BREAKING NEWS: Former prime minister Baroness Thatcher dies peacefully at the age of 87 after suffer

Originally posted by Tykonos
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You really don't get it do you?

what don't i get? please enlighten me.

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Oh her job performance was abysmal; even us "bleeding hearts" (as we have so been coined) will admit that. She wasn't all that great and the policies she put forward (all accepted by the parliament; but disregard that) were in many ways, disastrous to industries in Great Britain. It is far easier to blame one than those that were put forward to represent them in the lower house that went along with the ideas.

I posted this on one of the other threads and I am going to repost it here.

I think it is very sad the way some people are portraying the death of this woman with celebration.

I for one never voted for her and I totally disagreed with her politics and most of her policies and I can remember celebrating when I found out she was stepping down as PM

But looking at my twitter, facebook and the other ATS thread on this (don’t get me started on that) I have noticed that some people are actively jumping for joy over her corpse before its even cold.

A woman has died, she was a wife, a mother a daughter and to many a friend and role model. Yet the internet is awash just now with disgusting and evil comments celebrating her death.

It really is very sad that people spout such vile spite because they have the mask of a computer screen.

My condolences to the Tatcher family.

Originally posted by silo13


But saying that? I also have a hard time believing any one woman (or man) can be - on their own - held accountable for such ‘evil‘. Remember, even Hitler had his henchmen.

peace

She certainly wasn't evil like some are making out, stubborn, arrogant, pig-headed during her time in Office, yes but not evil.

That was all a very long time ago. The way some people are painting her it's as if their family had been marched off to death camps and she abolished democracy.

I can't believe I'm defending Thatcher.

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A woman has died, she was a wife, a mother a daughter and to many a friend and role model. Yet the internet is awash just now with disgusting and evil comments celebrating her death.

That's what some don't get.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin "she was a wife, a mother a daughter and to many a friend and role model."

baloney. this woman single-handedly destroyed my town and thousands like it. screw her and any 'respect' for her or her family. they are scum too. so happy she died. cheers! role model? maybe for dictators.

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Thank you - that’s a great start and gives me a few key points to hone in on with my research.

On a personal note? I remember the first time I saw her on television and I thought she was absolutely phenomenal. Obviously I was star struck. But seeing this strong handsome woman talking to all those men? She was so powerful. So sure or herself. She became a type of role model for me - then again I was what - 6? And from there I admit to being remiss in really having even a clue what she did or did not accomplish while she was Prime Minister. My bad on that.

peace

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You make it sound like she rounded up all the people in your town and sent them off to death camps.

Yes she destroyed many towns with the closing of the coal mines, the pole tax was a awful idea, the buy your own home policy was only for the middle class and should not have taken away milk for kids and nationalised all of our services.

But she was not evil, she was capitalist conservative.

That is not a reason to celebrate her death, by all means celebrate her stepping down as PM, I know I did but I am not going to celebrate her death.

Originally posted by silo13
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So you're celebrating the death of this woman? Interesting.

How about tell us why once you've come back from your happy dance.

She was a woman of courage and a pioneer in her time. Even if you don't agree with what she did or didn't do - she deserves a modicum of respect.

peace

But not a 3 million pound funeral paid for by the tax payer after she privatized several national assets (Such as British gas) that now take the liberty of charging everyone an arm and a leg to keep warm because profit is all that matters.

This "Pioneer" helped put 3 million people on the dole - then had the cheek to basically tell them to walk to the streets for work.

Ended the unions - Now people cant say boo in a work place.

I believe also at one point she also took from the treasury to fund a private school because they were "The next leaders of this country"
Selling off of council houses with no plans to build replacements - Now we have people in their late 20's unable to move out and buy a property.

Landlords charging an absolute packet for house's they dont keep maintained.

Im sure she did this and that that was good, but that does counter-act the mess she left behind for ordinary folk.
Thatcherism absolutely destroyed this country that was built by the working class - That's why she's loved so much by conservatives. She made the rich richer and the poor poorer, that's the conservative motto.

Alot of people have been waiting for this day for many many years.

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If she was made of iron.... why the heck didn't they just toss her in a fire and watch her melt a long time ago??

Thatcher was a polarizing leader who inheriting a country that was bankrupt made decisions that were leaning
to enterprise and away from Govt supporting industries that were failing or uncompetitive globally.

She is eulogized as favouring a small Govt and entrepreneurship but in fact increased the size of Govt during her stint , she did free businesses to an extent ,but luckily for her North Sea Oil revenue allowed her to avoid tough economic decisions which even until today have been festering and will need addressing as oil revenue is declining.

On hindsight she was a good leader for the bad situation the country was in at the time but didn't finish the job.

I care as much for Thathers family and friends as she cared for mine during the 80's.

They celebrated our suffering as victory, I celebrate her death as a joyous occaision.

I wonder how many people remember the irony of the "Iron Lady" nickname;
It was born before she was elected, as someone's translation of a Russian newspaper headline, "This iron lady..."
In her very first election campaing, she found that references to it were getting applause, and were worth milking.
"The Russians called me an iron lady...They were right...Britain needs an iron lady!"
If the journalist had translated the phrase as "stubborn woman", notbhing more would have been heard of it.

Me, I remember the nightmare of the seventies, so I know what she rescued us from.
Hail Maggie!!

People shouldnt be blamed for celebrating her death, if you go to grave being hated by people that dont even know you then maybe you should spend a bit of time on your cloud wondering why.

Everyone moans about the removal of free milk in schools, I, for one was glad, I was forced to drink the putrid gunk even though I had a dairy allergy and I haven't met a single person in my life who enjoyed drinking the stuff, so it was good riddance to that as far as I'm concerned.

As for the sale of the council houses, the majority of people who gained from that were the low income tenants (mostly Labour voters!) who bought their homes at knock down prices then sold them on at vast profits to the very same private landlords everyone is moaning about..

As for the coal mining industry, the threatened closures were to a few, unprofitable pits, but it was Arthur Scargill (and his open hatred for Thatcher...) that really closed the pits down, creating horrible divisions in communities and even in families by calling for all out strikes across the whole UK and threatening anyone who refused to support the strike with being ostracised from their communities...Scabs was the name given to anyone who to go to work and provide for their families..meanwhile Scargill sat in his ivory tower with an enormous salary, he didn't care about the miners, only his personal vendetta.

Yes, I agree that many of the policies were harsh, I grew up in the 80's in Scotland, but I did take Norman Tebbit's advice and "got on my bike" and I was rarely out of work. and of course ultimately the UK was a very wealthy country after 18 yrs of Tory rule, which is more than can be said after 13 yrs of New Labour...

But all of this childish celebration stuff really gets on my nerves, and I hope that anyone doing it would stop and think for a minute about how they would feel if the death of one of their relatives prompted such a reaction

As someone who lived through the Thatcher years

Who saw first hand the decimation of the working class

The complete destruction of the manufacturing sector

Not to mention the war against the minors which lead to 100% unemployment in many mining communities

The sinking of the Belgrano when it was running away

The collapse of community and the start of the every man for him self society

The Hillsborough cover up

And more

I can say that i for one will not miss the woman

But i can not find joy in the death of another human being

Even if she barley qualifies as a human

I do have a problem with my tax's paying for a state funeral for her.

Oh well, at least she died peacefully eh, and not forcably starved off in an NHS hallway like the rest off us look forward to...

I'm stretching it of course, most of us will have bowed out of Conservative induced misery long before 87 either found frozen to the settee or by a nice bit of double knotted BT cord. After all, it'll be good for bugger all else when people can't actually afford the internet/phone they supposedly need to claim benefits from.

And I also remember the 70's under the previous Labour govt...what a mess, the three day weeks, rubbish piling up in the streets, even bodies filling up mortuaries because there was no one to bury the dead...everyone was on strike, sadly it was the unions who turned many a profitable business into a disaster zone, usually over something petty, I remember a call to strike action on British Rail because an afternoon tea break was being reduced to 15 mins. Of course the unions did have many legitimate uses, but by the 70's workers welfare was well established and sadly it was reduced to ridiculous posturing like the above example.

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Everyone moans about the removal of free milk in schools, I, for one was glad, I was forced to drink the putrid gunk

Lol, ahhh memories! I hated it too, as ours always seemed to have congealed, clotted lumps of cream in it. I once tried pouring some of mine away into the old desks ink pot holder which I got a smack for. I was glad when they stopped it.

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I am loving reading your posts!

They really do take me back

It makes me wonder how many of those celebrating her death wear even around in the 1980’s or before.

I didn’t really like Thatcher don’t get me wrong but it seems to me that a lot of the older members who can remember her reign seem to be a lot more respectful regardless of what they thought of her policies.