Horse painkiller bute found in Asda ‘Smart Price’ corned beef

Thankfully we changed our shopping tactiks about 5 0r 6 years ago when we where allerted to the uks Halal meat scandal best thing we ever did, We use a well known supermarket (starts with an M) and only ever buy fresh meat from there butcher

If you have the time and know how you can make so much and tastes better when its cooked with a bit of care and love

Originally posted by boymonkey74
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I eat this product I have a tin in my larder. Why? because it is all I can afford.
I look after old people for a living and have 20 quid a week to spend on food and clothing.
I would love to buy Princes corned beef but I just can't afford it.
Thanks by the way...way to go making me feel like # again...
I will take my tin back when I do my next shop and play hell with em.

Ah, my bad.. I didn't mean any offence by it. All I meant was that this stuff is basically 'mystery meat' and I'm not surprised that it contains harmful chemicals. If you have the time, try to buy all of your meat and veg from greengrocers and butchers. Corned beef, whichever brand you buy is not going to do you any good and you can often create a number of meals cheaper than you think. For example, if you can get a few hundred grams of minced beef, a cheap tin of tomatoes, a few mushrooms (loose as they are much cheaper that way), an onion and a few other cheap ingredients along with a pack of value spaghetti, you can make probably 4 servings of spag bol for under a fiver. I don't want to come across as teaching your grandmother how to suck eggs and forgive me if you already do this but many people don't realise that it can often be cheaper, far better for you and tastier making proper food and freezing it than buying 'value' meals pre-made from the supermarket.

Bottom line is anything that comes in a can could have any type of meat in it, dog. cat, bear ,rat, roadkill, you really don't know what you are really eating eating unless you grow it yourself or you really know the local farmer / butcher . I knew a guy whos father used to go around and collect roadkill and sell it for 60 cents a pound to certain types of restaurants.
Most types of red meat can be made to taste like other types of red meat with chemicals etc, if its in a sauce like spaghetti sauce for example then it could be anything as you don't taste the meat anyway just the texture.

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You can get 800g of minced beef in Tesco for about £2.70. It's probably 70% horse or something, the price probably doesn't reflect the quality of the meat too well. But that can be split into three, which then feeds a family of three, three times. You can freeze it, or cook it and then freeze it.
Then you can use it with mashed potato for shepherds pie, spaghetti, chilli, and then you have meat for three meals for one price.

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I very much doubt that the pure meat products are fraudulent as it would be too easy to detect. All of the big supermarkets use British farmers and the source of the meat can easily be traced whereas with processed meat products, the supply chain is so long and in many cases, the actual meat cannot be traced back. The cheaper the product, the more likely this is. It's all down to profit. This is why you can buy a kilo of value 'chicken' nuggets for peanuts yet 300g of chicken breast fillets will cost nearly a fiver. Price does reflect quality in most but not all cases.

You know what folks...

The regular can of "Whiskas", "Friskies" or "Sheba" that you are going to feed to your pet cat (for those of you that have enough cash to fork out that type of price for your little cuddly feline"... is probably a lot better for your health than all that "Shi*Te" that is constantly stuffed into our pre-packed or frozen meals from the CHEAPO super markets...!

AND... i won't go into details right now about those wonderful crunchy bites (even the cheapest ones bought at your local low discount store) that you purchase for your dogs!!! (Thread coming up shortly)

Probably a hell of a lot better for human health than the chemical ridden products that are constantly shoved into our faces by the hyper mega super cool marketing new school kids that have just come out of school or are specialised in subliminal advertising!

Ok... i am turning this thread into a rant... my sincerest apolgies for doing so, but so many people are completely unaware of what is actually going on in the meat industry. I am going to work on a topic which i hope to have out here within the next month ( AND for which I HOPE) won't be censored... lets see what ATS is REALLY made of!... (All U2U links and info would be very much appreciated please?)

Kindest respects

Rodinus

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Rodinus, what is it you do for a living, out of respectful and innocent curiosity? You alluded to it before, but didn't say what it was?

Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
reply to post by Rodinus

 

Rodinus, what is it you do for a living, out of respectful and innocent curiosity? You alluded to it before, but didn't say what it was?

Please read U2U.

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by Rodinus
So people, ask yourselves this question : Why is horse meat, or any kind of meat in general which has been factory produced, now found to contain PAIN KILLERS??? (as well as the traditional soup of Anti-biotics etc etc etc...?)

From what I read recently in the Toronto Star, it is given to race horses...so you know where those horses came from.

Originally posted by Suspiria
I guess most Brits watched that Horse banquet programme, or whatever it was called that aired recently.
They went around taking samples from peoples takeaways and as one might expect most were nothing more than chicken lips, arses,collogen, blood and crap from the various animals we tend to eat.

Some however, they couldn't identify any of the usual suspects, not even horse. Still I suppose it's one way to keep the rat population down.

ok Suspiria...besides getting a tinkle in the old twig and berries from your avatar.....doesn't England have food safety inspectors, that actually take samples and test them routinely. or is all that "stuff" allowed?

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We do, but meat that is sourced from outside the UK isn't regulated in the same way, with many people relying on and trusting suppliers to provide what they claim they're supplying.

Once I read the book "Slaughterhouse" I never ate meat again.Laying aside the moral considerations (which was my primary consideration for becoming a vegetarian), just being aware of how much filth goes into the meat production process is horrifying. The diseased animals which are put into our "food", the drugs in their systems, the fact that the carcasses are often strewn with putrid blood and excrement from the kill floor, the various other horrors of what was described in that book (in interviews with slaughterhouse employees) were beyond revolting. Ugh.

Veterinary drugs being found in the meat doesn't surprise me at all. And the fact that it was horse meat? Well, horses go to the slaughterhouse too, but since most people don't want to eat horse, the slaughterhouse sneaks the horse meat into the ground meats and by-products so they can turn a tidy profit. Ugh again.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
From what I read recently in the Toronto Star, it is given to race horses...so you know where those horses came from.

It is used in horses of all different disciplines, not just racehorses. It is a very common treatment given to horses. In many cases, it is given for years, which means a build up in the tissues. It is used more in horses that do competative sports (racing, jumping, dressage, endurance, reining, etc.) simply because there is often a lot fo money riding on their performance. But even in horses used for pleasure and trail use get it often to be able to sell a lame horse without potential buyers seeing a limp.

It is lame horses that end up going to slaughter a lot because they can no longer be used.
And their meat ends up in your tins....

Originally posted by conz1992
Surely the amount of bute in the meat is very minimal? You would have to eat far more than you could even eat in one sitting to be slightly affected by it, nothing to worry about here

Nothing to worry about? What are you talking about?

Minimal or not, overpriced or not, they sold 'animal painkillers' under a label marked 'beef'! It is bad enough that they have been selling things under false names with tainted meat, let alone the finding of painkillers in there too.

Are you also forgetting that children eat these things? It may not harm them in the present but it could have some very serious side effects later in life, cancers, heart disease... Na, nothing to worry about at all, right?

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I can't understand where they are getting so many horses, it cost more to raise a horse then a cow.

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Food sourced from within the EU, is not subject to the same level of stringent checks, because its assumed that the source country has already applied said checks.

Since the source country in this case was France, and France is a fellow member of the EU, I can entirely see the products passing through without any checks at all.

Originally posted by Bluesma
Well, Rodinus, I don't know what you do for a living, but I know I have spent way too much energy on this site arguing with people over the dangers of horsemeat being the lack of controls which allow Bute to enter the circulation.

This is a good example of how taboos force things to become perverted.

While I don't have a moral qualm with eating horse meat per se, (whole 'nother issue) I have been saying this for years. Not only for things like bute, but the de-wormers, and vaccines we give these animals almost all say on the box or bottle--"Not intended for animals to be used for human consumption."

There would have to be a complete off-shoot of the equine industry made in order to breed and grow animals for food, or they would have to completely revamp many of the common medications and products required to be maintain these animals for this to be safe.

Right now, horse meat is not a safe food supply. Period.

Free drugs if you buy their corned beef Where do you buy this stuff

Originally posted by redhorse

There would have to be a complete off-shoot of the equine industry made in order to breed and grow animals for food, or they would have to completely revamp many of the common medications and products required to be maintain these animals for this to be safe.

Right now, horse meat is not a safe food supply. Period.

Actually there is - The Comtois is bred and raised for meat production in France-


A rather deformed photo taken with my phone as I rode by on my horse!

Their alimentation and treatment is controlled and regulated, just as it is for other meats, such as beef.

By french law, all horses not bred specifically for meat production have to be micro-chipped. When the law was passed (2008) all horses of all ages were chipped, now it is done systematically when a colt is born. Slaughterhouses are obligated to check for chips, and keep these horses out of the food chain.

The biggest (knowing) consumer of horsemeat in Europe is Italy, then Belgium, then France. That is, it is accepted, but rare.
I live in France and have never eaten Chevaline, never seen it offered on a menu, have yet to meet someone who has. I once saw a steak of it at my grocery store. The practice boomed during the revolution and the World Wars, when people were starving and desparate for food, and has gone down ever since.
French adults I talk to say that their grandparents regularly ate horsemeat.

The UK attempts to control the horsemeat they produce and send out to the continent for consumption, through a system of passports, in which the health records are recorded. But repeatedly, testing at various slaughterhouses show a percentage of horses have falsified passports, and treatments like Bute get by and enter the food chain.

In the latest scandals, the chain of distribution is rather complicated. But the original source of the horsemeat is Romania.


www.bbc.co.uk...

Though Romania has laws about the meat sold for consumption, they have serious problems trying to control it. The recent economic crisis has made a huge rise in people bringing horses to slaughter, as they become unable to afford to keep them.

In this report, Here
(unfortunately it is in French) the reporters went to Romania and here they interview a man who describes how one of his horses was diagnosed with a highly infectious viral disease, which by law, obligates the vet to put the horse down. The vet allowed him to instead take the horse to the slaughterhouse, and it was butchered and sold off for consumption. A Romainian investigator explains that they have a huge problem with not only medicated, but diseased horsemeat being sold to other EU countries.

So there IS clean horsemeat being produced... the problem is that as long as cheaper compromised meat can be gotten from places like that, it is not sold.

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Actually I knew about France (and I believe there are other countries as well), but it is good info. I was being my usual U.S.-centric self and speaking of the industry in the United States. As far as I know, before the slaughter houses closed here there was veritably no checks on potentially dangerous substances in horse meat. Because they are pushing to open slaughter houses in the U.S. again it may be wise to look to other countries for a model to make it safe.