Women are equal to men/men are equal to women. People can be good.

Originally posted by Ghost375
On average, I'd say today, women are probably smarter than males. There are currently more women going to college than males. Does that indicate they are smarter, or just more motivated? I don't care. I think it's safe to assume that on average, they are smarter. Now I was talking about on average. Let's take a look at the smartest people. From my experience, I have to say that the smartest man is smarter than the smartest woman. Look, throughout history, natural selection favored males who were more intelligent. It really didn't matter how smart females were. That's not how their genes were chosen. This phenomenon likely led to an alteration of the female brain. There are some flaws in their logic patterns. Now when you look at average intelligence, these flaws don't matter. But when you look at the very peak intelligence rates, the geniuses, men are still smarter. This doesn't mean they are better or worse. It just is.

Where did you go to college? At least in Australia there are more men than women doing higher education. I sort of agree with you though, men seem to vary a lot in their intelligence, going from one extreme (very stupid), to the other (very smart). Whereas women seem to perform more consistantly. Now its important to note that we are talking about the sexes as a group. This doesn't mean that men and women shouldn't have the same rights, its just illustrating that we are different.

Originally posted by salainen


Where did you go to college? At least in Australia there are more men than women doing higher education.

I'm afraid you are mistaken.
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In Australia

In 2001, women aged 20-64 years were slightly more likely to hold higher education qualifications than men (17% and 15% respectively).
In particular, young women were more likely to have higher education qualifications than men of the same age. For example, among people aged 25-29 years, 25% of women had higher education qualifications, compared with 18% of men in the same age group.

www.abs.gov.au...@.nsf/1020492cfcd63696ca2568a1002477b5/e1a27d207c960e79ca256e9e00286295!OpenDocument

Women began to make up a higher proportion of higher education in 1990.

www.abs.gov.au...@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/0660ad7a5d3e0e31ca2570ec00786347!OpenDocument
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In the US

Total enrollment figures show that females outnumbered their male counterparts for the first time in the late 1970s, and they have steadily increased their numerical advantage ever since.
The female domination of higher education prevails across all types of schools. It should also be noted that the national male-female ratio for 18-24 year olds is actually 51-49, meaning there are more (traditionally) college-aged males than females

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www.forbes.com...
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UK too.
In twenty universities, it was found that there is twice as many females as males!

docs.google.com...=4

Maybe I'll stop there, to avoid overkill. But maybe one of our differences is that when a woman can't sleep at 3 AM, she gets up and does research, while a man watches porn.... ?

-Though I think the poster that pointed out possible evolutionary/breeding influences has a good point, as women have not been selected primarily for their intellect in the past. They have mostly been selected according to their level of sensitivity and emotiveness instead (which is often related to irrationality if not disciplined).

On the flip side though, emotiveness is energy, so it is potential.

A powerful sportscar, or a powerful sensitive horse, seem like dangerous or useless things to the hands that do not know how to direct them...
When feminism pushed to give women the right to direct and drive their own potential, that changed things.

For one? They didn't need to select males according to their intellect any more. They don't need a driver.
We might observe some drastic changes in the next few generations....

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Men and women are not equal when it comes to the pain threshold.

A woman has a small human being come out of their vagina...and then may choose to do so again willingly.

Is there any man in here would go through that same type of pain..not only once but 2 or more times willingly?


I consider myself a strong man and all that other jazz...but women got us beat on that aspect.

Men who believe that women are less than us...need to get a life and grow up. Life is not about strength and yes maybe 8 out of ten time we would be stronger...but can we say that about what really matters...the brain.

Can any man on here truly claim that women cannot be and that some are more intelligent than some men.

Yes we are all equal.

Damn tired..sorry if this was utter crap...

lol strong men do not end a sentence in "and all that jazz" sorry they just don't

Originally posted by Bluesma
I'm afraid you are mistaken.

Looks like I am. I remember doing Maths C in High School a few years back, the class was made up of around 15 males, and 2 females. But now that I think about it, I certainly can see there being more women doing higher education than men.

Originally posted by Bluesma
For one? They didn't need to select males according to their intellect any more. They don't need a driver.
We might observe some drastic changes in the next few generations....

Evolution doesn't work that quickly.

If you look at the hard sciences you will see that the male to female ratio heavily favors males
I think it is a matter of "type" of intelligence
YES there are many different types of intelligence
and one is not better than the other
most people have a combination of the different types
but some have a disproportionate amount of only one, like photographic memory for example
and I would not be surprised if there is a difference between sexes

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Is there any man in here would go through that same type of pain..not only once but 2 or more times willingly?

If it meant having children without having to spend every last drop of energy and money on finding and keeping a wife and mother, then yes....gladly.

Women love having babies and want to go through all the pain with pleasure. Now women who are changing their minds on a subject just for their own sake, that is what f*cks me up.

If I have to pin one down with my 'women just aren't women anymore'.....

BEWARE WHAT YOU SAY WOMEN (just in case)

Us guys should stop being greedy and hogging all the labor jobs.We should share to be equal that's what they want, well maybe they want fairness though they keep asking for equality. Fairness and equality are not the same.If two are unequal biologically then equality would only amplify those differences fairness would work to compensate each in there differences. Equality can not allow for one to be offered any special treatment for a difference, fairness can offer compensation for ones differences.

Originally posted by SilentKoala
Except they aren't equal. One is taller, more rational, and has a penis. One is shorter, weaker, more emotional, and has a vagina. Tell me again how they are equal?

I'll go get you a short weak little muppet of a bloke and you go get that amazonian thing you keep in the basement to teach you manners once in a while.


What world do you live in, towering over the females and watching them shudder against the might of your form? as you oppose them from above with a single stern glance, all being, all knowing and all encompassing as the masculine? Watching the dampness of femininity underneath your gaze, whimpering and begging for safety and assurance?

Does your mother know?

Originally posted by salainen

Originally posted by Bluesma
For one? They didn't need to select males according to their intellect any more. They don't need a driver.
We might observe some drastic changes in the next few generations....

Evolution doesn't work that quickly.

Behavioral evolution does.

feminism is a pretty big organization , they must have some funding
why don't they make a football team of the meanest, strongest women in the world
and play a friendly with any pro football team
that will really prove what you say you believe, even a tie would be a victory
but we all know how it will end in reality

a common believe with feminists is that women have to compete with men
therefore beat men at their game
in other worlds, for a feminist, a successful woman is a man with no penis
this is an incorrect way of thinking and it breaks down once you analyze it in more depth
to hold their belief that a strong woman is one that outperforms men they run into
factual problems like the difference in physical strength discussed in this thread

Feminism is doing a disservice to women by telling them to be men
women are not men and instead of glorying male power and wanting it for themselves
they should teach about female power and what a real strong woman is like
the problem is that they are so affixed with male power that they can't see past it

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by salainen


Where did you go to college? At least in Australia there are more men than women doing higher education.

I'm afraid you are mistaken.
-------------------
In Australia

In 2001, women aged 20-64 years were slightly more likely to hold higher education qualifications than men (17% and 15% respectively).
In particular, young women were more likely to have higher education qualifications than men of the same age. For example, among people aged 25-29 years, 25% of women had higher education qualifications, compared with 18% of men in the same age group.

www.abs.gov.au...@.nsf/1020492cfcd63696ca2568a1002477b5/e1a27d207c960e79ca256e9e00286295!OpenDocument

Women began to make up a higher proportion of higher education in 1990.

www.abs.gov.au...@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/0660ad7a5d3e0e31ca2570ec00786347!OpenDocument
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In the US

Total enrollment figures show that females outnumbered their male counterparts for the first time in the late 1970s, and they have steadily increased their numerical advantage ever since.
The female domination of higher education prevails across all types of schools. It should also be noted that the national male-female ratio for 18-24 year olds is actually 51-49, meaning there are more (traditionally) college-aged males than females

.
www.forbes.com...
-------------------------
UK too.
In twenty universities, it was found that there is twice as many females as males!

docs.google.com...=4

Maybe I'll stop there, to avoid overkill. But maybe one of our differences is that when a woman can't sleep at 3 AM, she gets up and does research, while a man watches porn.... ?

-Though I think the poster that pointed out possible evolutionary/breeding influences has a good point, as women have not been selected primarily for their intellect in the past. They have mostly been selected according to their level of sensitivity and emotiveness instead (which is often related to irrationality if not disciplined).

On the flip side though, emotiveness is energy, so it is potential.

A powerful sportscar, or a powerful sensitive horse, seem like dangerous or useless things to the hands that do not know how to direct them...
When feminism pushed to give women the right to direct and drive their own potential, that changed things.

For one? They didn't need to select males according to their intellect any more. They don't need a driver.
We might observe some drastic changes in the next few generations....

edit on 31-3-2013 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)

lol the classroom is geared towards female learning so to show statistical evidence that shows females slightly ahead of males shouldn't be a win it should be expected.

ps I wonder how many of the higher degrees are in fields that are currently filled to the brim with students? I would guess a lot of art degrees and social science degrees

You know, women are always out of line when it comes to things.

Thus we are having this issue here.

We were equal all together, in a normal way. We were equal, just as we were, with men above women, but we were still equal. But then they came to wretch things all apart (women did that). So we were put in a disadvantagous situation. So when men are disadvantaged, and women are too. Then that way we are equal too. Then that's alright for women. One would start to think women don't think.

I do not think the stats on higher education are related to intelligence- let me make that clear.
Besides intelligence being a controversial and fuzzy issue (are there different types of intelligence? Does EQ count as a form of intelligence?), being a good student does not necessarily equal intelligence.

I think we can all think of people we've known who were brilliant, and yet so lazy they never did anything recognizable in their lives, leaving that intelligence an unmanifested potential....... or on the other side, the people that really aren't very intelligent at all, but work like MoFo's and get ahead.

As for what areas men group towards more than women-

Women are just as likely as men to graduate in the fields of Science and Social sciences, business and law. Education is another popular field – in some countries, nine out of ten education graduates are women. In contrast, men continue to dominate the field of Engineering, manufacturing and construction. They are also far more likely to get degrees in Computing.

(globally)
- www.uis.unesco.org...

Research indicates that the preferences are developed in high school.
I'm reading some that claim that is due to the teaching methods and attitudes of teachers, but am aware of the claims of our brains working differently. -That could become more evident in adolescence.
Neurologists sometimes say that the difference they see cannot for sure indicate strengths or weaknesses in these areas though. The belief that they are inherent dependant upon sex could be a "self fulfilling prophecy" though.... with everyone beleiving this, it could be subtly influencing the attitudes of teachers.

But more evident is that more boys are getting in trouble- arrests and school suspensions more numerous and effecting their acceptation into college.

Females (from toddler age up) have on average better social and behavioral skills. This may be part of their draw and success in school.

As early as Kindergarten, being unruly and disobedient is treated differently in boys than girls, because it is partly how we teach boys to be masculine. A good boy stears himself , a good girl obeys the rules.
A behavior in a girl will be seen as a sign of a "psychological problem", whereas the same in a boy is seen as the sign of "strong will."

Where this becomes relevant is the findings later on, through high school and college, that girls work harder. They spend more time on homework, and drafting papers, while boys spend more time on games and leisure activities. The females are highly affected by the feedback they get from professors, positive motivating them highly, negative easily destroying their self confidence.

The females are found to be much harsher critics of themself than males. Males tend to overestimate themselves and their abilities, women tend to be either more realistic, or under estimate themselves.... so they simply put in more effort as result.

Another interesting thing I came across in looking up this subject is that many young males had the impression that they had other possibilities open to them (for making a livable salary) if they don't go to or finish college- in areas such as construction, manufactoring and travel. Whereas women don't share that optimism.

Some researchers suggested this is where the growing economic problems could be called a crisis of men- because it is in these areas specifically that there just isn't that same amount of work as there used to be!

Of course there are the added motivations we are familiar with-
More single mothers that need a better paying career.
Women not wanting to be dependant upon a man for life.

But because we watch these trends change in drastic ways over a small period of time (like going from much more men than women in the fifties, to the opposite just 30 years later), I don't think this has anything to do with biological evolution- it has to be more like behavioral evolution, cultural evolution. This isn't about being born with more or less intelligence, but rather, what you choose to do with it.

Women were just as intelligent as men before, but because they knew that did not bode well for their chances of survival and reproduction if made evident (being seen as emasculating by men),
they learned the famous "womens wiles"- subtle manipulations, how to "make a man believe it was his own idea", or to be that "great woman behind the great man", who he relies on in private for wise advice and guidance, but who puts on an act of grace, purity, neutrality, and submission in public.

The intelligent women still reproduced abundantly, often with the most powerful males, and taught their daughters how to do so as well.
Once the door opened for other options, they dropped that. We're kinda seeing the race between the tortoise and the hare now.

Originally posted by SilentKoala
Except they aren't equal. One is taller, more rational, and has a penis. One is shorter, weaker, more emotional, and has a vagina. Tell me again how they are equal?

All generalizations are false including that one, and this one too..

reply to post by Bluesma

Thank you Bluesma
for the very informative reply
where did you get the info about male and female college performance statistics?
and is it proved to be truth or just showing a statistical relevance?
I'm curious if that trend extends to high school aswell

reply to post by quietlearner


oh gosh, I had so much fun that day... I couldn't sleep and started researching at 3 AM, continued for hours, and had a few pages of links and quotes and notes... I should have put all this together more carefully and provided all my sources. I guess I got more into just digesting it all myself than being a responsible poster here!

I didn't keep my notes. I am sorry. I enthousiastically welcome others to look into refuting anything I put up here though! One of the reasons I love debating on forums is because they give me a reason to search and study stuff and learn, and I certainly wouldn't want to deprive others of that fun...

Those were results of studies I found, but it is entirely possible that other studies came up with different results, or different conclusions could have been made about the same results.... so it is worth it to look for them!