More US Deployments

reply to post by Gazrok


As I brought up in another thread though, in this case, we topple the regime, police South Korea, and turn the North over to the ROK to police and rebuild. We keep troops in the area while they rebuild and get back up to speed, and let them take the risks. Instead of the Evil Americans in the area, they have a people that some of them are related to coming in, so instead of fighting, maybe they'll embrace them.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by olaru12

 

That strategy sure worked well in Iraq and Afghanistan, didn't it

I think most forget that the WAR part of the strategies worked very well. The regimes were toppled quickly. It's the POLICE actions after, that are time and resource consuming (and costs lives). If regime toppling is the mission, this again can be accomplished quickly, but trying to police people who don't want you there, is (obviously) a losing proposition from the start...and foolhardy.

Yes but very profitable for those that deal in the lives, blood, and aftermath of such POLICE actions. That's what it's really all about. imo
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reply to post by Zaphod58

As I brought up in another thread though, in this case, we topple the regime, police South Korea, and turn the North over to the ROK to police and rebuild. We keep troops in the area while they rebuild and get back up to speed, and let them take the risks. Instead of the Evil Americans in the area, they have a people that some of them are related to coming in, so instead of fighting, maybe they'll embrace them.

Totally agree, and lets hope our leaders have learned the lessons well from Iraq and Afghanistan.

And Olaru12, no doubt...which is exactly the problem. However, NK is a different ball of wax. Entrenched positions, etc. that may not allow for that same kind of profit.

reply to post by Gazrok


I hope they have, but considering how they've micromanaged them almost as badly as Vietnam was (if not worse), I'm much less than hopeful that they have.

Originally posted by Flyers Fan

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Ok, NOW I'm really getting an ungood feeling here.

If you see US Army Japan troops activate and civilians being evac'd from Camp Zama and Kadena and Atsugi and Yokuska (etc) in Japan ... THEN you should get nervous. Then I'd say we are close. Their mission is to support S. Korea if anything were to happen. They'd be the first ones in ...

But right now .. it's all 'green' there and no civilian/dependent evac's.
I checked their websites.

While I tend to agree with you here - they are not evacuating the dependants from S. Korea is a sign that the administration is not really too worried about an all out strike on Seoul or the surrounding areas.

There is another angle (admittedly a dark one) to consider...

The US needs the civilian deaths to generate sufficient "outrage" in the population at large to ensure the administration is able to enter into another open ended conflict without any negative impact on their poll numbers.

I for one think that this administration along with others but especially this one wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice a few thousand military dependants to get their agenda advanced and to protect the "Dear Leaders" legacy.

reply to post by Hopechest


I think (depending on where you live) America could be seen easily as a huge security threat. America has done enough "Freedom Fighting" and fudged up way to many countries and cultures in the past. Maybe it's time for them to just sit back and STFU! If Americans weren't parading around in SK with big war birds and military exercises, maybe things would have been a little more calm over there. Typical American stance....Stir up the hornets nest but good, then spray the snot out of it with the most deadly concoction of #e Monsanto can dream up. I think your great superpower has done enough already don't you?

Think we are stopping any war any time soon???

We have seen more deployments this year alone than any other year I have been in the military.
Why??? Because most likely we are going to war with China and Russia.

Basically, what you see now is North Korea trying to lay the foundation of damage to the allies. Weaken a power animal before delivering the final blow. The facts are all there. The US have secured bases right in-between Russia and China limiting their troop build up and stop them from using German blitzkrieg tactics. And, bases stopping their troop movement to the UK.

If, we didn't have bases in the middle east or Europe for that matter. Russia would push towards Spain allowing them to build up there troops for a massive wave into the United States on the East side and China on the West side. You can get the picture from there. I know this because that is the same tactic I use for conquering nations on Civilization. Be buddy buddy with the City-States in-between your enemy and watch their every movement.

Now, look that the US. All the bases on the coastline are AMC bases because if the US were to ever be invaded, we would have no need to transport cargo overseas at that point anymore and could for warn the inner states an invasion has begun. Thats why most bases in the inner states are fighters bases and thats why our bomber base is no where near any of that.

We have been preparing for years for an all out assault on planet Earth. This currently conflict could be it because the world and not just the US, is on the verge of collapsing. We have no idea what to do if currency fails because it has become one with the core of this planet.

USA plans on being the only country the survive in post WW3. Once that happens, Canada and Mexico would be next. The rest of the world would die off because there would be no trading.

George Washington believed in Isolationism and I have agreed with it for many years.
Defense and reliability on ourselves only. Let the rest of the world eat itself alive because empires fall and taking everything with it.

Originally posted by johngrissom
Now, look that the US. All the bases on the coastline are AMC bases because if the US were to ever be invaded, we would have no need to transport cargo overseas at that point anymore and could for warn the inner states an invasion has begun. Thats why most bases in the inner states are fighters bases and thats why our bomber base is no where near any of that.

There are a number of fighter and strike bases on the coasts though. Yeah, a lot of them are tanker bases, but you have Seymour Johnson which has F-15Es, Tyndal and Homestead which have F-15s and F-22s, Langley which has F-15s and F-22s just to name a few that are near the coastlines. That doesn't count ANG units and others. There are also bomber bases fairly near the coasts too, including Barksdale AFB (B-52s), and Dyess AFB (B-1s)

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Curio

 

The Washington is forward deployed to Japan, so she's always in the area. The rest of the fleet is in really bad shape, so there might not be much to send over there right now. The carriers have pushed off maintenance and routine things for so long, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

As of February 6, 2013, four carriers are in home port, one is undergoing a three-year refueling complex overhaul, one is undergoing emergency repairs, one is on a planned 6-month incremental availability pier side, and another is undergoing maintenance. That leaves the Stennis in the Arabian Sea and the Bush underway in the Atlantic, only two carriers at sea. That said, the USS Washington is forward deployed to Japan and is in home port there. The Navy says if budget cuts get much worse, she’ll be the only carrier able to respond to contingencies. (020713)

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A little update....

The Stennis just finished a Singapore port call and now according to the Navy is in the 3rd Fleet AOR en route to Hawaii, San Diego and finally Bremerton Wa.

The Nimitz departed Everett Wa on 30 March. It arrived in San Diego Apr 2nd to pick up the air wing and departed Apr 3rd to do some final quals off the coast and deploy from there. .

The George Washington started a 6 month Selected Restricted Availability (SRA) maintenance period pier side in Yokosuka Japan on Feb 14th.

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That E-6 plane does sound a little strange for it being deployed. Maybe in response to China's buildup???

does NK have submarine capability? if just one or two came close to the west coast, or Hawaii, could they somehow plant a nuke on our doorstep?...maybe the missiles are for show. could a tanker ship or cargo ship make to look like it's from another country, get close to the US?

reply to post by Laxpla


They're a communications relay system originally designed for submarine communications. When the EC-135 fleet was retired, they added a Battlestaff capability to make them more like the ECs were.

One of the neater design features (also on the E-4B and was on the EC-135) is the Trailing Wire Antenna system. It's basically a metal cone, with a wire about as thick around as your thumb that stretches out for miles behind the aircraft. The E-6B has two of them.







The E-4B has one.



The EC-135 had one located under the belly by the landing gear.

What makes this interesting is that when they're in flight, the TWA can extend for several miles behind the aircraft (I've heard up to 5). The cone on the end is the transmitting antenna, but when they transmit, the entire wire becomes an antenna and transmits an ELF signal that is used to talk to submarines while they're submerged.

reply to post by jimmyx


They have submarines, but IIRC the only one that can reach the US is the Whiskey class, which was originally built in the 1950s, and can only do it at like 11 knots. They're old, and noisy and would take forever to get there. The Whiskey has a 9000 mile range at 11 knots.

I was wondering. Has China stopped bothering fishing fleets in the South China Sea and contesting ownership with Japan about that little island yet?

reply to post by intrptr


Both sides have backed off a lot over that whole situation. There were talks scheduled, but the confrontation has dropped off significantly in recent weeks. I haven't heard anything since Japan announced they were deploying F-15s and E-2s to the Senkaku region.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
God i really hope this dosent spin out of control.

What no one is thinking, if we do go to war with NK, China will have a great excuse to sale its 1 trillion dollars in US bonds. China needs a reason to sale those bonds and this is it! If that happens, say good bye to the US global reserve status. Welcome to the greatest depression.

LOL everybody says this

Sell what??? If we go to war I guess it will be a FIRE SALE? Yuk Yuk Yuk....

How does this matter it's an Attack. if they do it it's all about Mushroom Clouds

Remember this USAF deployment from last year Zaph? It looks like they are expecting quite a few sorties based on the numbers.


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Thought I would throw in this awesome quote.....

The airmen of the 7th kept a bomber in the air over Afghanistan every moment of their deployment, according to an Air Force announcement, in the largest B-1 overseas deployment in 10 years.

reply to post by Zaphod58

reply to post by howmuch4another


Yeah, I remember that one. That was impressive considering what a POC the B-1 is, and has been for years. I had a crew chief tell me several years ago that there is no such thing as a Fully Mission Capable B-1 bomber, never has been, and never will be. Every one of them has some kind of problem somewhere in the system.

One of the scarier things is that they only put three generators on them to lighten the weight and let them go supersonic. What this means is that when taking off, they have to choose between navigation and deicing.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

Ever since Carter, it's been our mandate (due to Iran), something continued under each President since. Former Admirals have all called for it to be rescinded, but it never has been, at least as recently as Jan of this year. This situation may have changed it though, and for all we know, one of them is either there or on the way...but yeah, most are in port being worked on, as they went WAY too long between scheduled maintenance due to missions. Will be nice once those Gerald Ford class ones are built though...but a ways off. I think the first will be ready in 2015.

Me thinks strategic

Big question as to how effective Chinese and Russian Missiles could be against carriers.... keep many at home use big bombs upgrade rest dependent upon results

The Stennis just finished a Singapore port call and now according to the Navy is in the 3rd Fleet AOR en route to Hawaii, San Diego and finally Bremerton Wa.

The Nimitz departed Everett Wa on 30 March. It arrived in San Diego Apr 2nd to pick up the air wing and departed Apr 3rd to do some final quals off the coast and deploy from there. .

The George Washington started a 6 month Selected Restricted Availability (SRA) maintenance period pier side in Yokosuka Japan on Feb 14th.

So, that technically puts 3 carriers that COULD be called upon. (in addition to our bases in the area, of course)

They have submarines, but IIRC the only one that can reach the US is the Whiskey class, which was originally built in the 1950s, and can only do it at like 11 knots. They're old, and noisy and would take forever to get there. The Whiskey has a 9000 mile range at 11 knots.

And, the commonly held info is that these are retired from service. I believe these are also the only ones they have with any missile capability, but were purchased without said components.

As for war with Russia or China...won't happen. With Russia, MAD will keep that in check. With China, AD will keep it in check. Conflicts with either would go nuclear, and all know it.

On the B-1, that plane was really done under a strange process of constantly changing mission profiles, etc. It's a miracle it ever came to be in the first place. They've been in service for over 20 years, and were really pushing the envelope for their mission profile when they came out then. I'm surprised there haven't been more incidents due to it's flaws, to be honest...but statistically, it held up pretty well.