Yet more uk employment/slavery corruption.

Originally posted by RoScoLaz

Originally posted by scottlpool2003 "Why not fixing computers or plumbing or heck, engineering (an industry were crying out for)"

why not call it a job, and pay them a wage?

I agree- I would probably be classed as quite "right wing" on many issues, however this use of labour in this manner troubles me.

If you are going to make people on benefits "work"< then it should only be for the appropriate number of hours in relation to the minimum wage- ie, say you are getting £100 per week, you should not be made to work more than about 14 hours per week- otherwise it is a form of slave labour

It's possible that political favoritism in the German armaments industry could have made some slight contributions to how the 'Battle of Britain' played out, but factually, the British had:

1) A working air defense radar network
2) Aircraft that may have not been superior in some respects, but definitely lethal enough to compete.
3) A sophisticated aircraft direction system.
4) The ability to correctly deduce the enemies tactics and select the appropriate countermeasures correctly.
5) R.A.F. pilots & personnel that definitely weren't going to quit. EVER. And they didn't.
6) An aircraft industry that could repair or replace aircraft much faster than the Germans could destroy them.

The R.A.F. did the same thing to the Luftwaffe that the Celts did to the Romans, they just wore them out. They destroyed the Germans ability to maintain the persistence required to do the same thing to the R.A.F. The British won that battle, and at the same time, pretty much put a stake in the heart of the Luftwaffe. That's the facts. Besides, I watched the movie and it worked out that way in the movie too! Just kidding, but it's a fab flick anyway


My point being originally, that economic down-turns have hit the British before, and they pulled they're sleeves up and pushed right on through. I am sure they will do it again. It's how they are made. They're still around. Odds are, they always will be. Lewis Hamilton. Stuff like that. They get it done.

Originally posted by MyLifeRocks
Government is to be blamed rather than companies. It is the duty of the publicly elected government to look after the citizens . It is not the job of privately owned companies to look after issues like 'employment' and 'poverty'.
And companies pay 'huge' amount of taxes too. Yes they may pocket billions of dollars but they are doing it legally. It is human instinct to crave for money and that is just what the company owners are doing. There is Nothing wrong in earning billions if you play by the rules.

edit on 12-4-2013 by MyLifeRocks because: (no reason given)

It might not be illegal to earn billions by the rules but it is definitely immoral as the OP stated.

Nobody is forcing these companies to behave like this they choose to do so because they are run by people who don't give a damn except to make as much money for themselves by any means possible. That also includes tax avoidance on a massive scale.

You seem to forget that government is run by people who have exactly the same attitude to those immoral companies. It is about an elite group of people bleeding the country dry whilst the rest of us argue amongst ourselves.

Some of us woke up a few years ago but there is still too many who think that party politics is about the ideology written in the manifesto......deluded fools.

reply to post by TheBlackHat


Also Britannia (name given to those islands by the Romans) was invaded by the Norsemen (Vikings, which means to go raiding) Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Hugenose (spell checker on the blink) Danes, etc.

reply to post by VoidHawk


Just want to say that I received one of those new questionaire's to fill out (from the benefits office) as they are changing the rules and types of Benefits (as you know) and in this questionaire, I actually wrote that i do not need someone telling me what I can and can't do, what I should or should'nt do.... I am looking for work, work which I trained for and am not a child...

and some other stuff.... it went on a bit.

As for being forced into this type of Labour? Its a shame but it does happen.... these guys are getting people to work for minimum wage or even no wage saying that its for your benefit and you will learn skills etc etc... what a load of tosh!

On another note... if you work for less than £10,000 per year on a part-time basis, you can still benefit from claiming Housing Benefits, Council Benefits and still claiming Allowances, so its not all that bad if you know how to live!

The UK is screwed. Retail have gone down the same route, offering either 0-hour contracts where then can just call you in any time they need, or offering a measly 16 hours a week with shifts all over the place.

And even if you do get called in, half the time they only need you for an hour and then send you home! Sometimes you can turn up and by time you have got there they don't need you anymore! Its a joke.

The latest stat I heard is that Britain is now Europe's BIGGEST SPOT FOR SHOPLIFTING. That says it all really.

I really feel like this country has fallen to bits and I'm saving every penny I can to get escape! That's how bad it is.

reply to post by MyLifeRocks
Actually both are to blame...Company and the Capitalist State of Cameron but as The Compnay is lining Camerons State with mula he ain't gonna moan... Here's a bung now give me slaves!
It's time we boycott these places and spread the word! I have already started on ASDA and haven't stepped a foot in their store since they began using the slave trade. I'd boycott Poundland but I never use the shop

The only time they listen is when it affects their profit!

I have recently had to become unemployed when my failing business finally folded.
Within the first two weeks of being officially unemployed I have put out nearly 70 c.v.s (some speculatively) and spent hours trawling the government jobsearch website. I found it so bad that I wrote a hue response to them in the feedback' section telling them that their search parameters didn't work properly (do a search for only full time jobs and the first one on the list states in the title 'part time'), 20 miles radius includes places 27 miles away (I think they do it as the crow flies which is absurd because petrol costs to get to the potential job will not be in a direct line), the same job is being advertised over and over again and often with a different job number because it is from agencies all advertising the same job in different posts, there are a huge amount of 'self employed' positions (which really need their own section as that is not a 'real' job), a huge percentage of the jobs are part time only and so the cost of just getting there and back (especially if it is 5 days a week for only a couple of hours a day) take up at least half of what you have earned in that week. Having pointed this out to the woman at the job centre she agreed and that "it's a new system and far from perfect".

I did wonder why the hell there are so many part time only jobs, some advertising 2 or 3 positions for the same job on a part time or job share basis. After some investigating on the net I found that this could be because if the weekly wages are low (which they would be if the person is part time especially if they rate is around the minimum wage limit) then the company is not liable to pay any national insurance. Also in a lot of cases they are not required to pay sick pay or holidays and in cases where they do give that then it takes double the time to accrue them since you are only putting in half or less than half the hours a full time employee puts in.
I did then wonder, if a person has two or three part time jobs which then all together takes them above the limit where they need to pay national insurance, how does this work? Do they then have to pay this on their own like you would if you were self employed, since at that stage none of the employers would be liable because individually you don't earn enough to have to pay.

I notice most council jobs are on a part time basis, probably because they are having to cut back the spending as much as possible and this little get around is saving them a fortune.

This is all so much of a scam where the employers are once again getting away with paying out to the government thus lowering the countries pool of cash. So many people are on the wagon of bashing the unemployed because they are 'sponging bastards' (there are exceptions of course) when in reality they are being used as profit making machines for corporations whilst the big companies are the ones sponging/diddling the government. Yes they are doing it within the law, and that is where we should have laws changed to protect the people from these scams. We need laws to ensure that wages go up on the lower scale so that people can earn enough to actually live on without the need of benefits, thus putting more money back to the government in income tax/ national insurance and no need for payouts in the form of benefits. Perhaps we need government backing to stop top earners being awarded huge salary increases/bonuses and that money is pumped back into the salaries of the lowest paid in the company we could see some change with minimal disruption to the main profits the company is making. But we all know that is never going to happen, at least not with the government system as it stands.

This country is sooooooo broken and corrupt.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
reply to post by doobydoll

 

I haven voted in years, I see no point whatsoever, they are all the same.
I know nothing about ukip, should I vote for them?

I'm here by ordering you to vote UKIP! aha

reply to post by CthulhuMythos
What we need is a Government with a Spine and who doesn't pander to the needs/GREEDS of the Capitalists and Businesses/Banksters. Sadly we have to look back to 1945 Clement Attlee, Wilson and Callaghan for the last PM and Government that actually cared.

Before we have any Capitalists or fools saying how bad it was in 1974 to 79... this site has a moto...DENY IGNORANCE

1974-79 was the inevitable reaction to a shrinking economy from joining the Common Market in 1973 to become more competitive which incidentally was the perfect place to SELL OFF BRITISH INDUSTRY... It was planned by the Tories to make the Cow Fat and sell it to the highest bidder as soon as Attlee began his stirling work for the people, they started to plot the sale for a future Tory Government...The formation of the Trade and Industry body and entering the common market were the pre-empt. 1979 Thatcher began the dirty trade and to down tread the only obstacle in their path.... The Miners Union. I know the time very well

All I see from this Government is more of the same.... It's the foolish voters and the system that allowed Losers in an election to gain a seat of power that make me so

reply to post by ObservingYou


Only thing about UKIP for me is their Energy Policy and Coal Power Stations... If I was hearing developement of alternatives I might be sold but all I hear from Farage is a smoggy future.

reply to post by VoidHawk


if it were up to me long term unemployed people who are suitable to work but wont would be picking up rubbish on our streets for 8 hours per day or they lose all their benefits.

they would clean elderly people's homes and do their gardening etc.

The people who wont work are scum.

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by TheBlackHat

 

A couple of historical accounts incorrect.

The Romans conquered the majority of England, except for Cornwall. They didn't conquer Wales entirely and built a wall because they couldn't conquer Scotland.

USA didn't join the war until 1942. The Battle of Britain was won by then and that is what saved Britain from being invaded.

The Russians actually won WWII, they were the first to Berlin and they were the ones to raise their flag first.

But yes the rest spot on!!

well not as straightforward about that- if it was Russia V Germany, who knows how that would have played out, fact is the Germans were fighting a whole lot of fronts- no bugger won it in my opinion, too many rotting corpses and bereaved families in all the nations involved

The Bilderbergers won.

I know I'm an American and I really should keep my comments out of this thread,
but I ask for indulgence because modern propaganda is American and
my opinion of David Cameron from over here is that A) he's a good guy, and
B) he's trapped under a PR system that is not British.

Take this case for instance.

'A perfect post-lunch tension buster.'*

'A perfect post-lunch tension buster.' PM and Mayor of London dance holding hands.

That's how Prime Minister David Cameron and
Mayor of London Boris Johnson's festive dance
was described by one witness.

I describe it as what could have been a spontaneous British moment
made totally man awkward by the Americanized style of media.

I recommend the British people reject not the man,
but the system of media designed to make only a woman look good,
and invent their own format.

I get the feeling that Cameron is one of the few
that is not blinded by money,
and wants to hear peoples feelings,
If only the British public would wake up and reach out to him.

Because the next one may very well be deaf.


Mike Grouchy

Well, if the uk government want to send people to work for free, and dress it up as work experience, then surely they need to tailor the 'work experience' to the candidate?!

Most people would learn nothing from stacking shelves, all they will learn is it is a job they don't want to pursue!

If they said you had to go and stack shelves at Tesco for your benefits, then say to them, ok, I am interested I.T. (for example) so I'll happily work in the I.T. division to gain relative experience that will benefit the career path I wish to choose.

Unless it is relevant, then it is completely pointless, and useless.

Whilst you're out stacking shelves all night, in return for your benefits, when exactly are you supposed to look for work?! JSA for example, is given on condition you are actively seeking work, but if you're working for the Tesco slave camp, then you're not going to be actively seeking work.

The minimum wage is there for a reason, and if Tesco are so keen to have people do work experience, then they should at least pay the legal going rate, minimum wage is there for a reason. Then, by paying at least minimum wage it eliminates the need for the government to pay benefits out of the public's coffers.

So Tesco & Co want free labour, and the government are happy to pay us benefits in exchange for helping Tesco. So the tax payer's money is improving Tesco's business, increasing their revenue with this slave labour, and this arrangement helps nobody except Tesco & Co!

People will be unemployed longer due to being busy working full time for free, the tax payer's money is going down the drain because the government are paying wages for Tesco out of the tax payer's money, and then Tesco channel all their profit outside of the UK. So effectively it's a loss all round, except for the likes of Tesco!

What a massive joke. These government idiots that come up with these ridiculous ideas are actually running our country? More like ruining our country!

So all we have is hearsay that every caravan was cleaned.

You know, like every post of ATS is even remotely true?

Cameron is not a Elected prime minister as you well know and though we had enough of Brown he actually garnered more vote's than Cameron in the national election's but his classmate and close personal friend Clegg whom many disgruntled Labour voter's (After realising that Labour had been infiltrated and corrupted by the Tory party thus creating a political monopoly to ensure the vested interest's of the moneyed elite) had made the mistake of voting for, of course as we all know created a coalition with Cameron thus putting this two face lying and devious deceit full weak and increasingly unpopular leader in power,.

It seems as the parable say's you will know them by there fruit (work's) that knowing unless they rig the election as indeed the tory party has in the past that He knows that next general election a snow ball stand's more chance of not melting in hot hell than He of winning it and Clegg whose own MP's have had to be held from a revolt under threat of being replaced in there constituency's or not being invited to the queen's garden tea party (A very important event for a politician as it set's there place in the hierarchy) also knowing that He had done irreparable damage to the Liberal Democrat's and cost them at least 45 percent of there vote will not stand down though indeed due to the hung nature of the election that empowered them a new vote should have been called as soon as labour had elected a new leader as that would have been the correct legal recourse to take.

It has alway's been the purpose of the Tory's (And it do distinguish between Tory and Conservative as there is nothing conservative about the current Tory leader) to reinstate the hierarchy and bring the working class back to begging for there wage's rather than an ethical society all they can offer is a fractious and unjust future were the poor will be bumped off in hospital when they are no longer profitable as indeed they have been for quite some time now (the Liverpool care pathway) so it is no shock that they are trying to implement a slave culture.

Please do not miss-understand this as I am not racist but I am a patriotic Britain, the reason they WANT the foreign worker's in the country is that they drive down the wage's and Cameron is making it impossible for established occupant's to stay in there house's if they are too poor to be owner occupier's by creating the bedroom tax (it is a poll tax that affects only the poor that instead of taking money simple leave's it in the treasury, the difference between it and an actual tax is it target's only the poor whom rely on benefit's and whose ancestor's paid in blood for there children), It's purpose it too free up accommodation space for the new immigrant worker's whom will undercut British worker's,.

A growing favourite term for Cameron is he want's to make work pay but what does he mean?,.
Under the thatcher government of the 1980's we saw a drastic change to law that a Real Labour government had brought in many term's previously and that was that wage's had to rise in line with inflation (it effectively meant that the middle management were locked at a percentage above there worker's and it moved in line with the profitability of the company and the inflation index), under Thatcher and Heseltine this was abolished and the age of the real earning's of the worker's falling in line with inflation entered the economics of Britain, the benefit's however were ethically enshrined by a the Real Labour government whom foresaw that the Tory's would try to do this and so they had to rise with the cost of living, now you had falling wage's (hidden by the fact that numerically they increased only very slightly but the cost of living went up in line with inflation) and rising benefit's to it was only a matter of time until they met in the middle and thanks to how easily the media can manipulate public opinion and it is in the wrong hand's the Tory's and New Labour have gotten away with this national fraud.

I am afraid it may be too late for our generation and no real change will happen until the financially anaesthetised lower middle class start to realise that the foundation's have been taken from there world, but until then our country has been stolen from us by these culpable criminal's and I lament it will only be God that bring's them to justice and I believe HE will..

Remember the bullingdon club initiation that Cameron and Clegg went through it was intended to show that they were inhumane enough to the poor to be one of the then disempowered establishment (burning a £50 note under a down and out's nose while taunting the poor soul and beating them up if they tried anything).

these people are criminal's on the order of Hitler but we can do nothing on our own, only PEACEFULL public gathering's of the type Margaret thatcher outlawed and that were the basis of British ethical socialism have a chance of changing anything.

Good luck son and thank you for this.

reply to post by tombangelta


You have just tarred and feathered many people whom you DO NOT KNOW and have never known, how do you determine that they are scum, Are you even british and if not please note that as this is a british thread though I know full well that ATS is American and under official scrutiny (necessary in today's world).

I am crippled with a mangled right hand and work, but there are many whom can not and do you know HOW injurious depression is and that most of them suffer, have you ever known the humiliation of no money in your pocket or the dirty feeling of having to claim unemployment or the shame of it.

The soil of these land's is the sweat, the blood, the tear's, the toil and ashes of MY ancestors and they PAID in blood as worker's, soldier's and LORD's (that's right I am descended from hereditary peer's - My mother is a duchess whom was robbed of Aintree property's left to her by the Tattershall's (she is a Hallworth)),.

I put it to you that whom ever is able and refuses to do FAIR paying work that is SUITABLE for them should have there benefit's cut but that whom ever make's lot's of money in and off of our economy should pay there fair and ETHICAL tax level's and if they do not then they are, and I am most vehement about this, SCUM. were do you fall.

This government has already breeched international slavery law's do we need to have a civil war here or will they realise WE ARE NOT SHEEP and have teeth as well.

reply to post by DeeKlassified


You have hit the nail perfectly on the head, It is actually a method of hiding the true number of unemployed that every British government since Margaret Thatcher has used and is the same method as the YTS were the unemployed (Youth in that one) were sent out to factory's and other site's usually ending up doing the skivvy job's like brushing the floor and learning next to nothing being used as free labour by the company's.

There were some good YTS scheme's but they were vastly in the minority compared to the lost generation she created and the same trick's have been used since, under New Labour it was work training scheme's and work based training scheme's as well as course's during which you would be removed from the unemployment statistic's, now it is this ridiculous and damaging method of essentially implementing forced labour on innocent people whom are not criminal's and while they are doing this they are officially not unemployed so the government can at the next general election say "During our term we reduced the unemployment figure's by dot percent", essentially it is government committing fraud and misrepresenting the fact's.

Would you trust your gran's life saving's to the safe keeping of Cameron, Osborne, his bat boy Clegg or even Millibang,. I sure would not they are a bunch of scheister's.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Well said
But dont reply to them, they're just doing their JOB.