China places military on highest alert.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


If you follow the Vietnam war logic, then you should worry about Russia too, since... well... russia did train the north and supply SAMs and other weaponry - the russian SAMs alone were responsible for the loss of many bombers and fighters. Migs and Mis had their show and I wont even mention where the AK-47 got famous...

I think most of you in here completely don't understand the dynamics of US
meddling here. North Korea is what it its, but the US is definitely stirring the pot here.

Here is some useful info to balance our thinking!

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Here’s another quote from ANSWER Coalition leader Brian Becker: “The Pentagon and the South Korean military today —and throughout the past year — have been staging massive war games that simulate the invasion and bombing of North Korea. Few people in the United States know the real situation. The work of the war propaganda machine is designed to make sure that the American people do not join together to demand an end to the dangerous and threatening actions of the Pentagon on the Korean Peninsula. “The propaganda campaign is in full swing now as the Pentagon climbs the escalation ladder in the most militarized part of the planet. North Korea is depicted as the provocateur and aggressor whenever it asserts that they have the right and capability to defend their country. Even as the Pentagon simulates the nuclear destruction of a country that it had already tried to bomb into the Stone Age, the corporate-owned media characterizes this extremely provocative act as a sign of resolve and a measure of self-defense.”

David Asher, senior fellow at the Centre for a New American Security, testified in unsparing detail before the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee on the implications of North Korea's expanding nuclear program.

I was in Washington and met with Asher at his office, not far from the State Department where he worked as coordinator of the North Korea Working Group designed to curtail the nuclear threat. He laid out what he described as “very ominous” developments.

Asher said that back in July 2002, North Korean president Kim Yong-nam led “a high level delegation to Damascus, Syria for a mysterious purpose.” They inked an agreement of “scientific and technological cooperation.”

Asher also said that the pact between Syria and North Korea led possibly to “other forms of WMD (weapons of mass destruction) cooperation.” Right now, Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile are the subject of much international concern as the civil war threatens the rule of the embattled President Bashar Assad.

Great, the possibility of WMDs being created as a cocktail of nuclear and biological is not something to take lightly or to play off as just so much rhetoric.

It would be a complete game changer for N.Korea and all of its allies if they started this kind of action.

thestar.blogs.com... rean-peoples-ar.html

Originally posted by penninja
reply to post by Panic2k11

 

None of this even exists anymore

We are ALL moving in the direction of some kind of socialist/Capitalist hybrid system we obviously came to agree upon...

You have to be blind to not see that the systems of Europe, America, Russia, China are slowly but surely becoming nearly identical .... everything you read here from gun control for the USA and health care to free markets in China and Americas economics equalizing with the rest of the world etc, etc ....

come on... it's blatant

Every systems has its advantages and disadvantages:

The advantage of American capitalism was (is?) that low taxation and that anyone could set up their own company and build a better product. This advantage got killed off by big government, high taxes and by patent wars, which really only allows startups in new fields, and not existing ones.

The advantage of European socialism was that people didn't have to save up every penny just in case they needed health coverage in the future. The Chinese tried having 100% private healthcare, but the population just wouldn't spend their money, they'd just save, save and save, and not spend their money. So they had to bring in a social security net.

East European communism had the advantage of public healthcare and education, but the disadvantage of centralised planning, which meant that governments could adapt fast enough, and restricted financial investment, so even if someone had an idea, they couldn't capitalize on it. Every country needs a private sector to create new companies.

Most West European countries, medical care is free, but dental care is private, but you still have to pay for pharmacy products. State education is free, but there is fierce competition for the good state schools, and very few can afford private schools. Some countries, only 10% go to university, but it is free. Other countries like the UK, anyone can go to university but they have to pay for it.

The obvious, yet seemingly unexpected angle is this -

China needs "experience" with large scale war time operations if it expects to field more than a meat shield in any future engagements.

China wishes to be seen as not only the dominant force in Asia but also as a force for positive change. It seeks both the intimidation AND the approval of it's neighbors, especially those neighbors who have been allies with the West.

China seeks to influence the internal machinations of it's neighbors through politics and economics.

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Perhaps we are seeing preparations for a Chinese intervention, which serves to exclude U.S. involvement, provide battle experience to troops and leadership, test hardware and tactics and also to put war making power on display.

I don't think China wants foreign powers making war in it's back yard. I don't think China wants a starving third world country making waves. I don't think they want their border rushed and I don't think they want this cycle to drag on and on, over and over again.

It makes sense to me that they would seek to take control on this issue and very possibly in a very direct, hands on approach.

This puts them at the table when dust settles and Korea is reunited... Ostensibly, as a paternal figure that has intervened and set things right not only for the South Koreans and their allies but also for the people of North Korea.

There are other benefits as well.. For example, would the U.S. condemn the action despite it's wars of "liberation" that were fought with much less evidence of need or would the U.S. offer approval of the new kid on the block and his methods, publicly, to the world?

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


When China taught Vietnam a lesson back in '79, Russia did not even sound a whimper as it prepared for its own invasion into Afghanistan, and let China have a free hand so that China would equally, and had done so, let Russia have its free hand in its conquest of Afghanistan of its resources.

Today, Vietnam had woken up to realities, is a free country, owes no allegience to any state except to its own citizens and trying its best to modernise, not perfect, but no nation is anyway.

It best to stick with Geopolitical realities of today on the actions of China and Russia.

And the reality is that NEITHER China and Russia wants a nuclear armed Asia Pacific states.

It can deal with USA and its 'nuclear umbrella' which takes days to arrive unlike NATO states whereby active missile shields are in placed there.

But it cannot deal with an asian pacific filled with mass produced nukes by the thousands alt at once if WW3 happens.

China is in the midst with territorial disputes with Taiwan and the other states over its insane claims of the entire South China Sea. Russia has a long standing dispute with Japan over the Kurile Islands, as well as its corrupt bearish hunger over the rich resources of that sea. A militarily strong Asia Pacific is not what it wants, nor a nuclear armed middle east as well. It too knows nuke proliferation is not to their advantage.

USA and S.Korea had shown great restraint and even trust, if foolish, for decades by feeding N.Korea. If there's any meddling accuse of them both is that they tried to end the nuke proliferation on good faith, BUT yet, they were decieved wholesale, just as the bootlickers of N.Korea here are trying to fool others with their mind bending tongue twisting BS that N.Korea had been an angel all along.

If N.Korea were sane, rational and capable of being honest, those nukes and ICBMs would not have been in existance today and the NK people starved.

Another article I found very very interesting, not sure if there is a thread or not but wanted to continue adding to the discussion as it is foremost on my mind today.

______beforeitsnews/opinion-conservative/2013/04/u-s-on-alert-for-nuclear-blast-overhead-2611700.html

WASHINGTON – U.S. officials quietly are expressing concern that North Korea could use its “space launch vehicle” to explode a high-altitude nuclear device over the United States, creating an electromagnetic pulse that would destroy major portions of the U.S. electrical grid system as well as the nation’s critical infrastructures.

The concern is so great that U.S. officials who watch North Korea closely are continually monitoring the status of the North Korean “space launch vehicle,” whose status could suggest a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States.

This concern is in addition to North Korea’s latest threat to strike targets in Hawaii and the continental U.S., as well as possible attacks against U.S. bases in South Korea and Japan.

The 28-year-old North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, has signed an order for North Korea’s strategic rocket forces to be on standby to fire at U.S. targets.

The signing was against a photo backdrop following an emergency meeting of his senior military leaders showing large maps that were labeled “U.S. mainland strike plan, specifically at Hawaii, Washington, D.C., Los Angeles and Austin, Texas.”

patdollard.com...

reply to post by Jakes51


This is where we disagree, though I do see your point. I think China does not want a conflict. That costs money, which is in short supply across the globe.

Once a unified Korea is an actuality, then diplomacy and greedy capitalists will take over. From there it is an easy leap to being both technologically and financially superior to the rest of the world. It wouldn’t take long either.

After all, they have the workforce.

How the world would view that is another thread I'm afraid.

reply to post by antar


I doubt the source.

What I do know after reading from different sources around the world over the failed satellite launch was that it could no longer receive or transmit signals. If it was a space based weapon, it would have been a failure as commands could not be sent to it, nor is NK so capable with predicting exact time for hostilities that it could plant a timer on board.

I could be wrong, but still, vigilance is good, but not to the point of paranoia. Best deal with facts on hand, and a watchful eye over the skies.

The big indicator that something is really about to go down is if the US starts to move ground forces.

The US only has 1 armored Brigade, 1 Artillery Brigade, and 1 Combat Aviation Brigade (and a string of support units) in South Korea. These come from the 2nd Infantry Division. Plans call for the Marine Division on Okinawa, the rest of the 2nd Infantry Division at Ft Lewis, Washington, most of the 25th Infantry Division in Hawaii and Alaska and most of the 1st Cavalry in Texas; all tasked as the reinforcing units for South Korea in the event of general war. Any of these guys moving or alerted?? That would tell alot.

Right now it's just ships an airplanes we are moving. Mainly to let them know we are interested. We haven't even moved a carrier nearby yet (2 are in the Western Pacific, 2 more can easily be "surged" relatively quickly).

There might be some additional ground troops for the exercises, but I don't know. The units I listed above would be the ones to watch.

As far as the Chinese I think a refugee exodus is their biggest concern. Keeping Western forces from going to deep into N K in the event of a war is a second. They are also getting a little tired of NK. I don't think they would topple him as some here have suggested, but stranger things have happened.

Haven't we been at a boiling point for some time now?? I read this too often on this board and nothing happens. which is good.

Originally posted by votan
Haven't we been at a boiling point for some time now?? I read this too often on this board and nothing happens. which is good.

We can only hope that is the case this time.

This particular situation can easily escalate rapidly into a war, and with the USA commitment to defend the south, it could easily expand into direct threats from the Chinese, if they fear that the end result of the Korean conflict with US involvement will lead to a unified Korea that is under the control and influence of the USA...

Chinese subs armed with detection evading cruise missiles in the pacific could take out a lot of key US targets quickly... Of course it is a war no one can win, but since when has that ever stopped military powers from trying?

Evil finds a way, it always does... Lets just hope that this crisis can be resolved without hostilities.

i suppose some people just wana see the world burn

no way on earth China and the USA are going to war

especially while China owns 33% of Americas debt in the form of treasury bonds

somethings going on, but for now i just can't put my finger on it..

reply to post by wondermost


Maybe CHINA is on the unknown side shall 1 say in respects to assisting refugees or responding.

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Here`s the latest from BBC news.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Asher said that back in July 2002, North Korean president Kim Yong-nam led “a high level delegation to Damascus, Syria for a mysterious purpose.” They inked an agreement of “scientific and technological cooperation.”

Syria and North Korea cooperating technologically is like two homeless wino's meeting to cooperate financially.

There is an old saying "You can't get blood from a turnip".

reply to post by SrWingCommander


The big indicator of things in motion for me is when all my old intel buddies go cold dark and quiet on emails. Not because they cannot say anything, but rather because they are working their tails off.

Like right now.

well lets see where this story China places military on highest alert. Rt had it from WT who got it from Free beacon they got it form your Favorite place up there with BFIN Info-wars and WND, lets not forget GLP all creditable and reliable news sources. Yes that one place where the news just becomes news www.whatdoesitmean.com... yep you got Sorcha Faal freebeacon.com...

SrWingCommander:

(with regards to)...the Chinese, I think a refugee exodus is their biggest concern (and,) keeping Western forces from going too deep into NK in the event of war is a second.

I think this is a fair assessment. NK is an extreme image of what Chinese leaders perceive their country to be. Unmeddled with, and unassailed by other countries, the world not knowing its business, but yet engaging with the world through necessary polity and economics.

NK has acted like a buffer zone for China's southwestern borders, but also it has been a concern due to the unpredictability of its leaders. There may be a desire in the minds of China's leaders to absorb NK into Chinese territorial protectorate, which may ultimately prove to be the solution to the easing of tensions in the area, but it may have to get rid of the current crop of NK leaders.

There could be an international trade off in this for China to negate its claims for Tiawan and the Senkakus island chains in order to get NK. South Korea can then become the self-sovereign nation state of Democratic Republic of Korea, with no claims for reunification.

As things stand, NK is suffering under the sanctions imposed upon it by the so-called international community. They are short of food, and probably short of many other essential requirements. Kim Jung-un may be looking for an excuse to do some raiding, or is blowing tantrums because perhaps things are not as rosy in his country as he'd like them to be? There must be groups in NK opposed to the leaders and the way the country is run? NK needs to undergo a regime change for the good of all countries in the region and the international communities at large, and probably for the ordinary people of NK.

China can play a massive part in this, in fact, it is probably essential that they do. If only it was as simple as that, though. Kim Jung-un has nuclear weapons at his disposal, probably not that many, but enough to cause serious and considerable damage in the region, and thus, to bring an arguable needful regime change to NK, it will take the acceptance of destruction on a large scale from the international community to achieve it, and then let China do the rebuild and set the policy with help from the international community.

Obviously, the other option is to do nothing, and continue the cat and mouse postures, until one day it erupts spontaneously into full scale war. Kim Jung-un may commit his country to war out of desperation, thinking to cause as much damage as he can before he is taken down? He knows that even with gaining nuclear weapons, the international community is still not listening to him, but giving him even more sanctions. How long will his people accept the hardships they must be suffering? How long before they get to know the truth about their country and the rest of the world?

Sabre Rattling, Fear Mongering, Distractions to what is really happening in our World i.e. UN Ratifies Arms Treaty, What happened in Syria today? What laws were passed in congress today? etc. Misinforming the uninformed.