Maryland Rain Tax (Yes, a rain tax)

:shk: ugh ...

I wish I was born in the 1800s in the Old West ...
Life made more sense back then ....

Originally posted by FireballStorm
A good reason to collect and store the water that would otherwise runoff your property and into the drains. Then you can use it to water your garden/yard when it's needed.

Sounds like that's what they're trying to discourage. Self-sufficiency.

The "nitrogen" tax is just like the "carbon tax". Designed to fool people.

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If any gas is going to help ruin our environment its methane. Not C02 and not N2

I just wonder if you would make a pond to collect your own rainwater and that of the neighbours if you could collect some taxmoney. As you don't allow rainwater that has fallen on your land to drain to the cities water solutions you actually prevent floods. Kinda like solarpanels.

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Sorry I couldn't resist.....

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Except, they aren't blaming the rain, they're blaming us for the rain.

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We had this very thing in Colorado Springs a few years ago. It was sneakily put into place by our city council without being voted on by tax payers. They formed an "enterprise" that collected all the "fees" and managed all the storm water related projects... All to avoid the hassle of complying with TABOR.

Thankfully, we got it revoked about 2 years later.

My point being: there is hope to undo this garbage... Get involved if you can!

ETA: the EPA angle is particularly disturbing in this case. The battle will be much more difficult for Maryland.

Why don't they simply mandate the farmers (who are causing the problems via the non-sustainable and irresponsible farming/dairy practices) to change their ways?

Oh - that's right. Because Monsanto, Cargill and a plethora of other "Agriculture" companies have the EPA in their back pocket

"Maryland Rain Tax (Yes, a rain tax)"
Wow!
These people and their taxes,they have gone completly mental.

Having lived in Maryland for a while (stationed there in the Military) I found the place to be a near communist slice of AmeriKa.

Let's give them the benifit of a doubt and say this is a legitimate concern...yet.

I wonder if there are more square feet of impervious dirveway and roofs or more of public roads and government buildings. Who is the major offender?

The government or the people...

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
This calls for a bit of good old Tim Hawkins music:

the government itself is immune to this tax

lol of course they are immune, who would they pay it to... themselves?

They would make it a budget line item for the entities that contribute to the supposed issue, which should (in theory) reduce the cost to the tax payer.

My point isn't necessarily that the government is not paying as well, but that the tax is simply another way to steal money for programs that have nothing to do with the nitrogen levels of Chesapeake Bay.

The science makes sense...the application in the form of a tax is the problem. Now, if I were confident this tax were going toward real changes in infrastructure to allow rain to percolate into the ground water or to stop runoff into the Chesapeake from being so polluted, I might get behind it as a short term solution.

Bottom line, driveways, parking lots and urban areas in general do affect how groundwater collects and even sinkholes and other erosion. I just don't see a tax as being the right way to fix it. Perhaps instead a tax incentive for property owners who switch to a layout or set up that creates less negative effects on the water cycle, like some sort of "greentop" parking lot or a mall or other large surface building that stores all rainwater in a cistern for on-premises gray water applications, like toilets or watering landscaping.

Torrent = rain or flood

Sounds like another buzz cut.

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I used to live on the Chesapeake Bay. I could see the bay bridge from the beach where my house was. Seeing first hand the low oxygen die offs in the bay this is a problem. Where I lived was outright damaged by the behavior of others parts of the year the bay was toxic.

The EPA already dinged PA for the tributary rivers. MD needs to step up. Is a rain tax an answer? No. But it's a lot simpler than having some guy roam around with a spectrometer measuring ammonia and nitrogen levels in yards and fields.


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The city board tried to pull this BS on people in Elgin, IL the past few weeks. We had an election the 9th and voted some of the s#$tbags out.

Pay very close attention to what I'm about to say. This has EVERYTHING to do with "sustainability", agenda 21, the united nations, and is being used as yet another way to control you. I have friends who got letters from the village warning them about their campers parked in their driveways during the summer. I read the letter and almost fell off my chair when I read that the village code they were violating was actually an "international" code. This means agenda 21. Why would a local town be involved with international municipal codes? Because in 2009 the city of Elgin signed up to be part of iclei. The international council for local environmental initiatives. Again, this has everything to do with agenda 21, the united nations, control, etc.

iclei needs to be dismantled and it has to start at the local level. Get involved. Seek out candidates who are against sustainability, the un, agenda 21, and iclei. The politicians who support iclei and additional taxation need to be removed from office (via the ballot box) and replaced with candidates who will fight for our rights as American citizens. Your municipality will not ask your permission when they sign up to be a part of the iclei. This should bother you. If it doesn't then you need to reassess your position in life and whether your existence is at all meaningful.

I have another friend who was on the village board in the town he lives in but had never heard of iclei or agenda 21. When I explained what was happening in Elgin, explained what agenda 21 is, and gave him a few websites to look over he called me back and admitted to me that his village was trying to force this crap on the people in his town. Fortunately he managed to block their efforts. For now...

Notice I did not capitalize iclei, the un, or agenda 21. This is because I have no respect for these organizations/ideologies. Neither should you.

Ignorance is not bliss. Stop sitting on your hands and start talking to your neighbors, friends, people at city hall, people you run into at the coffee shop, grocery store, library. Spread the word, educate yourselves, and don't let this crap take root in your town!

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
So, due to the EPA ordering the state of Maryland to reduce nitrogen levels by 22% in Chesapeake Bay, the wonderfully socialistic government of the state passed a 'Rain Tax' that goes into effect on July 1st and naturally, the government itself is immune to this tax.

When are people going to stand up for themselves? Taxes such as this one are the very reason the colonies revolted against the English crown, and yet here we are, dealing with it all over again and allowing it to occur.

I propose a new tax, how about the people impose a tax on the government for every lie that is proven to be such, that is told by the government? We could give it a nice name like 'The forked-tongue tax', or 'The B.S. tax".

If the government is so concerned with the ecological effect that runoff water is having on the environment, why then are THEY immune to the tax?

It took every ounce of self-control that I possess to write this while maintaining some form of decorum, Read the article and judge for yourselves.

Maryland Rain Tax

The Secular Progressives are emboldened with Obama in the White House.

They are Deer Ticks looking for ' just another revenue stream ' to fund their out of control

spending in Maryland.

I can already see people from Maryland fleeing persecution and moving to Virginia.

The remaining citizens will stage a new Boston Tea Party.

Originally posted by Signals
Nitrogen levels?

The air we breathe is 78% nitrogen!

Kinda like Carbon tax....The most abundant element in the Universe.

It's not the most abundant by a long shot. It's actually seventh in abundance, since it only occurs by carbon-oxygen fusion in supernovas. It is about 78% of the earth's atmosphere. And it is very important in blowing things up - like Waco (NH3), or dynamite (the N in TNT), or C4 (cyclotrimethylene trinitramine).

I'd build a big rain collector over the surface of my property and direct the rain into the soil. Then I'd tell the city none of my surfaces were keeping rain water from going into the earth, and then I'd give them the finger.