BREAKING:Explosion At Boston Marathon

reply to post by hoochymama

Some bomb components are more odoriferous than others. C-4 has an incredibly strong scent; it's followed in decreasing order of smelliness by dynamite, TOVEX, detonating cord, and TNT."

Keep reading down that list, what's at the bottom ?.
I will give you a hint, it's made of sulfur, charcoal, and saltpeter.

The only nitrite in it is the saltpeter, and that's naturally occurring .

Show me one link where canines are trained to detect Black powder.

reply to post by TravisBickle451
Do you people even read the posts?? This event wouldnt happen at these events (and they didnt) because these are the most guarded (swept before hand) events in the World. The Boston Marathon is one of them. I didnt say "this should happen at these events" so please re read what your trying to imply.

msm is talking about the Saudi 20 year old student on visa. They are also talking in the same breath the wonders of having more cameras in Boston than any other city. Ok so is this about the go ahead for installing cameras everywhere? With gold on a rapid decline time to invest in the companies who make the cameras...

Crappy bombs...Ted Kaczynski would be embarrassed at the crappy work. Hiding them in trash cans?

When they explained the bombs, it was crap you got at home, nothing fancy, nothing as eloquent as ol' Ted's handywork, those were a lot fancier, even if he screwed up a couple course those were meant for single targets.

This is almost like some kids wanting to prank the marathon setting off 2 trash can "poofs" when runners crossed the finish line.

Notice it was the finish line and 1 block back covering the final leg of the run. I think it was kids thinking it would be fun and cool, they screwed up and hurt people and that was NOT IN THE PLAN.

When they realized their "OH SH!$ moment", he/she or they decided to keep lips sealed and move with the crowd and get out of there and will never speak of it again, and live with the guilty conscience rest of their life/lives.

I doubt this was any attack, or planned terrorist attack, or false flag, etc...

the type bombs were soooooo novice, we used to build the exact same bombs in Physical Science in 9th grade, we had a football coach for teacher and he taught us lot of cool stuff in the 80's, even brought his Russian SKS to school and let his students fire it at a target on the back band practice field. Of course back then in the 80's our highschool had a smoking section for students so go figure... lot more freedoms back then.

I don't see how these bombs are the work of some planned attack, they are so infantile easy, everyone in this forum has the exact ingredients at home.

I think it was meant to be a celebratory BANG prank type thing to make people jump, but they didn't realize just how big a bang that would get and people were too close making the trashcan a flying chain saw for the 2 at point blank, 1 losing both his legs.

go to images.google.com and search boston marathon lost legs to see the uncensored photo in super high resolution over 3000x3000 resolution it's the very first image click more sizes to get the super high res image.

This looks more like an accident screwup... it was meant to be a prank but a guilty conscience will be rough to live with.

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty
OK. Here you go.

Black Powder Sniffing Dog

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by bbracken677

 

Assumption?

You accuse CTist of making grandiose assumptions based on no-little evidence then you do what you accuse us of doing.

please stop it. Your not good at this.

You are right...I am not paranoid, nor am I stupid.

My point being that claiming a false flag at this point with zero evidence is about as ignorant as you can get. Period. Stupid. Period.

Originally posted by charleychibi

Originally posted by bill3969
reply to post by mikelkhall

 

There either has to be a way to block/mask the smell for the dogs, or there must be multiple bombers to get that much of a spread between them. It would be less settling to think that it was a coordinated attack, so I choose to believe the dogs were tricked or had the flu.

It's actually extremely difficult to get things past detection dogs. Flu? Highly doubtful. Who wants a sick detection dog on the job? It's all very suspicious to say the least.

I'm not saying they did have the flu, just that I would rather believe that the dogs missed the smell as opposed to it being a multi-person attack. I may turn out to be completely wrong, but at the moment, that is what I would like to think.

Tragic indeed...

I just caught this on NBCNews.com.

Timeline: Tragedy at the Boston Marathon

10:20 p.m. — Police confirm two explosives, each of which contained BBs or ball bearings that functioned as shrapnel; be-on-the-lookout alerts are issued for a man seen leaving the blast scene in dark clothing and a hood as well as one for a rental truck seen attempting to enter the area near the finish line.

Another interesting point... Initial reports claim 'Multiple Casualties' at both of the blast sites.

4:30-5 p.m. — Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis says each of the two blasts had multiple casualties. He urges people to stay inside and not gather in large groups.

Yet not until 8:55pm, does the Police Commissioner announce the death toll has risen, from 2 to 3.

8:55 p.m. — Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis announces the death toll rises to three in the Boston Marathon explosions.

Interesting. I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm sure the first reports were rather scued, due to the mass amounts of blood, and limbs scattered throughout the scene. I mean, those pictures seem to indicate a tremendous loss of life...

Unfortunately, I've also read one of the victims was an 8yr old. Sad day for America. It just goes to show you, that anything can happen at anytime; it's important to value what matters most and don't take anything for granted.

I'll be keeping watch on this, only time will tell.

Be safe.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Well, you all want some conspiracy, how about this:

That's beyond bizarre! Anyone on ATS catch that footage?

Anyone know if that could be video editing? At a glance, it seems legit, but I know a lot can be done.

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty


Rocky have you ever played around with Pyrodex? I haven't, but if I was a scumbag and i had to choose between blackpowder and pyrodex I know what I would pick. I wonder if it smokes as badly as blackpowder (which is what I'm leaning towards) and to a lesser extent, regular plain old FFFF Red Dot.

I'm still leaning towards DIY blackpowder.

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by hoochymama

 

Some bomb components are more odoriferous than others. C-4 has an incredibly strong scent; it's followed in decreasing order of smelliness by dynamite, TOVEX, detonating cord, and TNT."

Keep reading down that list, what's at the bottom ?.
I will give you a hint, it's made of sulfur, charcoal, and saltpeter.

The only nitrite in it is the saltpeter, and that's naturally occurring .

Show me one link where canines are trained to detect Black powder.

Dogs have demonstrated their ability to detect a wide range of smokeless powders, black powders, and black powder substitutes ...
www.nap.edu...

Retriever Training for Gun Dogs and Competition. with Pat Nolan and ... 5 Reasons for Agility Training · Obedience ... Black Powder Detection Training Labrador ...
ponderosakennels.com...

determine the feasibility of training dogs to detect explosives such as dynamite, black powder, C4, etc. II. CONCLUSIONS. 1. It is possible to train dogs to ...
www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/736829.pdf

Thats just three examples. Dogs can absolutely be trained to do it.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by TravisBickle451

 

Do you people even read the posts?? This event wouldnt happen at these events (and they didnt) because these are the most guarded (swept before hand) events in the World. The Boston Marathon is one of them. I didnt say "this should happen at these events" so please re read what your trying to imply.

Yes, I read your post. Perhaps you should follow suit.

Better yet, try writing in a clear fashion so your ideas can actually make sense.

Your original post is still not clear and won't be no matter how many times people read it.

Originally posted by Dumbass
Does anyone have that link to the story runners were warned that they would die if they woukd run this marathon? It is somewhere in this thread..

Yes, actually had it opened while reading your post -

here you go -

I am not sure if the scale of injuries is being presented to accurately depict just how terrible this tragedy is.

I saw some of the graphic images coming out of the aftermath and I can tell you I was really enraged by what I saw.

So many times when we hear reports coming out of this type of event, we don't realize just how awful it is for the wounded and those tending to them.

It reminds me of learning about a fatal car accident. I know someone lost their life, but I don't imagine what their injuries looked like, or I assume they died from internal injuries and tell myself their outward appearance probably doesn't show any gory damage inflicted by the wreck.

We hear the reports of shrapnel injuries, amputations, and critical patients, but we may not realize the extensive carnage present at the scene. It is terrible, something you may think only happens in other places.

I pray for each and every victim, from those who lost their lives and are struggling to stay alive, to those who suffered superficial injuries. I also pray for and thank the heros who gave no second thought of their own safety as they bolted into action, providing instant aid to the injured and dying.

I am not sure if any of you have seen the uncensored, graphic images and video coming out of there, but I recommend you taking a 'pass' on viewing it - if you have the opportunity to see it. Seeing those things will really serve no purpose, other than conjuring an unhealthy dose of rage and you will never be able to unsee them.

It's not something I am familiar with, but whenever I learn of who is responsible for doing this, I know I will hate them - I already do, based on the images. I don't like feeling hate and all the other things it brings. Knowing someone is responsible for making me feel this way causes my hate for them grow even more.

Those poor people... May Angels carry them through this time.

Originally posted by bbracken677

Originally posted by badfish420

Originally posted by hoochymama
The dog must learn to recognize thousands of active ingredients that might be used in an explosive. Trainers expose the canine to signature compounds that are found in many different types of explosives. In this way, a dog can be trained to detect all manner of bombs by memorizing a dozen or so smells. Some bomb components are more odoriferous than others. C-4 has an incredibly strong scent; it's followed in decreasing order of smelliness by dynamite, TOVEX, detonating cord, and TNT."

I emphasize "THOUSANDS OF ACTIVE INGREDIENTS". How could this be a Black Powdered bomb?? Or whatever is being speculated without the dogs finding it.

Black powder is used in bullets and dogs are capable of detecting trace amounts. If the dogs were to alert on black powder it would be alerting constantly.

edit on 15-4-2013 by badfish420 because: (no reason given)

Ignorance in motion here....

Black powder is NOT used in bullets. LET ME REPEAT....NOT USED IN BULLETS.

Black powder is used in old style weapons like...muskets. Flintlock type stuff, you know? Primitive weapon season...you know?

What is used in modern bullets is a totally different animal.

Could one use whatever is in modern day bullets to construct a bomb? I would think the dogs would not train on that since their handlers would be carrying loaded guns.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Well, you all want some conspiracy, how about this:

That's beyond bizarre! Anyone on ATS catch that footage?

Anyone know if that could be video editing? At a glance, it seems legit, but I know a lot can be done.

Its a bloody sheet, right before the guy walks by it starts to be lifted up, by the time he has walked past the sheet is folded over.

Originally posted by bill3969
I'm not saying they did have the flu, just that I would rather believe that the dogs missed the smell as opposed to it being a multi-person attack. I may turn out to be completely wrong, but at the moment, that is what I would like to think.

Wishful thinking is the best way to go as far as sanity is concerned. But realism is the only way you discover things you did not before. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Benefit of the doubt. Lets say the Dogs missed the Black Powder:

Tags used in Black Powder

So, it seems that pretty much all black powder produced since at least the 70's has some sort of "tag" in it to make it traceable.

I guess its reasonable that either:

1. The perps were able to extract the tag

2. They used a form of black powder produced before the 70's

Which, could explain why the Dogs didnt find it.

I will give you that but than you would need to give the Perps credit for coming up with a plan that made it virtually impossible to either find them in the first place and also come up with a plan that made it impossible for them to find the devices before they went off. This had never happened before and someone having Black Powder without the tag would need a lot of money I would think.

Interesting to say the least.

Originally posted by Cito
Crappy bombs...Ted Kaczynski would be embarrassed at the crappy work. Hiding them in trash cans?

When they explained the bombs, it was crap you got at home, nothing fancy, nothing as eloquent as ol' Ted's handywork, those were a lot fancier, even if he screwed up a couple course those were meant for single targets.

This is almost like some kids wanting to prank the marathon setting off 2 trash can "poofs" when runners crossed the finish line.

Notice it was the finish line and 1 block back covering the final leg of the run. I think it was kids thinking it would be fun and cool, they screwed up and hurt people and that was NOT IN THE PLAN.

When they realized their "OH SH!$ moment", he/she or they decided to keep lips sealed and move with the crowd and get out of there and will never speak of it again, and live with the guilty conscience rest of their life/lives.

I doubt this was any attack, or planned terrorist attack, or false flag, etc...

the type bombs were soooooo novice, we used to build the exact same bombs in Physical Science in 9th grade, we had a football coach for teacher and he taught us lot of cool stuff in the 80's, even brought his Russian SKS to school and let his students fire it at a target on the back band practice field. Of course back then in the 80's our highschool had a smoking section for students so go figure... lot more freedoms back then.

I don't see how these bombs are the work of some planned attack, they are so infantile easy, everyone in this forum has the exact ingredients at home.

I think it was meant to be a celebratory BANG prank type thing to make people jump, but they didn't realize just how big a bang that would get and people were too close making the trashcan a flying chain saw for the 2 at point blank, 1 losing both his legs.

go to images.google.com and search boston marathon lost legs to see the uncensored photo in super high resolution over 3000x3000 resolution it's the very first image click more sizes to get the super high res image.

This looks more like an accident screwup... it was meant to be a prank but a guilty conscience will be rough to live with.

Except the bombs included shrapnel and there was the other bomb at the JFK library.

This indicates intent.

It was just announced on FNC that three are confirmed dead 9though they had that number in the banner earlier), and at least 140 injured. Doctors are reporting that they have to dig out shrapnel from wounds, and there was more talk of missing limbs. Horrible thing, for all those there, and their loved ones.

They have blocks of the city cordoned off, and it's reported as looking like a war zone. The Saudi national is a real person of interest, but they won't yet label him as a "suspect".

I have to wonder how many more devices they might find, if any. Can only imagine the number of bags and whatnot abandoned as people fled.