Ex-military bio-enviromental engineer Kristan Meghan blows whistle on Air Force chemtrails

reply to post by ParanoidAmerican

That is is it not debunked, explained.

I am pretty sure showing that the makers of that movie are misrepresenting the truth is debunking it.

de·bunk (d-bngk)

To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of

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reply to post by clairvoyantrose

WELL NOBODY IS TAKING SOIL SAMPLES SO MYEH." Well again, yes people actually are. Many are published to websites. All it takes is a simple google search.

And what are they finding in those soil samples?

Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican
Interesting she has graced another forum....I will provide a link if the Mods ok it...

"Good afternoon everyone,

I found this thread by way of a friend informing me there were questions about the validity of my activism and the information I share. In the above comments there seems to be concerns about my background. I spent nine years in the USAF on active duty, the AF does not use "MOS" we use AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code). My AFSC was 4B071, I was an E-5 SSgt NCO. I completed certifications on the job from my extensive and diverse work experience and worked toward my degree while I was on active duty. Once I separated from Active Duty I was hired as a GS-12 at the VHA with the Position Description (PD) of "Industrial Hygienist/GEMS Coordinator. What GEMS mean is Green Environmental Management Systems. Another word for this is Environmental Specialist. I am currently in Grad school and working toward my CIH. With all this said, my background has little to do with my personal and professional integrity.

I have done numerous media appearances and contributed to different sites as a journalist. Any time you put yourself out there in any forum, with it brings accepting there will be times you will be assumed a liar, made fun of, mocked for physical features and have your motives questioned. I applaud those who research information any one share, too often people jump on a conspiracy bandwagon without their own critical thinking. My involvement as an activist surrounding out government infringing upon our constitutionally protected liberty is directly coordinated with my leaving the military as a whistleblower. I used to think people who questioned “everything” were a hindrance on society and a waste of time to deal with. I found that, for some, it is not until something directly impacts you on a personal level that your eyes open to what really goes on and can happen.

There have been comments made about me changing the descriptions of my job, which I disagree with. My job in the military was a multifaceted and complex, ranging from industrial hygiene, environmental, emergency response/management, and MNBC programs. One of the duties was to link hazardous materials brought on base to a specific task. In the AF us called a “3952”. Although an official form, it was also in an electronic format. Personnel would request the purchase and use of hazardous materials and it had to be approved, declined, or approved with conditions. In some cases, if in a different country, some chemicals could not be used to the host nation’s environmental laws.

To avoid this thread going into an assumption direction, I am here to answer questions and reply back on this thread, or you can email me at [email protected]"

Thanks for the excellent contribution.

I'm past the point wondering if chemtrails really exist due to the heavy Orwellian effort trying to convince us they don't, I'm more concerned about the "why" of chemtrails existing, given the massive effort to convince us they don't, even with patents and all the other evidence, not to mention our own eyes. If we who try to get the truth out about chemtrails are "deluded", why is there such a quick and concerted effort to convince us otherwise on these threads? Usually one does not bother to have a discussion with a "deluded" or "crazy" person, especially if they are anonymous.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

I think you have that wrong as those who are perpetrating this chemtrail hoax are the ones with an agenda... It's called money...

And those vehemently trying to deny that chemtrails exist, are not driven by an agenda to preserve their millions in grants from the people they would have to expose to publish such a thing, are they?

They aren't driven by a desire to remain with the 'in crowd', and avoid being labeled a 'crackpot' or 'fringe' scientist for telling the truth, are they?

It's amazing how many arguments I see on ATS, that criticize and ridicule free-thinking outside of the establishment, that is simply ignored when turned on it's head and addressed to their idols and deva's.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Higher levels of aluminum, in artificial forms, that by nature, does not exist in nature. For one, anyways.

The problem is everyone of those "studies" you will find on a "quick google search" are from people that have absolutely no backround in the field they are trying to test in. I can go out and pull soil samples and talk about how there is Mole People under us pushing bacteria filled feces through the earth at us and back it up with soil samples of mammalian feces traces in the soil..... AND ITS ALL OVER THE WORLD! OMG! ಠ_ಠ

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

So let me just paraphrase all of that propaganda for the 'establishment', into you just agreed with the story of your 'superiors' that was more comfortable to your societal paradigm; thanks for your input.

So then why not participate and show me the evidence that chemtrails exist or are you not able to do so.

My superiors would love to see what you have in the way of evidence of chemtrails...

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

And those vehemently trying to deny that chemtrails exist, are not driven by an agenda to preserve their millions in grants from the people they would have to expose to publish such a thing, are they?

That's interesting because I deny chemtrails and I have no grants, so that is a fallacy.

They aren't driven by a desire to remain with the 'in crowd', and avoid being labeled a 'crackpot' or 'fringe' scientist for telling the truth, are they?

Please show me a scientist that says chemtrails exist?

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

Higher levels of aluminum, in artificial forms, that by nature, does not exist in nature. For one, anyways.

And you can show evidence of this I take it?

So unnatural forms of aluminum are being detected in soil samples, and they know this came from chemtrails at 30,000 ft above their heads?

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

"The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). Liquid propane, which expands into a gas, has also been used. This can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is becoming more popular[citation needed] after promising research.[1]....

"With an NFPA 704 rating of Blue 2, silver iodide can cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury to humans and mammals with intense or continued but not chronic exposure. However, there have been several detailed ecological studies that showed negligible environmental and health impacts.[13][14][15] The toxicity of silver and silver compounds (from silver iodide) was shown to be of low order in some studies. These findings likely result from the minute amounts of silver generated by cloud seeding, which are 100 times less than industry emissions into the atmosphere in many parts of the world, or individual exposure from tooth fillings.[16]

Accumulations in the soil, vegetation, and surface runoff have not been large enough to measure above natural background.[17] A 1995 environmental assessment in the Sierra Nevada of California[18] and a 2004 independent panel of experts (an overview only is presented in the executive summary of the research) in Australia confirmed these earlier findings.

Cloud seeding over Kosciuszko National Park - a Biosphere Reserve - is problematic in that several rapid changes of environmental legislation were made to enable the "trial." Environmentalists are concerned about the uptake of elemental silver in a highly sensitive environment affecting the pygmy possum amongst other species as well as recent high level algal blooms in once pristine glacial lakes. The ABC program Earthbeat on July 14, 2004 heard that not every cloud has a silver lining where concerns for the health of the pygmy possums was raised. Research 50 years ago and analysis by the former Snowy Mountains Authority led to the cessation of the cloud seeding program in the 1950s with non-definitive results. Formerly, cloud seeding was rejected in Australia on environmental grounds because of concerns about the protected species, the pygmy possum. Since silver iodide and not elemental silver is the cloud seeding material, the claims of negative environmental impact are disputed by peer-reviewed research as summarized by the international Weather Modification Association."
Cloud Seeding
Can China control the weather?
It's about the money

reply to post by ParanoidAmerican

most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). Liquid propane, which expands into a gas, has also been used. This can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is becoming more popular[citation needed] after promising research.[1]....

And nobody denies that cloud seeding is happening, but in no way does cloud seeding prove chemtrails exist.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

That's interesting because I deny chemtrails and I have no grants, so that is a fallacy.

And your name and scientific credentials are/is?

Please show me a scientist that says chemtrails exist?

Exactly my point. Several hundreds if not thousands have; all were labeled crackpots or discredited for it.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


It is being mis-identified as "chemtrails" and is that really a wrong term when they are using chemicals? If you see something and don't know what is it called? Unidentified Contrail-like Vapors, UCV?

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by VeritasAequitas

 

Higher levels of aluminum, in artificial forms, that by nature, does not exist in nature. For one, anyways.

And you can show evidence of this I take it?

So unnatural forms of aluminum are being detected in soil samples, and they know this came from chemtrails at 30,000 ft above their heads?

Rain and ground water shows higher levels of aluminum than they did just a few decades ago.

Why would it not be possible for them to spray the atmosphere with chemicals, and pollutants that later fall down to earth when it rains? Please show me a scientific study that says this is impossible...

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
Higher levels of aluminum, in artificial forms, that by nature, does not exist in nature. For one, anyways.

Aluminum most certainly exists in nature. Some places have higher concentrations than others. I'm not sure what you mean by "in artificial forms". There's no such thing as artificial aluminum.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
Exactly my point. Several hundreds if not thousands have; all were labeled crackpots or discredited for it.

He didn't ask how many scientists have come forward claiming "chemtrails" exist. He asked for the names. And I guarantee the numbers aren't even in the teens, let alone the "hundreds if not thousands". I'd bet there aren't even five real scientists that claim "chemtrails" are real.

So, please post the names of scientists that claim "chemtrails" are real. Thanks.

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

And your name and scientific credentials are/is?

That doesn't matter as I have never said I was an expert or a scientist in this field, but I can and do use the research of those who are.

Exactly my point. Several hundreds if not thousands have; all were labeled crackpots or discredited for it.

So then you shouldn't have a problem supplying the names of some of these scientists?

reply to post by _BoneZ_


Artificial, meaning to be made or formed outside of it's natural means....

Artificial aluminum - aluminum created by man...Similar to what is used in making your aluminum foil and cans you package your foods in...

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

That doesn't matter as I have never said I was an expert or a scientist in this field, but I can and do use the research of those who are.

You mean you can and will believe the research of scientists who are accepting these grants, bribes, and 'gifts' right?

So then you shouldn't have a problem supplying the names of some of these scientists?

Do you honestly think I am silly enough to give you the chance at a smear campaign of whatever I view as evidence? Yeah, right....

Here's a company advertising their geo-engineering services, granted it is using flares which might be noticeable from the ground depending on the altitude - but it is geo-engineering nonetheless.

reply to post by ParanoidAmerican

It is being mis-identified as "chemtrails" and is that really a wrong term when they are using chemicals?

Now see we can agree on that, as it is being mis identified when people try to equate so called chemtrails as cloud seeding.

Unidentified Contrail-like Vapors, UCV?

I have to give you a star for that...

I must say that is the first time I have ever seen someone say it that way....