Father Reportedly Locked Out of Daughter’s Swim Practice to Accommodate Muslim Sensibilities

in the uk our government asked us not to fly the st george cross flag as musslims who have taken refuge in our country find it offensive. some of these muslims have been recorded on film burning our national flag, i am pretty sure if i was in there country and burnt their flag i would be stoned to death where i stood.

I think the public school should be fined for violation of " freedom ".



I personally believe we should declare war on Canada for converting to a Muslim nation. I dont know about you, but America wearing a Turban for its hat is not very ........ fitting.

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All kidding aside, i didn't think it was legal for a Public ( tax payer funded ) facility to deny ANYONE entry because of a belief system. Of course, i know Canada isn't America, i just dont like the idea of ANYONE being denied public access because of their religious beliefs.

Next thing you know, you cant come out of your house because Muslims are having a parade and you'll cause a public disturbance.

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Last time i checked, i wasn't Muslim, didn't obey Muslim law, or respect their law. So. I could care less about Muslim wives or their husbands. I do care about Freedoms, but i could care less about your beliefs. It's none of my business.

I wouldn't live in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia for a reason. Their society is based upon a religion I do not agree with. The West's society is founded off Christianity. At least, the west, the majority of which is influenced by Christianity, at least tries to find a " Freedom " for all mentality while maintaining our moral Christian beliefs. However, you dont take my tax money and force me to show reverence to another belief system. If it was a private facility ALL for you, but a public one? Naw.

That's nice, Muslims are making the rules everywhere now and overriding PUBLIC rules, because society is fukcing abnormally obsessed with not "offending" them. If these Muslim women get "offended," then go swim in your fukicing bathtub at home and stay out of the public where you want everyone follow your religion.

Reading the further comments in this thread makes me giggle. Lets say the class is for Muslim girls, in order to not inconvenience others they created a special class for girls only and set up a time for them to swim.

This father then enrolled his daughter in this class and upon finding out he wasn't allowed to watch went straight to the news to complain. The father could have spoke with the staff and requested his daughter be transferred into a class he was able to watch. Why is the common sense solution the wrong one?

As I said previously, the class has been around for 20 (TWENTY) years. Whether for religious reasons or gender reasons, they tried to accommodate people with this class. And like I said before as well, someone made a male only class. The parents of these kids are taxpaying citizens, their money is just as good as anyones regardless of religious beliefs.

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Yeah, the replies in this thread make me wanna slam my head against a wall. Its amazing how much rage gets thrown at Muslims (and immigrants in general) for such tiny accommodations.

Originally posted by Irako

Yeah, the replies in this thread make me wanna slam my head against a wall. Its amazing how much rage gets thrown at Muslims (and immigrants in general) for such tiny accommodations.

I see no rage in this thread.

I can see a Muslim women demanding that a man isn't allowed to watch his daughter swim because she doesn't want a man to see her hair.

Absolutely ridiculous.

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I can hardly wait for those "women" to learn to swim...I guess next on agenda is requesting exclusive access to beaches where there are no other human beings to watch them take a bath.

I got a solution....why don't those women wear burka while learning to swim. It's their life choice of garment anyway. What's the point of women wearing bathing suits to swimming practice if they aren't gonna be in the swimming suit...ever.

So I ask you...why are they exposing their bodies now...since it's frowned upon by their culture. Are they muslim women or what ?

More and more this is starting to look like a provocation....

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I would wager if the guy grew a pair and stood up for himself they would have backed down, but the fact he didn't set a precedent for religious bullying.

I am really sick and tired of emasculated men these days.

Originally posted by hp1229
Watch out Canada. It is happening/creeping in at a ever slow pace as it already has in UK. Whats a single father to do if he accompanies his daughter to a swim practice? As a father or two toddlers (boy & a girl), I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving my toddler in a swimming pool area for swim classes regardless of the presence of life guards (male/female/teens/adults).

A Toronto area father is upset after being locked out of his daughter’s swim class for what he was told are “religious reasons,” according to the Toronto Sun.

“I spoke to a staff member and she told me that it’s because of Muslim women, that we’re not allowed to look at them or whatever,” 38-year-old Chris said Friday (he declined to give a last name). “I don’t think religion has a role to play in a public pool.”

The single father knew when he signed his daughter up for the 9-week course at the community center that it was a female class, but didn’t realize the gender segregation also reached the stands, apparently.

“She doesn’t have a lot of friends and I wanted her to swim with girls. I don’t know what parent wouldn’t want to watch their child participate,” he said, adding: “There were other fathers there who weren’t too happy.”

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It is a strange thing in this world. People have to respect (read: abide to) religion but religion is allowed to disrespect peoples everyday lives and families.

Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly


I got a solution....why don't those women wear burka while learning to swim. It's their life choice of garment anyway. What's the point of women wearing bathing suits to swimming practice if they aren't gonna be in the swimming suit...ever.

They already do , it is called a "burkini" (edit: Not a joke)














I guess that if the had used those they would not have a point left to complain about and get attention for.

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I was just looking for a pic of the Burkini too...... I had a conversation with another member here on ATS from the Middle East and I asked him if and how women were allowed to swim and do other water activities...and he linked a pic similiar to the one you just did...and he seemed to think this was appropiate to meet the "standards" in his country...so why can't Muslim ladies wear those in other Countries in public?

It looked uncomfortable to me, lol, have you ever tried to swim in clothes ? He claimed the women found them very comfortable...and I was happy the ladies could get out and enjoy the water while following thier religion.

The only place that should be "private" for Men and Women only in a Public space should be the Locker rooms and Shower rooms...this Father had every right to watch his young daughter swim...asking him to leave was unreasonable.....

I would shove the person outta my way and go in and take my daughter away from these psychos, demanding a refund or they'll hear from my lawyer. No, in fact, they would be hearing from my lawyer anyways, even if a full refund was offered. It's a PUBLIC pool so they would have just discriminated against me. I should deserve something extra for that. Not that I feel so strongly that I would deserve something extra, but I would feel strongly that THEY deserve to PAY some extra money. I don't even care if it goes to me. I would donate it to some charity that stands for nondiscrimination or some organization dedicated to defending the Constitution or something like that.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
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and I was happy the ladies could get out and enjoy the water while following thier religion.

But you see what the real problem here is and one that your reaction displays (no offense to you btw.) its that the burka (Burqa) Is not a religious thing.

The burka is not worn out of religion , it is pretended to be such but it is not. It is abused to be of religious culture while it is just and at best a cultural thing. Islamic religion does not anywhere dictate such doctrine. That is why islamic woman will be beaten/whipped/executed for not abiding to it but when asked will answer that it is out of free will (answered as such by woman AND men).

And so the whole reasoning as to why this man was not allowed to watch his girl at swimming lessons was based on a lie abusing religion and ignorance of people not knowledgeable about this particular religion.


Everyone that has excepted this idea of woman having to be covered from head to toe (or some lesser extend) because of religious reasoning is being taken for a ride. If anyone chooses to respect this because of religious reasons then they are in effect respecting a lie.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

The only place that should be "private" for Men and Women only in a Public space should be the Locker rooms and Shower rooms...this Father had every right to watch his young daughter swim...asking him to leave was unreasonable.....

Very true no matter what.

Originally posted by Realtruth
reply to post by hp1229

 

I would wager if the guy grew a pair and stood up for himself they would have backed down, but the fact he didn't set a precedent for religious bullying.

I am really sick and tired of emasculated men these days.

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Thank you!

And, reading some other comments here... Yes! They should be the ones who have to cover up, not me diverting my eyes. Their religion states that, whenever they are in public, they need to be covered. So what are they doing uncovered?? Keeping fathers out does not ensure they will not be seen. It's a freaking pool, so what about male employees, maintenance guys, or emergency responders if there's an accident or injury, or what if the wiring in the building is faulty, and a fire starts and they are all ordered to evacuate outside in the open in front of everyone!?!?!? They are willing to risk hellfire for eternity for that???? Whatever man... It's going to turn into one of those things where they will inconvenience everyone else they can, because they dare not break their strict rules, but if its something that might inconvenience THEM too much, then its ok to break the rules a little...

Perhaps, there may be a link between the two following agendas: effeminization of men, and Islamification of the west. They soften us up first, then they force this extreme way of life upon us and we are all too afraid to do anything about it. Of course the elites would rather have us all under Muslim law...you can be sentenced to death for farting too loud!

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Now we're talking solutions

Originally posted by grey580
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Again. Read the full article.

It's not a muslim only class. It's a Female only class.
We have plenty of female only gyms and whatnot.

Were the class a religious class I'd be all over it.

As a Female only class then it's a different story.

And if it was a male only class where a young Mother was turned away? There'd be outrage.

Originally posted by Unferth

You are actually presuming that you 1) Have a culture 2) It is not defined 3) It is immutable 4) Muslims who immigrate have no right to change your culture through presence.

What does all this mean?

You are a racist living a in la-la land called western secularism? Tell me there is no such thing.

Canada doesn't have a culture?

A culture doesn't exist until it is defined?

You stated elsewhere

Originally posted by Unferth

Yeah, I come from an "Islamic" country and was raised in California.

I hope you are not a typical example of an immigrant from an "Islamic" country living in the West.

I would have hoped that a Muslim immigrant brought up in the West would respect Western culture and the right of a Canadian father to watch his child swim, but apparently not. Blood is thicker than water?

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You make an excellent point, and I don't know enough to comment on Muslim Religions....I did think the women wore these Burka things for religious reasons...so I learned something.....

If for whatever reason these women are uncomfortable swimming in a public pool around men, they need to get a private pool to swim in...and in my perfect World....ditch the "Burkinis" and try skinny dipping !