North Korea vs North America: Who is the true enemy of the world?

reply to post by WhiteAlice

largely had to do with Soviet spies trying to basically steal our atomic knowledge.

Lets face it, we are an open society, they are a closed one. It was pretty easy for them to do. They played the spy game far better than we ever did, and that's tough to say, coming from a person who once wanted to be in that line of work. They had agents at the very top of our intelligence services, so yeah, didn't take long.

Originally posted by Knives4eyes

In Canada it costs 150,000 USD Annually, America reports that it only costs them 7,500.

First off...this is a load of cr_p. Please show some documentation where "America reports" an annual cost of 7500 to either house or even feed an inmate.

Total rubbish. I have seen documentation regarding costs for housing inmates and this isnt even close. This is either intentional misinformation or really, really bad research.

Originally posted by misscurious
Yawn... Seen these type of anti American bs threads a million times now.. especially with a rallying cry at the end... Where has your originality gone ats.. just he same crap re hashed over and over again...

well said.

Originally posted by liverlad
We only think NK is in a very bad state because what we see on the mainstream news. What are the odds that NK do exactly the same to the US? Show their population how poor the USA is by showing them all footage of the homeless crackheads that liver under bridges. They could even show a video of the many US prisons and tell them how the US locks more people up than any other country in the world. They could even show them the tons of footage of US police abusing their powers by beating the # out of suspects who have done nothing wrong.

We all think that North Koreans are brainwashed, but what if it is the other way around? Has anyone here actually been to North Korea, or tried to go there?

edit on 8-4-2013 by liverlad because: (no reason given)

Yes, and your above theory is just plain wrong. South Korea is a paradise in comparison. I was also in Nicaragua prior to the Sandinista take over...the poverty was rampant to a degree that Americans cannot truly comprehend without seeing it first hand. I thought I was prepared.....I wasn't.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? Just because, perhaps you haven't, does that mean that 3rd world countries are a production of MSM and our govt for the purpose of brainwashing?

Yet another example of ...

All you socialists should spend time in North Korea.

It'll make the transition to living in a FEMA camp that much easier for you.

Originally posted by bbracken677

Originally posted by liverlad
We only think NK is in a very bad state because what we see on the mainstream news. What are the odds that NK do exactly the same to the US? Show their population how poor the USA is by showing them all footage of the homeless crackheads that liver under bridges. They could even show a video of the many US prisons and tell them how the US locks more people up than any other country in the world. They could even show them the tons of footage of US police abusing their powers by beating the # out of suspects who have done nothing wrong.

We all think that North Koreans are brainwashed, but what if it is the other way around? Has anyone here actually been to North Korea, or tried to go there?

edit on 8-4-2013 by liverlad because: (no reason given)

Yes, and your above theory is just plain wrong. South Korea is a paradise in comparison. I was also in Nicaragua prior to the Sandinista take over...the poverty was rampant to a degree that Americans cannot truly comprehend without seeing it first hand. I thought I was prepared.....I wasn't.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? Just because, perhaps you haven't, does that mean that 3rd world countries are a production of MSM and our govt for the purpose of brainwashing?

Yet another example of ...

The bilderbergers run the UN, World Bank, IMF, NATO. Communism in general is layed back and often associated with atheism, but people have to admit that sanctions placed on such nations help an awful lot in keeping them down.

Why the hell would the rich elite want to trade with them when they are so radically different and don't support the NWO agenda? Even socialist(mixed economies) have been trashed over the last few decades to make room for a 100% private sector. Unless the elite can benefit they will not ignore you, rather they will CHOKE YOU out of existance.

It is not just the socialists and communists they are after, they are also after non-secular nations, with the notable exception of israel. After all the protocols of zion(the most evil document ever composed) is based on never creating a state of israel so that christians and jews go to war against socialists/communists/muslims. That is the pretext of WW3 which hopefully can be avoided.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Even socialist(mixed economies) have been trashed over the last few decades to make room for a 100% private sector.

Their problems are simple: They have spent more than they can afford. They have such a debt/deficit issue with all the entitlements that it eventually becomes unsustainable.

Same thing is happening here in the US. We cannot continue to sustain the year after year deficits...out of control spending has left us with an unimaginable debt. Our leaders cannot even lead by cutting the spending and being the responsible caretakers of our gov't. that they should be.

Instead it is more important that they do the self-destructive things they support in order to get re-elected. If a candidate spoke up and said we are cutting entitlements, then they would be committing political suicide since the voters are so ill-informed or just don't care...whatever it takes to fill the hands being held out for handouts.

You present murky theories as fact...at least identify them for what they are.

reply to post by bbracken677


Statistics...lies damn lies.

It's all about what you include in that figure. Are you just talking food and housing? Guards, clothes, security, maintenance, utilities, etc. Or about what you don't include in the figures. With such omissions or inclusions, you can make it whatever number you want it to be....

Originally posted by Knives4eyes
I want freedom for all but I know we must start at home before anywhere else.

I fully agree with you!

For me, it's the most important sentence everyone should follow.

It's to easy seeing what others are doing, to easy pointing at problems other have, to easy saying others has done that, but hard looking to one self.

reply to post by WhiteAlice

Actually, before the USSR and US entered into what was unified Korea, the UN unilaterally agreed to the division of North and South Korea

I have to correct a few things.

Unified Korea was actually Occupied Korea. The Japanese Occupied Korea in 1920 and had been there 35 years.

The U.N had nothing to do with the division of Korea that was done by the allied powers at the Yalta Conference after ww2. Which were attended by all allied powers.

As for the Sovites being our "buds" and what ever you said about wheat. I don't feel the need to address those issues. Start a thread with those belief's then we will talk. I prefer to stay on topic on this one.

You should check out the prisons in Texas. Until recently, the inmates in a jail in a city near mine each had their own microwave in their own cell, I kid you not . . . They just know removed them due to issues of "safety". Now the issue is what to do over the security problems with large connecting holes between the cells.

One of the reasons we have so many people in prison here, is due to drug arrests, which I find highly ridiculous. The thing about that, though, is that all you have to do is not do drugs, and you don't serve time. I think there is a major move going on to completely decriminalize drug use, and I can just imagine how many fewer people will end up in jail.

reply to post by artnut


Just walking along with the thread a bit, and if I were you OP, I would change the picture/image associated with your username.. it's a little bit aggressive and intimidating.. wonder if you might consider choosing a different image or principle to convey your thoughts about yourself.. Hope that's healthy for ya'!

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

Actually, before the USSR and US entered into what was unified Korea, the UN unilaterally agreed to the division of North and South Korea

I have to correct a few things.

Unified Korea was actually Occupied Korea. The Japanese Occupied Korea in 1920 and had been there 35 years.

The U.N had nothing to do with the division of Korea that was done by the allied powers at the Yalta Conference after ww2. Which were attended by all allied powers.

As for the Sovites being our "buds" and what ever you said about wheat. I don't feel the need to address those issues. Start a thread with those belief's then we will talk. I prefer to stay on topic on this one.

-Yep, technically, you'd be corrected except that Korea had been liberated and was no longer being occupied by Japan in the time period before the division. Saying "unified Korea" should be read as "the short period of time when the country was unoccupied and undivided" since it does not exist today.

-UN and the Allies were essentially the same time as per Roosevelt when he came up with the idea years prior.

Actually, the Russian Wheat Deal is not a subjective belief but a historical fact. Read up on it yourself. It's quite appropriate because, really, what this thread is discussing is the presentation of enemies in the media according to the OP and questioning that accuracy. The Russian Wheat Deal is and was a direct contradiction to what the public perceived in regards to our involvements with the USSR. It poses the question of that difference that the OP is trying to point out

More on wheat exports to the USSR of 1972-1973, page 3: www.brookings.edu...

To be honest, I was pretty miffed when I was looking through my grandfather's old files and found the USDA itinerary to the USSR stashed in there. I had recollected him talking about the USSR and having Russian toys and books to play with when I was a kid. He had a great story about how the Soviets bugged his vehicle. Never imagined once that he went with the USDA. He went in 1973 and I always thought that it was for some type of talks with the USSR in regards to the Yom Kippur War but nope--itinerary said "USDA". Very contradictory to the all-powerful nemesis of my youth. I'm sorry if you don't like it. I didn't either but I learned something when I found that itinerary and started looking.

It isn't a zero sum proposition.

I'm thankful to live where I do because of what I believe it can be, and because of some of the things that it is... not because of everything it is or does. I have deep misgivings about and opposition toward many, many things my country has done and continues to do. This does not mean that North Korea is somehow saintly. Likewise, I feel enormous opposition to much of what North Korea does. This does not by contrast mean that America is saintly, or that I buy into the so-called myth of American exceptionalism.

The two positions are not mutually exclusive, and I am a bit disturbed when I see people equating countries like Iran or North Korea with being innocent victims of American hegemony - even if I acknowledge that such hegemony exists by my standards at least - just because many seem to feel that to oppose one "side" is to embrace or support another.

I refuse to pick a side personally. I have yet to see the nation or the government that is not willing to sacrifice the wellbeing and liberty of its own people to expand its own power. The difference is only one of degrees by my standards and in my opinion. What I advocate are peace, freedom, and quality of life for all human beings, regardless of nationality. And wherever I see the absence of those things in any degree due to the actions of the state, I oppose that. Whether that be North Korea, America, or Timbuktu.

Peace.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by bbracken677

 

Statistics...lies damn lies.

It's all about what you include in that figure. Are you just talking food and housing? Guards, clothes, security, maintenance, utilities, etc. Or about what you don't include in the figures. With such omissions or inclusions, you can make it whatever number you want it to be....

Yeah, but 7500 bucks a year per inmate? There is no way you can get to that figure without being deceitful or stupid.

Yep, technically, you'd be corrected except that Korea had been liberated and was no longer being occupied by Japan in the time period before the division. Saying "unified Korea" should be read as "the short period of time when the country was unoccupied and undivided" since it does not exist today.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Korea has not been unified one second since ww2. If you wanted to speak of a unified Korea . Go back to 1900 to 1910 , or ealier. Unless you want to say it was "Unified" under Japanese rule.

Administration of the Korean people continued until Japan's defeat at the end of World War II at which time Korea became an independent nation albeit divided under two separate governments and economic systems. Crimes and indignities committed against the Korean people during the Japanese administration of Korea continue to be the subject of controversy between these two nations

The period between the End of ww2 and the division of Korea was so short. The Japanese continued be the administrators of Korea until the U.S and U.S.S.R took over.

UN and the Allies were essentially the same time as per Roosevelt when he came up with the idea years prior.

The U.N had nothing to do with the division of Korea, or the Yalta Conference. Where Korea was divided.

Yalta Conference Feb. 4th to 11th 1945

U.N formed, Oct. 24 1945.

reply to post by AceWombat04


Amen, AceWombat04. Just because I question the way things are presented and so on, that doesn't mean that I think North Korea is a saint. They aren't. I was watching the Vice video and was kind of chuckling because I actually have been in that kind of environment twice in my life when I visited East Germany, right on down to the no smiling or pointing fingers. Or the USSR where, when I went to a Russian circus, the crowd clapped in eery unison. So I've actually been in these kind of cultures and it wasn't fun. That said, if I point out that perhaps North Korea has a right to complain about something or that we've done evil, too, that doesn't mean that I'm on North Korea's side. Like you, I'm on neither's side because both have made grievous mistakes and I"m willing to ask questions and make observations that show that it's not so cut and dry. Nothing ever is. I'd rather be asking questions that may get me labeled as being anti-american than to not question or even play devil's advocate to ask those questions publicly. I don't want to be the sort of person that simply thinks what I'm told to. I'd love to see a day where North Korea can tone it down by about a thousand notches. Maybe they get used to having that kind of country or even appreciate it--I don't know. All I know is being in similar types of countries gave me the ibby jibbies.

Of the world? Us. Of their own people? NK.

I'd say that the US of A is the best place in the world but we do overstep our bounds and stick our noses into the wrong places.

reply to post by TheOriginalMolonLabe


I cant believe im even posting a reply. Your absolutley right. But im damn proud to be american! I think some of these people posting should move to the great leaders country for a year or two. And if there not imprisoned or executed or starved to death. Theyll be begging to come back here. If they are lucky enough to cross the demiliterized zone!