you think they have??? What are you going to claim when that video shows up in trial? That the entire FBI and Boston PD hoaxed multiple dashboard cams and are lying and none of them will come forward...cuz they are all just sneaky evil people?

" In his autopsy photos he doesn't even look like a bomb blew him away."

Why would you say that a bomb blew him up? He was WEARING an explosive vest with trigger...it did not detonate...he died of bullet wounds..Most likely...the Med Examiner has a lot to look at before declaring precisely what the official cause of death was.

Speculation and questions are fine, but research and think first...otherwise you are spreading disinformation IMO.

Originally posted by Telos
Nojoker as you say, is a matter of opinions. Bombing is real in my opinion. I just doubt the reasons behind it. Also the authors. Is a conspiracy forum, that's what we do in here.

edit on 22-4-2013 by Telos because: (no reason given)

Yes...and we also Deny Ignorance...ATS is different in that claims are tested. If something remains after the BS is excised it is all the more credible.

No one should ever throw a tantrum when thier claims are tested....if they do they have no business making the claim. Reply with evidence and logic...

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by roguedesigner

 

Personally I don't have a problem if people have some deep rooted need to see a conspiracy around every corner, everybody has a perfect right to get as funky as they wish even if logic has to be defied in the process. I do have a problem when they abandon their compassion and common human decency in order to look around those corners.

Then I guess you have a problem.

Did you read my first post up from your post on this page ? Here let me get that for you.

I saw it. You're going to have to work a whole lot harder to convince me. Sorry. Start with some evidence, and let's go from there. How, for example, does the fact that you need a log in to enter the site amount to a DHS clearance? There are areas on my company's site that you need a log in to enter, but DHS have never been anywhere near here. So other than supposition, this amounts to a DHS clearance.... how, exactly? Seriously, if you know something I don't then I'm keen to hear it. But please, back it up with facts and hard incontrovertible evidence.

As for having a problem, if by that you mean that I'm refusing to lower myself to sniping at people who have been horribly injured with no cause to do so other than my own paranoia, then yes I have a problem. One that I'm proud to have.

reply to post by Rocker2013


Why would you hate to break something to me that I already know but really see no point in your mentioning.
Considering the below statement you obviously know it to be a real site.

elping schools and first responders create realistic drills, full-scale exercises, high-fidelity simulations, and interactive 3D films.

reply to post by roguedesigner

You're going to have to work a whole lot harder to convince me.

You take to much for granted. I'm not try'in to convince you of a damn thing. Not with that
veil draped over your eyes. There isn't one iota of evidence anywhere that you can point to
that proves the whole thing isn't a farce. Or that would convict anyone. Acting like it isn't
possible is ignorance, not evidence. And trying to play on my sense of humanity ? Well
that's just weak at best.

reply to post by randyvs


Nice sidestep. Didn't answer the question that was asked in all seriousness.

Second line.

reply to post by WanDash


So I'm still waiting for that better answer, not yet given. just more rhetoric that hasn't done anything at all.

reply to post by Telos


Funny how you say the post wasn't directed at me for an answer then change the reply after I edited mine out. Hmmm. interesting.

reply to post by randyvs


I won't even favor you a response, but thanks for taking that path. It just makes it much easier to ignore you and much easier for anyone with half a brain to lose respect for you instantly. Though I had none for you to begin with so I suppose we're still at square one.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by WanDash

 

So I'm still waiting for that better answer, not yet given. just more rhetoric that hasn't done anything at all.

...to be honest - don't know what you're talking about. Unless you didn't read my last reply...to you (which would be found about...here - www.abovetopsecret.com... )
Otherwise...looks like I'm editing my reply...as, after consideration, the former reply is not what I want to say to you...
Hope you have a good day.

reply to post by WanDash


I always have a good day and maybe you just didn't understand what I said. Since you have a problem wit the official story then, again, I'd be happy to read evidence to the contrary. If there isn't good enough evidence you'd like to present then maybe, just a wild idea here, the official story is correct.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
...I always have a good day and maybe you just didn't understand what I said. Since you have a problem wit the official story then, again, I'd be happy to read evidence to the contrary. If there isn't good enough evidence you'd like to present then maybe, just a wild idea here, the official story is correct.

You're probably right (that I didn't understand)...and, I apologize for reacting as I did.
My problem with the official story has to do with the fact that there is more than one "official" story... Literally.
A number of "the facts" stated in the FBI's Affidavit that charges the younger brother...are at odds with "facts" that have been "heretofore" broadcast (newspaper websites, 'official' finishing times of runners, etc...).
I recognize that someone is probably right, and someone is probably wrong...with those "facts", but it's a little difficult to determine "who" or "which", with the information I've been able to examine.
And, some of the coincidences... ... ...
I know - there are always "coincidences"... So - I have to weigh the numbers and qualities of coincidences against the story as a whole, to see if the coincidences are too many (or strange), or if the whole story leaves room to account for them.
I won't go into any of the specifics, unless you ask.
Thanks again.

reply to post by NoJoker13


You crack me up ! With that .................response.
As if I vie for your respect. Respect is earned not given. What a corn ball thing to assume.

Originally posted by randyvs
You take to much for granted. I'm not try'in to convince you of a damn thing. Not with that
veil draped over your eyes. There isn't one iota of evidence anywhere that you can point to
that proves the whole thing isn't a farce. Or that would convict anyone. Acting like it isn't
possible is ignorance, not evidence. And trying to play on my sense of humanity ? Well
that's just weak at best.

Great post. This whole thread is denial rhetoric in the face of logic and evidence.

Originally posted by Morg234

When the suspects are Islamic terrorists, and the actions are just like we have seen for decades, all over the world, I really don't understand this refusal to accept that there are such terrorists.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

When facts of the case emerge that suggest otherwise. It has nothing to do with a "refusal to accept" such terrorists.

What "facts" would those be? Everything we have seen points to that being the case. Even the mother is totally fanatical. There are Islamic terrorists, in groups large and small, and have been for some time now. This isn't something new. Comments about "not understanding" Americans, tweets against America, jihadist comments from the mother....how much do you need?

reply to post by randyvs


I don't think you have much respect for yourself anyway, so I wouldn't expect that to be a problem. As I said continue your path... only hurting yourself.

reply to post by WanDash


Well that to an extent I can agree with, although I think their is more then one 'official' story do to the fact that so many news outlets try to get the 'right' story out there first. Then they fumble with information, name wrong suspects, and give out bad timelines. I realize all of this has changed through the course of the investigation and hopefully at the trial we will see the entire A to B to C scenario. Until then we can only wait and hope that everything was done correctly... or at least as correctly as it could have been done.

What this is, is a half an half plan.

If you have a group of people, and you wanted to have something done with the ok of everyone, you put it into a context no one in their right mind could ever deny / question. On top of that you'd make it so horrid and so unacceptable that if anyone was to question it, they are laughed right out of the conversation. On a few events in our history as a country, you can find these few and really are left going, " really? ".

You can say and think what you want, this is still part of our freedoms. But please, never forget you are a country being overrun by our elected government. Once they get too involved, too big to fail, then the rights of us the people fade away into some background of audacity , police state Rhetoric.

My heart goes out to those of this horrid event, I am not saying what happened didn't happen. I am saying that what happened contains more than what we saw and are told, and just like some other Huge events inside America, if you question this, you are considered a ( insert noun here ). What a way to deny ignorance, just blindly believe everything you think you see and hear, formulate an opinion and wahla, youre a disinfo agent...

This used to be a site of merit and actual information / conceptual footwork, we will see how far it's come. I have a hint, but would like life to imitate art for proof. .

Originally posted by NoJoker13
...Well that to an extent I can agree with, although I think their is more then one 'official' story do to the fact that so many news outlets try to get the 'right' story out there first. Then they fumble with information, name wrong suspects, and give out bad timelines. I realize all of this has changed through the course of the investigation and hopefully at the trial we will see the entire A to B to C scenario. Until then we can only wait and hope that everything was done correctly... or at least as correctly as it could have been done.

"Official" as was used in "more than one official story", was chosen from a literal context, as a part of the "discrepancies" are related to "the Official" times as reported (kept record of) by the Boston Marathon, itself.
I have been an investigator (in an occupational/professional sense) for the better part of two & a half decades. I recognize and expect the inherent confusion that arises in times of catastrophe and/or loss. Others who've not made the mistakes I've made, at jumping to immediate conclusions based on such confusion...will find out sooner or later, that they should have reserved opinion until more facts were in...or the clouded facts were cleared up (with sound explanations).
My point, there, is - I am now considered "one of the best" at what I do...but in the early days, I made tons of mistakes. Those who are not familiar with this landscape (those who are new to the concept of "conspiracy theory"), will either fall out of the race, become blabber-mouths that no-one takes seriously, or...learn.
Those that are "learners" can and will become valued contributors to the ideas discussed here (and elsewhere).
I, too, count that the volume of evidence (we are privy to) is leaning heavily toward the guilt of the two brothers.
But, I'm not waiting for the trial, to contend with loose-ends I see now.