Shroud Of Turin Real? New Research Dates Relic To 1st Century, Time Of Jesus Christ

here is an article from Fox News: www.foxnews.com...

Could ancient earthquake explain Shroud of Turin?

By Megan Gannon
Published February 12, 2014
LiveScience

this report is about a die-hard Shroud is real, scientist...who goes to great lengths & extreme theories to nail his theory on...Neutron emissions from the earthquake reported upon the Jesus death drama...

we are led to understand that the crucifixion day earthquake actually happened after the eclipse & the body getting covered in the tomb...instead of the poetic account of the Roman Soldier being Awed by the eclipse & earthquake at the moment of Jesus's death on the cross.

The group of scientists, led by Alberto Carpinteri of the Politecnico di Torino in Italy, suspect high-frequency pressure waves generated in the Earth's crust during this earthquake could have produced significant neutron emissions. (They simulated this by crushing very brittle rock specimens under a press machine.)

These neutron emissions could have interacted directly with nitrogen atoms in the linen fibers, inducing chemical reactions that created the distinctive face image on the shroud, the scientists say. The reactions also could have led to "a wrong radiocarbon dating," which would explain the results of the 1989 experiments, Carpinteri said in a statement.

Giulio Fanti, a professor of mechanical engineering at Padua University, published a book last year "Il Mistero della Sindone," translated as "The Mystery of the Shroud," (Rizzoli, 2013), arguing that his own analysis proves the shroud dates to Jesus' lifetime....

i sometimes have over-the-top belief in radical theories instead of the pop culture answer.. but this neutron emission which focused energy at the Jesus tomb carved out of rock...is just a little too extreme even for me.


i would appreciate an attempt at recreating a new shroud from manufactured neutron bombardment to erase my doubt
(the ET Angel shined a blast of neutron rays at the corpse...no earthquake generated emissions left that image on the shroud of Turin, imo)



just citing new data, info on the Shroud,,,

btw, i say that Occam’s razor was tossed out from the Lab Thank you

reply to post by St Udio


That doesn't even make any sense -- Matthew says that the earthquake took place when Jesus died, still on the cross, not wrapped in a burial shroud.

reply to post by St Udio


I read extensively on this, it is not in itself a holy item to a believer like me but represents the image left at the time of christs resurrection as if by a very intense light (I have personally seen such a light in a paranorman circumstance so believe it to be at least a possabillity).
On his death bed the leading researcher of the group whom returned the middle age's date said that his team had INADVERTANTLY taken sample which were mainly made up of the fabric that Nuns had sown into the shroud to repair fire damage from the cathedral fire and so the fibres they testes were not actually the shroud fibres but from the patches that had been sown in.
Another sample of the stain's showes a chemical consistant with it being blood and the anatomical precision precluded even the ability of the greatest artists of the day, so a number of theory's were proposed such as it as a fake but made by using areal body, it was made using a camera obscurra (the chemical trace of blood would seem not to agree), it was the work of leonardo davinci.
Now as you know the holder of a relic in the middle ages was a made man, a lord could have a cathedral built around the relic and pilgrims with there money would flood into his town so he could tax more heavily.

There was a relic from constantinople that had the face of christ and a cloth folded in a frame which disappeared when crusaders turned mercenary and working for the doje of venice to pay of debt's he had tricked them into attacked and looted constantinople (the so weakened the eastern frontier that islam took over more area and was never pushed back again until it invaded europe but we lost the east.), this was because venice main trade rival was up until that moment the eastern roman empire (or what remained of it).

Now under constantine and his successor's whom had first access to the holy land and even stole from the syrian orthodox church which was not part of the nicenae conclave, many relic's real and otherwise were moved to the capital city to shore up his claim to legitimacy as the emperor of the christian empire and after the crusader's returned from this diverted and final FAILED crusade they brought many relics home that they had stolen from the former imperial capital including possibly that very image of christ in a picture frame that was supposed to be a folded up cloth which was used to wipe his face as he walked with the cross but may in fact have been the shroud as maybe only the face was easily seen by them.

It is my belief it is REAL and actually a relic of real importance but the church play's it down and religion is OUT OF FASHION along with cultural identity and social stability.


This is not the same and nothing like that but have you ever read up on the image on the cactus cloth tilma of juan diego.
www.sancta.org...
The images in the eye's are consistant with a reflection and correct to the curve of an eyeball.
www.youtube.com...
www.examiner.com...

reply to post by LABTECH767


That death bed confession by the researcher is one I've never heard of (I haven't read this whole thread, and haven't kept up on the shroud information so am maybe four years out of date), is there an article on that? Thanks.

reply to post by Aleister


Now I am quoting from memory here but as I recall it the lead researcher was terminally ill (I can't remember it is was cancer or leukemia), he mentioned in an interview shortly before he died that he believed there was a 'possability' they had gotten the wrong result's based on material which had been sown in during the middle ages after the fire in the cathedral of Turin and the C14 result was a combination so the the isotopic decay data was erronous due to this mixture of authentic and repair fibre's, The method was sound but the fibres used included those which nun's had spent great care in sowing in to repair the burned sections and maybe even cut out parts that were burned which may have entered other reliqueries (but I know of none though it would be interesting to research, likely they were worn in pendant's and have long been lost), the method of repair was extremely intricate with the nun's splicing the new fibres into the old one's and apparently copying the weave as best they could.
Sorry I can not find it on the net as there is an information overload for any search under shroud of turin, but there is this interestind discourse.
www.immanuel.at...
Now as you know the strongest non radiological argument was based on the type of weave used and a prevailing belief that the particular method had not been invented at that time, this remained academic as there were very few surviving examples of textile from anywere for the time of christ but a few years later a fragment of material found at a dig in the middle east showed a very similar but less complicated weave, now remember Joseph of Arimethea was said to be a wealthy man so the shroud he would have used would have been of the best material.
Sufficiant doubt was then cast on this argument about the fibre weave that it is now no longer tenable as an argument against the authenticity of the shroud.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Thank you. I realize I did read most of this thread when I went over it again, but the lead researcher fessing up about using a mix of old and new cloth for the carbon dating was something I don't recall reading before. I knew about the theory that that's what happened, but didn't realize the head of the research team confirmed it.

The shroud is one of those things which has the benefit of being almost non-arguable, with all the new evidence pulling its way as an early image. So the Jesus theory picks up a lot of data, which is the fun of it. I've seen tv shows and read books on the shroud since I was a kid, and each Easter this priest used to run the same program, and mixed it up a little in different years, with the information. Good stuff.

Again, thanks for the long explanation.

reply to post by Blue Shift


If? Think about it this way, if the text is accurate, He did just that in front of the Jews for 3-4 years of preaching. Seriously: dead to life (more than Him and Lazarus), withered hands whole, ect. They didn't believe.

Heck, I'm a Christian, and if God himself floated down on a cloud and insisted on sitting here trying to prove that He was God, I'd likely think that I was on MindFreak or Punked before I'd believe the God I believe in.

We're really geared towards self-conviction more than being reasonably open.

PhoenixOD
reply to post by timetothink

 

Would sure p**s off a lot of white Christians when they clone him and find out he was black, lol.

edit on 28-3-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Black or white, the blood that ran down that cross was red. That is all that matters.
Quad

Quadrivium

PhoenixOD
reply to post by timetothink

 

Would sure p**s off a lot of white Christians when they clone him and find out he was black, lol.

edit on 28-3-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Black or white, the blood that ran down that cross was red. That is all that matters.
Quad

That's truth.

Quadrivium

PhoenixOD
reply to post by timetothink

 

Would sure p**s off a lot of white Christians when they clone him and find out he was black, lol.

edit on 28-3-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Black or white, the blood that ran down that cross was red. That is all that matters.
Quad

Actually, Bible says nothing about him stood out, through appearance alone. So, he likely looked like a suicide bomber--not black or white.

CynicalDrivel

Quadrivium

PhoenixOD
reply to post by timetothink

 

Would sure p**s off a lot of white Christians when they clone him and find out he was black, lol.

edit on 28-3-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Black or white, the blood that ran down that cross was red. That is all that matters.
Quad

Actually, Bible says nothing about him stood out, through appearance alone. So, he likely looked like a suicide bomber--not black or white.

And?
His skin color makes little difference.
It's all about the blood.
Quad

adjensen
reply to post by St Udio

 

That doesn't even make any sense -- Matthew says that the earthquake took place when Jesus died, still on the cross, not wrapped in a burial shroud.

True, but could it be possible that aftershocks occurred? I'm not really familiar with the burial customs of the day. Would Jesus body have been wrapped in the shroud as soon as he was taken down from the cross? If so the earthquake theory doesn't really conflict with the events described in the gospel.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


To touch a dead body was to be unclean under moses law so they would have to go through a period of purification after and one way to not touch the dead was to wrap them as soon as possible as then you are touching the cloth.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


Here's something in-depth enough about burial sites of that era, at least.

reply to post by CynicalDrivel


Thanks for the link. Very informative. It would seem that Jesus body would have been prepared for burial and wrapped in the shroud within hours of his death, so that still seems to fall within the time frame of subsequent aftershocks from the initial earthquake that is reported to have occurred while he was still on the cross.

I don't think we can say either way at this point if the shroud is authentic or not (although I think a lot of the evidence seems to be pointing to the possibility that it is old enough to have been used during the 1st century). Still a lot of controversy surrounding it, but a fascinating mystery none the less, and who doesn't like a good mystery?

The image on the Turin Shroud is a 2-dimensional, negative image. If it had been created whilst the cloth was wrapped around the body, the image would have been distorted by the fact that the distance between two points measured along a straight line is less than the distance measured along the curved contour of a human torso. The fact that the image is completely realistic and undistorted in scale proves that it could not have been created whilst wrapped around the curved surface of a dead body. This fact alone disproves that the sheet was an actual burial shroud of someone. Instead, I believe that the image was projected by a clever forger onto a sheet of linen treated with a photo-sensitive chemical, using a camera obscura process. This was, for example, known to Leonardo da Vinci, who describes it in his notebooks. This explains both why the image is a negative and why the flattened sheet shows no sign of distortion of features, which it should have done had it been wrapped around a body. In fact, evidence for this photography is that the head is not quite to the scale it should have been and it is unnaturally high above the shoulders, consistent with the head image being projected separately on a slightly different scale.

Quadrivium

CynicalDrivel

Quadrivium

PhoenixOD
reply to post by timetothink

 

Would sure p**s off a lot of white Christians when they clone him and find out he was black, lol.

edit on 28-3-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Black or white, the blood that ran down that cross was red. That is all that matters.
Quad

Actually, Bible says nothing about him stood out, through appearance alone. So, he likely looked like a suicide bomber--not black or white.

And?
His skin color makes little difference.
It's all about the blood.
Quad

I know right. Apparently it is alcoholic and can be distilled from grapes. That is certainly some special blood.

reply to post by micpsi


A number of attempt's to use a camera obscurra as leonardo davinci may have used never produced any effect's close enough to be regarded as similar, couple this with the correct dating that has been provided proving it predate's the middle age's and is from between 200 BC and 200 AD mean that method can be safely discounted, however intense light and blood as well may both have caused this effect.

Now not at you but another quote by somebody else,

For those whom do not believe they never will, and some whom mock do so out of there own inadequacy's or guilt, how many so called Atheists claim they have a feeling of freedom when what they actually mean is it does not matter whom I scew over so long as I get what I want because I will never have to answer for anything, God SCARES them so much they do not want to believe and will go to extraordinary length's to protect themselve's even trying to convince other's so they can run off with the flock so to speak as there is strength in number's.

I just stumbled across this 20 second video and thought I would share it here. Don't wish to go off topic, just thought some here would appreciate this.

Shroud of Turin/Prince of Peace

reply to post by Krazysh0t


Hey, not all of us take it that literally. We see it as a representation, as if Christ was capable of Metaphors. lol