Help me understand why you support Bush...

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Help me understand.

I remember sitting and watching the election returns last time around, in 2000, with a sinking feeling in my stomach. This time around, the feeling was more overpowering..

Thanks.

And I got a sick feeling in my stomach when I thought that Kerry would win. I voted for Bush both times because of his core moral values. I am not pleased with everything that Bush has done and I think he should have done some things he didn't do...yet hopefully. If Kerry ahd been elected stem cell research would have resulted in the destruction of more unborn babies. Gay marriage would have come more quickly. We would have been more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, because of Kerry's slowness to react.

Morally we CANNOT keep going down the road we are on, God will not allow a nation to continue that blatantly violates the His laws, especially one that claims to be christian. President Bush has slowed our moral decay and Kerry would have accelerated it.

well first off after being in the military for nine years I could see voting away something that couldnt be taken from us in over 220 years of our history,our sovernty to the UN.second skerry was no friend to my freedoms under the bill of rights,especialy my second ammendment rights.also I believe in capitalism,skerry is a socalist.Last I couldnt ever vote for anyone that advocates the killing of unborn children.thats about it.oh yea,hi all


Its Morning in America again!

I�d like to offer my observations�

My impression of the main difference between Republicans and Democrats when I hear them speak personally on the issues is their personal vision of the world.

Republicans are mainly concerned with issues affecting them personally and close to home (tax cuts, personal religious stances, feeling of personal security etc.) whereas Democrats seem mainly concerned about issues affecting the greater good like social questions, rule of law (rights) and multilateralism. Not that both don�t care for the other, it�s just a matter of degree.

I can understand that roughly 30% of the electorate is unilateralist, moralist and for selfish self-interests�

I can understand that roughly 30% of the electorate is for the �commons� and multilateralism�

What I can�t understand is the 40% who stayed home�

SO - what about the millions that felt that Kerry was NOT the lesser of two evils?

Originally posted by Bout Time
1) Religion - Multi part
War of Religionsit's been posed as a Crusade, our actions globally. It came down, in some of their eyes, being a referendum on Jehovah vs Allah
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Gay Marriage was forced to be a distraction first, then a hot topic. Just the meat they hungered for: every election, since the Dixiecrats became Republicans, has needed some moral strawman to hang it's hat on.

The Rapture point is speaking to the John Ashkroft faction.

2) Fear - name a terror alert that has lead to anything except crowd control & distraction from some other screw up? It's the "security Mom" demographic this year, remember?

3) Dogged stubborness - regardless of the administration officials who had a reason wake up call, Republicans refused to admit they were wrong.

BTs comments say it all about how out of touch the Democratic party is with respect to middle america. Contempt for those who actually decided the election. And I'm an atheist, if I notice you know it's bad.

There are many who consider themselves Christian, but are in no way fanatical, yet the left continues to classify all Christians as extreme. It's only natural that these people would have supported a candidate that does not find them so utterly reprehensible.

Had Kerry and the Dems courted the middle instead of alienating them - they would have won.

Just my 2 cents.

I voted for Bush for a few reasons

First the vast majority of other countries wanted Kerry. That made me want to vote for Bush all the more they want a President that will best bend to things they want ,which in most cases are not things best for the US.

Kerrys military spending record is just plain bad Kerry might make a great peace time president but we are in the middle of a war.

Kerrys gun control record No matter how many hunting photo ops he takes its not fooling anyone that looked at his record on the subject.

I couldnt care less about gay marriage for it against it whatever it aint going to affect me either way.

Originally posted by dbrandtMorally we CANNOT keep going down the road we are on, God will not allow a nation to continue that blatantly violates the His laws, especially one that claims to be christian.

Which laws are being violated? And what's wrong with the morality of tolerance and non-interference in others? I would think that the ultimate molarity is a show of compansion and respect for anyone, no matter who they are.

SkepticOverlord

I voted for President Bush because I believe in him. As a devout Christian I want a man in the oval office who loves Jesus Christ and takes this country in the direction that I feel is in our best interests. I don�t believe that his faith is dishonest and his actions have not given me any reason to believe that he is not a true Christian. John Kerry on the other hand is a liar, traitor and bogus Christian in my book. My vote for President Bush was based on his belief in the protection of the unborn, marriage and the war in Iraq.

The liberals were dealt another huge blow last night. We kept our President and they lost additional seats in both the House and Senate. Until the left learns that Hollywood is not the, �heart and soul� of America they are doomed to be a voice not heard.

Originally posted by Justmytype
bout time

What the hell does this have to do with what skeptic has asked of us????

I see no reason or sense of your post in this thread...

That's why I thought people voted for him.

you guys are going to be suprised at how many of the democrats in my state refused to vote for kerry. He alienated the southern democrats pretty well.

Other than my religous reasons (which are befuddled, since I've got immoral issues with gays, since for all intents and puropses, I am gay...long drawn out torturous mess for me and not apropriate here), It really went down to whose political bills completely paid for my first 3 years in college....that's Bush, btw....I'm getting my education becuase of Bush, not Kerry.

SkepticOverlord
And what's wrong with the morality of tolerance and non-interference in others? I would think that the ultimate molarity is a show of compansion and respect for anyone, no matter who they are.

Tolerance for another persons view point doesn�t mean acceptance. It simply means that you both can agree to disagree. I understand your viewpoint perfectly it�s a common one held by many Atheist. I�m not an Atheist; I�m a Christian. That means that everything I think about and believe in is going to be radically different from what your core values are. We are two different people. I want things my way and you want them your way. It�s really that simple.

In so much as we can come together in our beliefs without violating each other�s moral code we will. On those matters were no compromise will be made we must fight one another to achieve our goals. History shows this out and nothing new is under the sun.

I voted for Kerry, but I know exactly why Bush won. He was human. Some people think that the whole devout Christian thing is an act, but I don't think so--he's sincere about those things and people in the South & Heartland pick up on that.

In the eyes of the South & Heartland, Kerry was the typical patrician egghead snooty hipper-than-thou liberal, the type that looks down on those "backwards Christians."

It wasn't about the issues, it was about character.

Though I heard this funny line on the radio today where this guy said the reason Kerry lost was because he had annoying liberal backers such as Roseanne, Ashton Kutcher, and Sean Penn. Probably didn't help matters.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Which laws are being violated?

And what's wrong with the morality of tolerance and non-interference in others?

To the second question first. Because what don't know all the differences between right and wrong. Only God knows what wrong choices do.

If I plant a carrot seed in my garden, I'm not going to get corn, I'm going to get carrots. You reap what you sow, more than you sow, later than you sow. God's laws operate under the same principle. That's the way it is. He knows what works and what doesn't, that's why He's GOD. This nation has laws that allow the unborn to be killed in the womb from conception to just before birth. Now we are so desperate for medical miracles we think we can sacrifice more children looking for that one stem cell that will be just right. In the second debate, a lady stood up to ask Kerry her question. He obviously tuned out the first part. She told him no cure had ever come from stem cell research on aborted and or laboratory embryo's stem cells, but there had been promising results from stem cells taken from adults. Don't you see God's hand in this debate. The adult that didn't have to be killed is where research has found results, not from the death of someone God created. Alternative lifestyles are just a nice way to describe what God says is immoral. Premarital sex and adultery are rampant. We have children who are so desensitzed to violence that they take guns to school and kill others. This past summer a 70's something woman was raped by an 11 year old boy while some other teens watched, I believe on the same day a woman answered a knock on her door only to be shot for no reason.. Look around society in the U.S. has crumbled, life means nothing to the other person and self is placed above others. You cannot do whatever you want, our actions have consequences. The list goes on. People want God to bless America. God will not and cannot bless disobedience. One more thought in the abortion debate. People would desperately love to find a cure for cancer. What if we get to heaven and say to God, "We needed you to send us a cure for cancer and you didn't." What if God replies, "I did but you OK'd him (or her) to be aborted in 1973."

Do not count out God's intervention in the 2000 presidential election of having President Bush win by electoral count, the more time that goes by the more I believe this.

[edit on 3-11-2004 by dbrandt]

Well after reading all these post I am coming to the conclusion that most of you voted for God and jesus and fetuses, interesting I wonder what god and jesus has to said about all this, a nation that believe in more than one god, I wonder if this will make god and jesus go into a war to see wish one is the better man.

Perhaps elections are not over, heaven will have his version also.

I voted for Bush because I think he was the best candidate for the job, given the choices available.

That's it.

Stop whining please. Every country has problems. Why don't you come down here to S America and experience what do liberals and populist had done. If you like Europe then go, if you are willing to give 70% of your money to the "welfare" state. You cannot really appreciate the country where are you living, you are taking to many things for granted

Talking about abortion, why do people so get upset when a pregnat woman is murdered. Maybe they feel so sad for the child inside . But when it is convenient for them, liberals magically seem to forget the value of life. That's double standards to me

[edit on 3-11-2004 by Vladtepes]

Gools
My impression of the main difference between Republicans and Democrats when I hear them speak personally on the issues is their personal vision of the world.

Bingo, give that man a cigar!

Gools
Republicans are mainly concerned with issues affecting them personally and close to home (tax cuts, personal religious stances, feeling of personal security etc.) whereas Democrats seem mainly concerned about issues affecting the greater good like social questions, rule of law (rights) and multilateralism. Not that both don�t care for the other, it�s just a matter of degree.

You�re wrong here. We both want a government that promotes the, �greater good� we just don�t agree on what that is. This is why we will never get along and no amount of talk will ever make us agree on how to best run our government.

I could not wait until the election came around to see Bush get voted out. But the closer I studied and listened to Kerry's speeches and plans and schemes, the more afraid and uncomfortable I felt inside for America and the people. Initially, I had high hopes for Kerry, but in all honesty I think he frightened Americans by presenting such radical extreme schemes that made too many Americans feel uncomfortable.

When I watched and listened to Kerry, it was like watching a magician constantly pulling rabbits out of his hat. He travelled way too far beyond the realm of what Americas foundation truly is about. So because of HIM, I found myself leaning more toward seeing Bush win, again.

So for me, It wasn't that I support Bush that I'm relieved to have him as president of the USA again, it was more the lack of support I kept having for what Kerry was propsing to do to America.

There is no use talking about the should have's, but in my opinion, Kerry really could have won this election by a landslide if he had not presented himself as some kind of radical and unpredictable leader who was promising to change everything that the people of America have been grounded to for so many years.

4 more years of what Americans are used to is better than 4 years of pipe dreams & magic tricks that would lead the American people straight into a revolution.
~Magestica

[edit on 11/3/04 by magestica]

When it comes down to it, the election wasn't Rep. vs Dem.,(many Dem. voted for Bush) it was Lib. vs Con. As for why I supported Bush, I think this website is a perfect example. Take my moral and religous beliefs.(please) Which side has spent the last four years calling everything I(and many others) believe in stupid, backwards, ridiculous, and downright evil? If you guessed Liberal, you're right. If Liberals want to make significant changes in this country, they MUST stop the "everyone who believes differently than me is an idiot" routine. You see guys, when you routinely insult the core beliefs of a large number of people, they tend to not like you.(just to be fair, not ALL libs do this) I'm amazed that people who honestly believe that they are the only intelligent life in the world haven't figured this out.

[edit on 3-11-2004 by The Last Patriot]

Originally posted by Machine That means that everything I think about and believe in is going to be radically different from what your core values are. We are two different people. I want things my way and you want them your way. It�s really that simple.

You don't know my core values. Most christians have been taught to assume atheists have no morality. Why must everyone have things your way (as the Bush-voting extreme theists want)? How will living my life my way in private effect your moral code? Why is forcing your view of morality on me, moral?

Originally posted by dbrandt To the second question first. Because what don't know all the differences between right and wrong.

Sure we do. But the Bush-voting extreme theist appears to be inventing new rights and wrongs to divide this country and win the election. For example, my parents live in Florida and have come to believe that if Kerry were elected, gays will begin marrying immediately and the Bible will soon see distribution restrictions. Why? Because an RNC Bible-Thumper visited their church five times in the past year discussing the evil of Kerry. This RNC-sponsored lying campaign is immoral. How can you support the morality of deceiving people through their faith?

If I plant a carrot seed in my garden, I'm not going to get corn,

Wonderful. What about that first question... which of "God's laws" do you believe were broken that inspired your support for Bush? (I'm beginning to get a clear picture here.)