China places military on highest alert.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


You havent really said how you know this - please enlighten me to how you know exactly what NK is capable and not capable of doing?

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by TheSep

 

Get what, nuclear ICBMs, China does not support DPRK’s military in anymore in the event that hostilities restart China will not support DPRK and there is no chance they would ever give them the technology to use nuclear weapons.

so, are you suggesting that "launching" them is their only option ?
or maybe that they don't have friends to lend them launch capable equipment ?

so then, their close knit ties to China and mutual defense agreement would just fade into the sunset and in the shadow of the all mighty green $$ of which both countries prefer to discard ?
somehow, that just doesn't add up for me, does it for you ?

Makes sense.

If Mexico and South America were getting ready for war, and there was the potential for nukes to be used, with China moving in to defend the south, what would the USA do?

Odd example, but I think you can get a glimpse of why the Chinese are preparing for every contingency.

Lets hope that China can somehow control their little spoiled brat in North Korea. They are in a unique position, and could end this crisis... The question is, why haven't they?

People are surprised that China places its military on the highest alert? That area is tinder box, and has been since the end of the Korean War. However, we are now dealing with a loose cannon and nuclear weapons. I fault the international community for not doing more about that, but that is history. Furthermore, the US/SK should build up their forces, and sit and watch. All the while, as President Teddy Roosevelt once said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick." If anyone needs to do something about this Frankenstein's monster? It is China! This is their unruly child, and they need to reprimand it! Like yesterday!

I am so sick and tired of the US being expected to do all the heavy lifting. Enough already! Don't get me wrong, I love South Korea and have been there before. Great people, and a worthy ally. If they are attacked, the US will respond accordingly. However, the US should not be the ones ratcheting up the pressure on North Korea. It is China! Enough of them sitting on the sidelines reaping the spoils fraught by the US without them lifting a finger in support or manpower. Let us not forget the stunt they pulled during the Korean War. North Korea was defeated, and about to be added to the annals of history. A unified Korean Peninsula! Yet, they took it upon themselves to pull off that surprise attack of their's. The rest is history. If I were the US government, I would begin to start coaxing China into this mess. Pressuring them to do something about it. This is their mess, and they have to clean it up!

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I would never expect China to defend NK. I still dont.

Really? They have a formal treaty, just as the US has a treaty with SK and Japan.

reply to post by SecretFace

China are not too bothered about North Korea, just about America being on their door step, but nobody can say what talks have been conducted behind closed doors.

I believe what happened behind closed doors is now scripted in the media in addition to the CFR's diplomatic conclusions on the issue. Your post is right on the mark.

reply to post by wondermost


Behind every diplomatic treaty/international law lies a plethora of egos ready to burst at any moment an obstacle lies ahead of their power struggle. Popcorn, sit back relax and watch how this system is slowly crumbling to its very rotten core. Things may seem unfair and down right inhumane for the masses but it just the passing of a very old mentality to make way for a new and open minded breed of people to pick up the pieces. Well hopefully if there are any pieces left considering all this nuclear threats. The irony of humanity, develop the skills to sustain indefinitely, rather spend resources on weapons so destructive there won't be a world to fight over anymore.

i wonder how many Americans realize just how much of our defense line this whole tit for tat takes away from the Homeland ?

we are already spread rather thin and now this 'show of force' coupled with a DHS memo clarifying their authority to commence warrantless encroachment of every consumer asset available in any bank of their choosing ?

nah, an island skirmish would only be the 'false-flag' of a much bigger operation.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I would never expect China to defend NK. I still dont.

Really? They have a formal treaty, just as the US has a treaty with SK and Japan.

Right.

And Germany had a non-aggression pack with the USSR. England and Germany also had the Munich Agreement.

Those are just 2 examples. Treaties and agreements can be broken with ease.

reply to post by Jakes51


I’m thinking that China actually wants North Korea taken out and unified. Being their neighbor and all, they would have access to more tech and financial means than before and rid of the leach that was sucking up to them.

I think they are just waiting to see how it all plays out and are trying to game it in their favor. Of course, they also want any damage kept to a minimum.

reply to post by larphillips


Maybe Not perhaps, But, it might definitely make the lands uninhabited by millions. Especially if they are Ashes.

reply to post by wondermost


I think that (Kim Jong) has been flexing his muscles because he has (China in his back pocket); I think it is time to be very concerned. I also think there is going to be a war; it is just a matter of time.

reply to post by wondermost

What if you and any one else that read or believed that RT or Free beacon, posting, and some one had proof you where PUNKED what would your reaction be? well there is no mention of this in any ASIA news now do you not think they would be the first to say China is on the move or Troops mass on DPRK border here is english.sina.com... look for your self , for i think you all have been PUNKED.

Originally posted by ausername
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Lets hope that China can somehow control their little spoiled brat in North Korea. They are in a unique position, and could end this crisis... The question is, why haven't they?

That is a big question! China has made a very half-hearted effort to reign in North Korea. They really have done nothing tangible to stop them.

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For those saying that North Korea has no weapons, isn't NK known for selling weapons to other countries, particular our enemies? Who knows what they have received from other countries as well. NK has friends (more like accomplices I guess) - and their friends are NOT the friends of the US. If NK is stupid/crazy enough to take on the US, I am sure there are others who would encourage them and supply what they need to take us on. It would save these other countries from needing to do it themselves. That is kind of speculative of course. But the US has many enemies.

I would not dismiss NK capabilities so easily, or take their threats lightly this time.

reply to post by bekod


I don't think this is the case. I think these events are Very REAL. Keep in mind that other countries CENSOR EVERYTHING. Maybe this was Censored to keep panic to a minimum.

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I would never expect China to defend NK. I still dont.

Really? They have a formal treaty, just as the US has a treaty with SK and Japan.

Right.

And Germany had a non-aggression pack with the USSR. England and Germany also had the Munich Agreement.

Those are just 2 examples. Treaties and agreements can be broken with ease.

Indeed, Nazis were known for their mendacity.

It's unlikely China would like to become known for not backing up its military promises.

Originally posted by BlueAjah

Originally posted by ausername
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Lets hope that China can somehow control their little spoiled brat in North Korea. They are in a unique position, and could end this crisis... The question is, why haven't they?

That is a big question! China has made a very half-hearted effort to reign in North Korea. They really have done nothing tangible to stop them.

The most obvious reason is that they don't want to, and see no advantage by doing so.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I would never expect China to defend NK. I still dont. But if China is there to play the role for NK as the US is playing for SK... then... Thanks for rock and roll, coca-cola and my M4a1 that was very kind to me in my years... and... well... just to say goodbye and thanks.

good luck guys.

China got involved in the Korean War. Do you think they will stay out of it again?

All that noise and hollow threats by NK just to jump start the Nuclear program.

North Korea: On 1 April the government convened the seventh session of the 12 Supreme People's Assembly (SPA) in Pyongyang, pursuant to the Central Committee's directions on 31 March for legislation to institutionalize the nuclear armed forces, to develop the economy and to approve various appointments. The centerpiece of the meeting was "a law on consolidating the position of nuclear weapons state for self-defense (sic). "


"An ordinance of the Supreme People's Assembly of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) in this regard was promulgated on Monday, 1 April."


"The DPRK is a full-fledged nuclear weapons state capable of beating back any aggressor troops at one strike, firmly defending the socialist system and providing a sure guarantee for the happy life of the people…."


"The Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK decides to consolidate the position of the nuclear weapons state as follows:


1. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK are just means for defense as it was compelled to have access to them to cope with the ever-escalating hostile policy of the U.S. and nuclear threat.


2. They serve the purpose of deterring and repelling the aggression and attack of the enemy against the DPRK and dealing deadly retaliatory blows at the strongholds of aggression until the world is denuclearized.


3. The DPRK shall take practical steps to bolster up the nuclear deterrence and nuclear retaliatory strike power both in quality and quantity to cope with the gravity of the escalating danger of the hostile forces' aggression and attack.


4. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK can be used only by a final order of the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army to repel invasion or attack from a hostile nuclear weapons state and make retaliatory strikes.


5. The DPRK shall neither use nukes against the non-nuclear states nor threaten them with those weapons unless they join a hostile nuclear weapons state in its invasion and attack on the DPRK.


6. The DPRK shall strictly observe the rules on safekeeping and management of nukes and ensuring the stability of nuclear tests.


7. The DPRK shall establish a mechanism and order for their safekeeping and management so that nukes and their technology, weapon-grade nuclear substance may not leak out illegally.


8. The DPRK shall cooperate in the international efforts for nuclear non-proliferation and safe management of nuclear substance on the principle of mutual respect and equality, depending on the improvement of relations with hostile nuclear weapons states.


9. The DPRK shall strive hard to defuse the danger of a nuclear war and finally build a world without nukes and fully support the international efforts for nuclear disarmament against nuclear arms race.


10. The related institutions shall take thorough practical steps for implementing this ordinance."


The Assembly also amended the constitution, passed a law on space development, and approved necessary organizational changes. It replaced two members of the powerful National Defense Commission.

The practice of using the threat of war to achieve political or operational gains. The North has done this before. It threatened war when it and China withdrew from and dismantled the Military Armistice Commission in 1994. It also has gone to semi-war state of readiness to cover its activities at Yongbyon, such as refueling the reactor without international supervision. Once Kim Il-sung threatened war to establish the North's right of transit for maritime ships from the port of Haeju to sail between the South Korean held islands off the west coast en route the Yellow Sea.


All three Kims now have used the threat of war to cover their achievement of controversial domestic issues without US interference, as well as to advance international issues. The leadership's willingness to pay such costs measures its continuing inability to gauge accurately Allied reaction, after 60 years.


The North's manipulation of combat readiness measures does not mean it was bluffing. The cost of the civilian mobilization and the increased military readiness steps establish that the North genuinely was prepared to go to general war, but had not made the final decision. Uncertain about the US response, they prepared for the worst.


The situation still is dangerous. There is no armistice. The state of war still exists, as it has for 60 years, and the North's leaders know they can bluff. However, they made the people pay a heavy price for "the new line." The limited information from the rear suggests the country, including the army, is exhausted.

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Kim Un has talked himself into a corner, and there's no backing out of that now, without looking weak. We don't know what he will decide at this point, needless to say with all of the movement taking place on our part, China, and Russia's exercises, I think they are taking this more seriously than the MSM as they continue downplaying this in the media. NY times just released an article stating that NK was simply "blustering". If that's true, why all of the movement and prep?