Father Sickened By Anti-Constitutional Note From Son’s School

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Benjamin Franklin: He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither

Originally posted by TauCetixeta

Originally posted by truthinfact
The extra money it takes for Private Education has never been more worth it...


It could be the difference between your child having a life time of employment and opportunity........ Or just a life time of Employment.

Shut down the Department of Education in Washington D.C.

Yes

(reform might be a better option tho)

Save $$$ Billion

Probably not but worth a try

AND save our children from the secular progressives.

Drivel

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz

Originally posted by pennylemon
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I respect your right to worship as you see fit and I personally have no problem teaching biblical doctrine in school as long as all are included. However, I cannot understand how 1,018 polled out of 313,914,040 can be seen as a mandate to support your majority premise.

Penny

do you have any conflicting evidence? most americans believe in god, and most of those are some form of christian. i'm for freedom of worldview even if i disagree, but schools are straight up indoctrination centers.

I apologize for my delay in responding to your question. Solar flares hit hard up on my little hilltop.

As to your question, I was simply pointing out that that IMO, until Every American is asked, I find polls taken with such a small control group cannot accurately show the true numbers of Christians versus non-Christians in this country. I'm not saying it wont but until its done I find these polls to be less than gospel so to speak. I am also not disagreeing with your point that schools in general are a types of indoctrination centers, just not of the sort you are speaking of. If I use your premise that a majority of Americans are Christians, would it not follow that a majority of teachers are also Christian of one kind or another.

Penny

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I apologize for my delay in responding to your question. Solar flares hit hard up on my little hilltop. As to your question, I was simply pointing out that that IMO, until Every American is asked, I find polls taken with such a small control group cannot accurately show the true numbers of Christians versus non-Christians in this country. I'm not saying it wont but until its done I find these polls to be less than gospel so to speak. I am also not disagreeing with your point that schools in general are a types of indoctrination centers, just not of the sort you are speaking of. If I use your premise that a majority of Americans are Christians, would it not follow that a majority of teachers are also Christian of one kind or another.

i understand your qualms with accepting poll numbers as being an accurate reflection of the state of things, i also have them. my comment wasn't said with malice, but curiosity. all evidence that i can find points to most americans believing in a god (whatever that god may be), and when a poster claimed that our society was "secular" i felt compelled to mention the polling data.

i have no idea whether the majority of americans are christian or not, though i'm guessing the majority of creationists are christian.

the above premise wouldn't apply, because being a teacher in a public school is a selective position comprising of a small group of the whole. most christians wouldn't want evolution to be taught as it is, nor would they be able to talk about their beliefs unless specifically asked.

that being said, theoretically random poll data cannot be accurately applied to a selective group where the beliefs of those polled may influence how many would be apart of the selective group.

ETA: i hope you are well and that the solar flares didn't cause you much trouble

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Second, why would a 4th grader write on a backpack WITH crayon?

It was on a piece of paper IN the backpack. Not on it. It doesn't make it a false article when you misread the article.

Originally posted by Sacri
Get them while there young, this is pure programming at its worst. I myself was home schooled in Australia and I am very thankful for it as it, allowed me to be a thinker and not a mindless drone like most of the population.

Next year, throw this garbage at 2nd Graders???

Then 1st graders? Maybe the Secular Progressives should pick on someone their own size.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta

Originally posted by Sacri
Get them while there young, this is pure programming at its worst. I myself was home schooled in Australia and I am very thankful for it as it, allowed me to be a thinker and not a mindless drone like most of the population.

Next year, throw this garbage at 2nd Graders???

Then 1st graders? Maybe the Secular Progressives should pick on someone their own size.

The Schools administrators are looking into it...Always funny when the right wing media goes bonkers without all the information.

My questions? If this was some communist, indocterination, anti-constitutional agenda as the right wing believes....why did the teacher send these papers home in the backpack?

I think...think...don't know...cuz I like facts before conclusions....I think that a large hint is in that "X" marked by the statement.

It looks like the teacher was asking the kids A QUESTION...like a poll...teaching them to think! And when discussing the bill of rights and the constitution...the best question you can ask to get kids thinking is...would you be willing to sacrifice rights or freedom for security? In this scenario...the child marked X for his choice/answer and the teacher sent the papers home for further discussion. If that is the case then Kudo's to the teacher for asking that question and sending it home so parents could discuss further with their kids.

I could be wrong...but that is how the paper looks to me. Look at the (X) on the pare...like a poll question.

Let me google and see if the school replied yet.

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Go to the source and stop wasting time.

Go to Attorney Cheryl Sabb and find out the truth. She is the one throwing this garbage at

young and impressionable children.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Go to the source and stop wasting time.

Go to Attorney Cheryl Sabb and find out the truth. She is the one throwing this garbage at

young and impressionable children.

Already researched it? What are you talking about??? Please share what conclusive proof you have discovered?

Cuz as I understand it, this was a lesson plan designed by Chief Justice R. Lewis, who won the Thuroughgood Marshall award? Doesn't sound like an anti-constitutional secret indocternation plan to me.

The lesson plan was taught by teacher Cheryl Sabb and attorney Carrington Mead and was discussing the bill of rights.

Lastly...please explain the cirlce and "X" through it on the childs crayon document?

That says that it was a question vs. statement to me.

Is it possible that the child transposed two simple words? "I am" when the teacher spoke "am I"? AS children of that age are prone to do often???

What if the fourth grader wrote this in crayon...

"“I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer and more secure”

When the teacher, in teaching critical thinking and the questions that Benjamin Franklin himself posed to the country stated...

"“Am I willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer and more secure?”

Which is more likely...a secret plan to indoctrinate the youth into hating the constitution of the united states or that a fourth grader transposed the first two words in a complicated sentence?

Naw...I'll go with the paranoid, whacko theorey that teachers are secret communists and working on a secret plan to to indocternate our kids into hating the constitution and bring socialism to America....much more likely than a fourth grader being confused and scribbling down the statement wrong in Crayon!!!

The irony here is that the teacher was apparently trying to teach CRITICAL THINKING..which seems utterly absent among the far right paranoids.

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Oh yes, lets teach ' critical thinking ' to 4th graders!

Maybe next year she can teach ' critical thinking ' to 2nd graders?

Indoctrination is cool!

Lets just cross our fingers and hope we don't get caught.

Of course it is wrong but we just don't care.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta
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Oh yes, lets teach ' critical thinking ' to 4th graders!

Maybe next year she can teach ' critical thinking ' to 2nd graders?

I have been teaching my kids to ask questions and "think" since the moment they began to speak.

I don't think you understand what "critical thinking" is...which frankly explains your posts.

Critical thinking is questioning what people say, even teachers, even government...so as to come to deeper understanding of why they think it or why you might or might not disagree.

Thus the following question would be a great "critical thinking" question to pose to 4th graders so that might better understand our constitution and the debates amongst our founders when constructing it...

"Am I willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer or more secure?"

Ben Franklin himself posed this question...It is a good question to ask and gets people THINKING...not just repeating. The debate that follows can strengthen beliefs, expose weaknesses of logic and principle. It is HEALTHY to THINK.

Now...ABSENT "critical thinking" you would simply repeat what FOX tells you and not entertain the likelihood that a fourth grade child scribbling in crayon might have transposed the first two words "AM" and "I"..nor would you acknowledge that transposing words and letters is the error the typical 3rd and 4th grader makes most often.

You would simply go all "communist teachers!!" like a good little indocternated recipient of idealogical propaganda.

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I guess teaching ' critical thinking ' to college students just doesn't work.

They see right through the secular progressive smoke screen right away.

Bummer.

Oh! I know! Lets through this garbage at toddlers! That just might work!

Gee, i hope we don't get caught.

Lets see Attorney Cheryl Sabb on MSNBC to explain herself. She can't hide forever.

I sat my three children down, read them the article and had a discussion with them about this story. Critical thinking initiated.

When we went over the constitutional rights - there was lots of question. Questions that even gave me pause. Like free speech and bullying.

Such as the right to bear arms and guns being "bad" or is it "bad people" getting guns.

My oldest daughter hasn't been through propaganda in her social studies class, but she now wants to snag that one up as her next civics projects.

Can't say I'm sorry this issue didn't come up in the media. It initiated dialogue in my family and was the topics of discussion all weekend amid our Magic the gathering card games. We play that with our children to initiate critical thinking.

Peace,
Cirque

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
I sat my three children down, read them the article and had a discussion with them about this story. Critical thinking initiated.

When we went over the constitutional rights - there was lots of question. Questions that even gave me pause. Like free speech and bullying.

Such as the right to bear arms and guns being "bad" or is it "bad people" getting guns.

My oldest daughter hasn't been through propaganda in her social studies class, but she now wants to snag that one up as her next civics projects.

Can't say I'm sorry this issue didn't come up in the media. It initiated dialogue in my family and was the topics of discussion all weekend amid our Magic the gathering card games. We play that with our children to initiate critical thinking.

Peace,
Cirque

edit on 15-4-2013 by CirqueDeTruth because: not all teenagers

Question: is it a good idea to give children adult problems?

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That rocks. You sound like an absolutely great parent. Whatever anyone's opinions are...thinking is GOOD.

Originally posted by TauCetixeta

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
I sat my three children down, read them the article and had a discussion with them about this story. Critical thinking initiated.

When we went over the constitutional rights - there was lots of question. Questions that even gave me pause. Like free speech and bullying.

Such as the right to bear arms and guns being "bad" or is it "bad people" getting guns.

My oldest daughter hasn't been through propaganda in her social studies class, but she now wants to snag that one up as her next civics projects.

Can't say I'm sorry this issue didn't come up in the media. It initiated dialogue in my family and was the topics of discussion all weekend amid our Magic the gathering card games. We play that with our children to initiate critical thinking.

Peace,
Cirque

edit on 15-4-2013 by CirqueDeTruth because: not all teenagers

Question: is it a good idea to give children adult problems?

I don't see the problem.

The two of my children who had any questions or anything to say on the topic thought it was an interesting discussion. They applied the ideas to issues their dealing with in their own lives. i.e. bullying, the fear of school in hearing about school shootings, and other issues that are very much concerning for them. I guess I should shelter them from these issues they deal with, and not give them critical coping skills?

The two youngest was present during the conversation, but both their interest wasn't engaged and I didn't force it to be engaged either. They were off with their cars playing in their fantasy world, within ear shot - but not much to say or likely even listening. They are 4 and 6 - not pre-teen and teenage like my two older girls. But did I shoosh them out of the room talking about the Constitution of the United States! Of course not. My youngest school age child even had some things he wanted to get off his chest - about bullying that he is dealing with. Had that conversation not been going on, who knows if my little man would have said, "I just don't talk to them anymore, (meaning bullies) and now they say I'm the mean one. I can't win." It was comical to, because his puts his arms wide, with this frustrated look on his face when he says, "I can't win."

Children do better when you treat them as though they have a brain in their head. From my experiences, anyhow.

Peace,
Cirque

Originally posted by TauCetixeta


Question: is it a good idea to give children adult problems?

Let me just re-post her post since you apparently didn't read it..

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
Questions that even gave me pause. Like free speech and bullying.

Does the right to free speech have limits? Should teachers permit bullying? ...ahh forget it...I just realized I am trying to engage someone in critical thinking, who thinks teaching kids critical thinking is bad.

How much of this sort of thing is required before people stop sending their children to these brainwashing camps disguised as schools??? Now, I know there are some decent teachers around (related to some), but they don't stand a chance against the machine. Since the early part of the 20'th century, communist plans to subvert the entire nation included taking over the educational system. From the look of things, they have succeeded. Either more people act, and now, or the nation will fall.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by TauCetixeta


Question: is it a good idea to give children adult problems?

Let me just re-post her post since you apparently didn't read it..

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
Questions that even gave me pause. Like free speech and bullying.

Does the right to free speech have limits? Should teachers permit bullying? ...ahh forget it...I just realized I am trying to engage someone in critical thinking, who thinks teaching kids critical thinking is bad.

Let ME re-post. Think long and hard, then answer.

Is it a good idea to give children adult problems?

Throwing ' Critical Thinking ' at toddlers = Indoctrination

Try to imagine both parents standing right behind their children in the classroom as

Attorney at Law Cheryl Sabb throws Anti-Constitutional garbage at their children.

Only a coward would pick on children with this indoctrination garbage.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
How much of this sort of thing is required before people stop sending their children to these brainwashing camps disguised as schools??? Now, I know there are some decent teachers around (related to some), but they don't stand a chance against the machine. Since the early part of the 20'th century, communist plans to subvert the entire nation included taking over the educational system. From the look of things, they have succeeded. Either more people act, and now, or the nation will fall.

Secular Progressive Agenda:

Central Planning Infrastructure

Intimidation, control, confiscation of parental rights.

Re-writing the laws, one agency at a time.