BOSTON BOMBING breaking supposed hacked photos of suspects now on alex jones navy seal hats?

The Israeli police force came in because they are experts in this area I believe.

From their ongoing conflict

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They have been flown in.

reply to post by Taggart


Maybe, need timestamps for the originals. I first saw the picture in the post above yours at 3pm GMT and also think it's the most suspect.

If that is the bag which held the bomb and not just some random bag that was near the blast then it does seem likely that it is him, bags match up at least from what can be seen.

O.k., I went through the pictures and based off the actual exploded backpack remains the only other back that seems to match that in these pics is the backpack with the tall, white male with red shirt and fleece. The gray strap on the side just doesn't seem to match any of the other backpacks of the suspects. That seems to be pretty conclusive unless, of course, that guy still had his backpack after the bombing--in which we would need a recording/photo of that.

What strikes me as odd is the way he's handling the bag. Not so much that he isn't wearing it on his back, as that is pretty normal, but just his hand position and where he has the strap placed around his arm. It seems unnatural and somewhat forced--like he isn't quite comfortable with the backpack--or their is something in it, in which he has to hold it a certain way. Another thing is his expression--it is very serene and disinterested--like he's head isn't really at the event.


And then there is the unkempt appearance. Beard growth seems scruffy and not really maintained---just like it had been grown out without care. He looks demonstrably tired, maybe even sick. His clothing choice seems a bit relaxed, maybe even sloppy? His red shirt almost seems to drag off him uncomfortably and unflatteringly--again the signs of a man not quite "at the game", so to speak.
Just my take...but of course the evidence is still out there.

Im glad to see on this thread people actually looking at the evidence and not just guessing

reply to post by ForwardDrift


Was thinking about it earlier and he could be holding it like that to avoid pickpockets? or because it's easier to drop it of course.

reply to post by Danbones


Whoever is doing it is disgusting.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
Im glad to see on this thread people actually looking at the evidence and not just guessing

guessing?

well you may judge for your self
no on else
every good cop knows to play the telltales and the hunches

I actually think flying the Israeli police force over will do no good. The Al qaeda hate the Israelis and their occupation . It will just inflame things. I understand that Israelis are probably quicker at solving terrorist cases. But this does nothing for the USAs image. They will just see the Americans and Israelis as being equally united against them.

reply to post by Danbones


Their appearance is distinctly one of trained, organized, Israeli types especially the handlers that are observing the delivery soldiers.

Look at the faces. Look at the postures.

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by NavyDoc
DEVGRU/JSOC types are very detail oriented. They woudn't dress up in a manner that screamed "military" and wear identifying insignia for something like this. They'd be a shaggy and unshaven and "average looking" as possible. (Look up "Robin Sage.")

We often agree, however, on this one there are degrees of agreement. Having worked in the community in cover "management" and in a counter surveillance training MTT you are right to a certain degree. The teams that are from DEVGRU/Delta and such and those who have training in ASOT are better at not looking like a loosely associated group of physical fitness buffs out for a day in their khaki pants, black polos and noticeably nondescript (non-branded) backpacks. The guys in training are so easy to spot it’s not even a real challenge because they are issued their gear.

If they are ASOT trained and Tier One operators they are failing...they stand out like a sore thumb in that photo. I don't find that likely. A two man team of Tier One operators on a covert operation will not dress identically unless that happens to validate their cover - say photographer/assistant etc.

Tier One operators acting on a mission that required anonymity won't stick out like this at all. However, the lower Tier teams with varying degrees of training do stick out - quite obviously in some cases.

When they deploy in groups it’s easy for me to spot them. How many groups of 4+ men, seemingly very fit hang out and check into the same hotel in gaggles? Eat together, drive in cars together, drink together, share rooms etc...

Hair can be grown, colored, shaved etc, beards can be grown and shaggy or chic, clothing can be regional, those things can all be managed by a good cover team. It is their Americanism's their manner, their dip addiction, the way they swagger, walk and even stand and interact with one another are the tells that give them away.

Remember these guys are not collectors or agents they are men of action their cover needs only be credible and plausible long enough to get in do the deed and get out.

I'm not going to comment on the more common covers they use as they are part of field craft but they are pretty thin really. They usually don't even have to withstand host nation LEO scrutiny as at some level they are informed.

Regarding the photo. Those two men are part of a military unit of some kind - who knows which one, they could be medics since they have identical black bags labeled with what look like numbers on them in tape on the handle - that suggests inventoried and issued items rather than personal gear that advanced operators/teams would have. They could have a buddy participating in their race, or any other number of plausible reasons for being there. However, the way they stand and interact screams unit cohesion/camaraderie of some kind. They are not hiding anything at all. If they are operators they are where they are supposed to be and they know no one is going to question them. One even has an access pass of some kind on his neck. (the one with the ear buds)

My guess is they are NG SF types (I think that there is a Company of one of the NG groups in Boston) playing some role in race management or control. Would be interesting to see their actions after the bomb went off to get a better feel.

Originally posted by NavyDoc
More likely is that these guys WANTED to look like agents or cops because, believe it or not, you can get quite a bit of access just by looking the part.

Here is the agreement -what better cover than a semi-official, quasi-military style military LEO look for a covert group of foreign agents or terror groups to use to gain unquestioned access to a fairly secure event? That with a semi-official looking pass and you can tool around talking into a ear piece and go gray... walk around like you belong and you are in charge and no low level cop wants to say anything because then they are admitting they are not in the "know" about who is all involved. Same with mid-level supervisors. Now they might be questioned by real spotters but not likely.

I don't think these are the bombers however, even though they look vaguely Middle Eastern. Again, they scream I am supposed to be here and part of some kind of unit as we are all dressed in similar clothing and have similar gear. If they are the actors in this scenario they are not foreign IMO based on my knowledge of KENSICs they appear American in the way they interact and stand.

To me they are clearly American. That doesn't rule out domestic actors I am afraid.

Also all the gear (and clothing) they have can be purchaced fairly cheap on any of the common LEO military web sites - US Cav, Cheaper than Dirt etc. That doesn't mean anything.

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reply to post by FreedomEntered


You can be certain that specialist investigators and liaison agents from many countries and agencies are in the loop and on the ground within 18 hours of an event like this recent one. Its much easier to communicate face to face if the need arises. So they send their guys to sit in a hotel and wait for the phone call, seems pretty reasonable to me, especially if there is a possibility that these guys can recognise faces in photographs of crowds that large.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
I actually think flying the Israeli police force over will do no good. The Al qaeda hate the Israelis and their occupation . It will just inflame things. I understand that Israelis are probably quicker at solving terrorist cases. But this does nothing for the USAs image. They will just see the Americans and Israelis as being equally united against them.

And the problem with that is........?

Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by Taggart

 

Maybe, need timestamps for the originals. I first saw the picture in the post above yours at 3pm GMT and also think it's the most suspect.

If that is the bag which held the bomb and not just some random bag that was near the blast then it does seem likely that it is him, bags match up at least from what can be seen.

edit on 17-4-2013 by aivlas because: (no reason given)

edit on 17-4-2013 by aivlas because: letters wrong

I don't know if it is or isn't my answer was 'It could be either or neither'' I'm not even the one who posted the pictures.

Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by ForwardDrift

 

Was thinking about it earlier and he could be holding it like that to avoid pickpockets? or because it's easier to drop it of course.

Yeah, that is perfectly plausible, as well. Can anyone make out the little symbol on his blue fleece? Anyone know what clothing line that symbol represents? Could tell us where he potentially git his clothes from, which may tell us something more about him (his financial capability). Then again, it may tell us nothing...but it is worth knowing, at least.

I dont know quite what to make of these pics yet.
However, to all you guys taking about the ear piece, are you serious? You act like youve never seen a person with an earbud in before. Good lord, people everywhere keep one ear bud in to listen to music or talk on the phone while still be able to hear whats going on around them. I do it, and I see people everywhere doing it, the grocery store, the gas station, at the chinese buffet!

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
I actually think flying the Israeli police force over will do no good. The Al qaeda hate the Israelis and their occupation . It will just inflame things. I understand that Israelis are probably quicker at solving terrorist cases. But this does nothing for the USAs image. They will just see the Americans and Israelis as being equally united against them.

Israeli police will gather up and cover up evidence. This is most definitely a false flag operation to demonize gun powder and reloaders, so-called ''right wing'' crazies, anybody who thinks taxes may be too high (everybody basically), and the infamous ''white guy''.

Originally posted by coop039
I dont know quite what to make of these pics yet.
However, to all you guys taking about the ear piece, are you serious? You act like youve never seen a person with an earbud in before. Good lord, people everywhere keep one ear bud in to listen to music or talk on the phone while still be able to hear whats going on around them. I do it, and I see people everywhere doing it, the grocery store, the gas station, at the chinese buffet!

or meeting up with other guys dressed just like you behind Black SUV's with police lights on
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reply to post by Golf66


That's the point. You can point out the DEVGRU/JSOC guys: same REI pants, #s, hats, and watches. However, the point still stands very well. If "they" were going to send a unit to make a false flag, "they" are not going to dress in a fashion that identifies them. What is the point of a false flag by a secret squirrel if you wear a hat that says "secret squirrel?"

A lot of us volunteer for public events. I think that you are correct that you may be seeing some NG SF types that volunteered to work the event. The bags are same size and shape of trauma bags we use. I wore a very similar getup with a very similar bag when I volunteered at the USMC marathon.

Im really struggling to get my head round all this, its clearly not a "known" or "regularly suspected" terrorist group, if it was they'd have laid claim to this already. The two men in dark jackets and desert boots definately scream military, dont know what it is they just do, i cant help but think theyre ours though.

If these two particular men are ours then they were probably working undercover, this would explain the lack of media coverage regarding them, their cover would be blown, its very possible that theyve already been looked at and cleared but it has been kept from the public for this very reason.

From the evidence given to us regarding the bombs, any person in America could probably make them that way, im sure the internet has a few in depth pages on how to make them somewhere. This is also the problem regarding the bombs, they appear to be made from everyday, ready available materials which will make them harder to trace back to someone.

If its a known enemy, they dont want us to know its them.

This is either because, theyre hoping the blame goes elsewhere (intentionally), or theres more to come and they have a job to finish before owning up.

I hope a lead is found soon because my head hurts with it all.

What are the undercover guys getting pinned with, bomb plotting or security?