Marriage is NOT a Constitutional Right!

In regards to my former dialogue and posts... I'm caught up with real life at the moment and can't devote time right now to the relevant links... but the treaty of 1805 in no way negates the statements made in the prior treaty regarding the Separation of Church and state. The 1805 treaty came because of continued aggression from pirates - not from a change or correction of stated US policy.

reply to post by Theimp

Originally posted by Theimp

But see, every gay American, even if less than 5% of the population, only cares about gay marriage. On top of that, you have a large portion of the population distracted by this non issue as well. Maybe you shouldn't have to ask permission from Government to wipe your ass in America? But see, you wouldn't have to if the previous generation wasn't stuck bickering over whatever their non issue was while real things were being moved right passed them.

I can think of no greater issue than the freedoms of other Americans being infringed upon. This argument is no different in context at all from the civil rights movement - and the arguments against it are exactly the same, nearly word for word. Just take out "gay" and insert "colored" and the objections are identical.

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Polygamy should be legal.
As long as all parties are consenting adults.

Originally posted by resoe26

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by resoe26

 

You're right man.
That's why we need to bring back the multi-wife marriage.
Monday-Jessica
Tuesday-Rachel
Wednesday-Ashley
Thursday-Juanita
Friday-Shantae
Saturday-Mistress
Sunday-Mistress... after church of course.

Oh, it sounds like fun on paper...and has it's moments...but I'll recommend against a multi-woman relationship...more eggshells to walk on...

Yeah I bet you're right.
All those emotional creatures congregating amongst one another, forming alliances, forming enemies, gossip, not to mention the aligning menstrual cycles...
Yeah.. One is enough.

You are either not married or just gutsy I couldn't even think about another wife One is more than plenty

Originally posted by Theimp
There is a point. If gay marriage can be legal, why not polygamy? That would probably be the next logical step. Who here will stand up for polygamy rights?

That would be handled in the next POTUS election perhaps
POLYGAMY

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I think the OP has been banned for some reason, pity I would have loved to see them answer your post.
Best post in the htread

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by EL1A5
There can be valid arguments from both sides of the appeal, many believe it will change the foundation of our modern society just by changing the characteristics of the family unit.

Then why haven't there been any problems in the countries that already support gay marriage?

Which countries? What their demographics? Are you claiming there are no problems based on International Studies or Research performed by that particular country? It depends whose data you trust.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Technically, the next step would be to allow marriage to children. They already can marry children in other countries, just not of the same sex.

Children aren't adults and cannot give consent. Ridiculous "next step".

Thats not what many countries think as their interpretation and view of being an 'adult' is different. So why impose our viewpoints and laws on other countries including religious practices?

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Here you go:

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by hp1229

 

Here you go:en.wikipedia.org...

I guess majority of the nations must be stupid to make it illegal [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Theimp

 

Polygamy should be legal.
As long as all parties are consenting adults.

Id love to see it all taken totally out of federal hands.. Let it be state level only decision. Polygamy, gay marriage, gun laws.. you name it. That would shrink the hell out of the bloated hydra of the federal govt.. plump up state power and purse, give choice to move to states that you are more alinged with as far as law... more diverse opportunities for business.. etc. I realize the problems with this idea.. but I like it anyway!

Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Theimp

 

Polygamy should be legal.
As long as all parties are consenting adults.

Id love to see it all taken totally out of federal hands..

Let it be state level only decision. Polygamy, gay marriage, gun laws.. you name it. That would shrink the hell out of the bloated hydra of the federal govt.. plump up state power and purse, give choice to move to states that you are more alinged with as far as law... more diverse opportunities for business.. etc. I realize the problems with this idea.. but I like it anyway!

Or they could follow the idea in the game

Or as Kotaku entertainingly pointed out, “…the same sex romance will take place on a specific planet for now—Makeb—and you have to pay money to go there. Some have jokingly dubbed it ‘pay-to-gay.’”

LINK

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Theimp

 

Polygamy should be legal.
As long as all parties are consenting adults.

Id love to see it all taken totally out of federal hands..

Let it be state level only decision. Polygamy, gay marriage, gun laws.. you name it. That would shrink the hell out of the bloated hydra of the federal govt.. plump up state power and purse, give choice to move to states that you are more alinged with as far as law... more diverse opportunities for business.. etc. I realize the problems with this idea.. but I like it anyway!

Or they could follow the idea in the game

Or as Kotaku entertainingly pointed out, “…the same sex romance will take place on a specific planet for now—Makeb—and you have to pay money to go there. Some have jokingly dubbed it ‘pay-to-gay.’”

LINK

Im too darn old to base my griping and hollering for state rights trumping federal BS on Star Wars games....

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I agree theoretically... the problem is that if special privileges and legal protections are ONLY granted to heterosexual married couples than it can't be left in the hands of the States. I'm all for smaller less intrusive government as well but the States have a dismal record on equal access. Same privileges and protections for all or none for any.

reply to post by EL1A5

Ever since the end of World War II, the family unit has been changing in dynamic ways that most would find astonishing. If you go back 2 or three generations the family unit has changed.

If you go back to say the founding of the country, the family was one unit, where the entire family would work from sun up to sun down, 6 days a week.

Advance forward to the start of the industrial revolution and the family changed again. Modern inovations along, making it easier for the jobs to be done, along with where people had more free time.

Go forward and more innovations and ultimately, the family unit was starting to fracture. At one point, and time, when say the family moved from one point to the next, it was all of the extended family that did move. Fathers, mothers, childern, their spouses, and settled in one town.

Go forward to say World War I, and you start to see where family units broke up, brothers and children moved away from their families, distances grew greater and greater.

Go forward to World War II, and you will see where the family dynamic broke up again, the mother went to work and continued to work, even after the husbands came home. And that has continued to this day, where both parents are out of the household.

If you look, most children, Gen X, would identify their family, not by the father/mother/sister/brother, but by the people they communicate with, or rather telecommunicate with, text and email.

So the characteristics of the family unit are moving and alterting all of the time, expanding outwards.

Since the 1960's there has been the rise of the divorce rates, that has been steady and single parent families that continue to grow, where one parent is lacking in the family itself.

So the question is what is a normal family unit these days?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Technically, the next step would be to allow marriage to children. They already can marry children in other countries, just not of the same sex.

Yes, it is ridiculous, but I think NAMBLA would disagree....

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Advantage

 

I agree theoretically... the problem is that if special privileges and legal protections are ONLY granted to heterosexual married couples than it can't be left in the hands of the States. I'm all for smaller less intrusive government as well but the States have a dismal record on equal access. Same privileges and protections for all or none for any.

edit on 27-3-2013 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)

Same sex marriage is legal in 9 states. Id say thats a damn good record considering that not so long ago ( in my lifetime) being gay was so taboo it wasnt spoken of in mixed company and was diagnosed as a medical/mental problem... and Im not ancient The probem is that the federal govt trumps state law/decisions. We have to fit our state laws to agree with ( what I believe are) wholly corrupt entities like the IRS.. in order to be in compliance with federal law concerning federal taxes, etc within marriage contracts. Same sex couples would do well to know that once they get the right to get a "marriage license" by the state that they reside in, they invite the state and federal government to freely intrude in their lives, relationship and futures. The government got a foothold in marriage... which is actually a personal or religious thing. Then they defined it.. and then meddled in it.. then made it theirs to give or deny by requiring laws, licenses, IRS filings, taxes, healthcare, etc... all concerning your money. Now theyre trying to fit a square peg in a round hole... and look open minded and fair. Homos,heteros. plygs, etc should be required to ask NO ONE permission to LEGITIMATELY cohabitate and enter into a contract when they are consenting adults.

In AdvantageLand anyway..

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

that most fundies lack an understanding of the term "consent".

Perhaps so do members of NAMBLA.

It had to be said. Sorry.

Can always count on the same ignorant rebuttals..."blah blah blah BESTIALITY!" "Blah blah blah pedophilia!" "blah blah blah christianity!"....

It had to be said? Seriously? An ignorant comparison like that HAD TO BE SAID?

reply to post by SamaraTen

Originally posted by SamaraTen
so, what does marriage (gay or straight) have to do with the 14th Amendment?

I don't know if this was answered or not, and I see the OP is not in attendance, but here's my input.

This part of the 14th amendment is relevant:

... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The laws should be applied equally to ALL citizens. Marriage is a legal contract. It's really very simple.

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I totally agree with your principle and premise there. Sadly it's way too late to close those floodgates, that is unless 'traditionally' married couples want to chuck out what the government gives them for their relationship status, which you and I both know that pigs will fly out of someone's bum before that happens.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Advantage

 

I totally agree with your principle and premise there. Sadly it's way too late to close those floodgates, that is unless 'traditionally' married couples want to chuck out what the government gives them for their relationship status, which you and I both know that pigs will fly out of someone's bum before that happens.

I hear you.. so now we're chasing the cows. LOL! Im hoping that the idea of more revenue at least compels the feds/courts/states to do the right thing concerning the rights of ALL... but I guess we will see. More money usually makes them salivate.. so same sex marriage has a good chance.. even if not for the right reasons!