Soon, it'll be a hate crime NOT to advocate gay marriage.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for the gays,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't gay.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


Really? I quote from your OT

" I don't believe its natural. There's something about it that I don't like"
and
"I don't "agree" with the lifestyle"

Not natural...is love natural?
Now what lifestyle are you talking about? Homosexual couples have the same life style as a hetro couple, yeah the nightlife is different but it is not worse than a hetro nightlife.

Originally posted by kthxbai

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for the gays,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't gay.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

edit on 24-3-2013 by kthxbai because: (no reason given)

That's poetic, but...

What's your point?

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

No he has a point why did the OP make this thread at all If she isn't bothered about it? she says enough in the OT to say that it does bother her and so contradicts herself by just authoring the thread.

Well obviously its something that she has been thinking about, whats the big deal? I couldn't give a rats ring yet I am still here posting because I see what the OP is talking about.

I agree If it doesn't bother people why even get involved? the OP got herself involved by writing this thread..her fault she has to deal with the replies.

So people aren't allow to put their opinion out and chat about something that they may be thinking about? ive me a break. The OP is not homophobic and you homosexual extremists need to chill out.

reply to post by DarknStormy


OK the OP is not homophobic but reading the OT she comes off as a homophobe, Iam not a homosexual fundamentalist as you say but I read it and thought "yup homophobe".
Maybe the OP should think a little before writing this? and maybe write the OT better to get her point across.
Anyhow this thread is going nowhere fast cya.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Really? I quote from your OT

" I don't believe its natural. There's something about it that I don't like"
and
"I don't "agree" with the lifestyle"

Not natural...is love natural?
Now what lifestyle are you talking about? Homosexual couples have the same life style as a hetro couple, yeah the nightlife is different but it is not worse than a hetro nightlife.

They really don't have the same life. Do you know any gay people?

I don't believe its natural, because homosexual intimacy doesn't reproduce babies. It isn't scientifically designed to happen.

I do believe some people's genetics are fubar'ed enough to gear them to be sexually attracted to the same sex, but genetics and flukes in the creation of people is common. Autism, psychosis, multiple personality disorder, physical birth defects... sadly, not all people are born the way they ought to be.

That doesn't mean I have a problem with the people themselves. Most of the gay people I know are some of the nicest people I've ever met.

I was simply expressing my logical opinion regarding the gay lifestyle.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

OK the OP is not homophobic but reading the OT she comes off as a homophobe, Iam not a homosexual fundamentalist as you say but I read it and thought "yup homophobe".
Maybe the OP should think a little before writing this? and maybe write the OT better to get her point across.
Anyhow this thread is going nowhere fast cya.

edit on 24-3-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

I was more disturbed by some of the responses because it was an all out attack on the OP for no reason.. There is no homophobia and some of you jumped on it like it was a hate crime, ffs..

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


Yup I know plenty and have gay uncles that's why I know the gay lifestyle is pretty much the same as a hetro couple. It isn't all feather boas and rainbows you know.
If you are only putting having kids in the mix for being a different lifestyle you have to include many other people who do not want kids etc.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


So people ought to be born a certain way? And when did you become the arbiter of that? And when was sex ever a "scientifically" designed thing? Gay behavior occurs enough in other mammals as well so I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it "unnatural". Furthermore, you are engaging in a fallacy by bringing up "natural" to begin with. Animals kill and eat their own young, but yet we see that as morally wrong even if it's perfectly natural. Natural does not equate to right. Any good scientist would tell you that.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Yup I know plenty and have gay uncles that's why I know the gay lifestyle is pretty much the same as a hetro couple. It isn't all feather boas and rainbows you know.
If you are only putting having kids in the mix for being a different lifestyle you have to include many other people who do not want kids etc.

Yeah, but... that really has nothing to do with my point.

And, to answer your question before... is love natural?

Sure. But love and physical attraction aren't always one in the same.

You can love someone without being their "lover." You'd be surprised how close two friends can be without dating or fooling around, speaking from experience.

If someone is genetically fluked and attracted to the same sex, is doesn't totally mean they love someone of the same sex. It means their body has a lust for the people of their sex.

If you have strong morals regarding the perversion of the modern world, and you tend to over think things like I do, you have strong feelings about these topics. I'm not gonna be sorry for that either. It's just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Yup I know plenty and have gay uncles that's why I know the gay lifestyle is pretty much the same as a hetro couple. It isn't all feather boas and rainbows you know.
If you are only putting having kids in the mix for being a different lifestyle you have to include many other people who do not want kids etc.

My own gay uncle says that "homosexuality is God's way of ensuring the truly gifted aren't burdened with children"

... anyway, I would have no problem with my child coming to me and saying they were gay. As long as they don't wear their pants around their knees or dress like some little demonic goth mongrel, I have no problem with it. I don't get how people can condemn "love" yet embrace "hate", makes no sense

duplicate post

Homophobia encompasses a lot more than just raising one's eyebrow at the concept of unconventional sexual attraction. Labeling the OP's post with such a serious accusation would be like dipping your fingers into a cup of lukewarm water that has the word 'boiling' on the side and then shouting, "The pain is worse than I imagined!"

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

So people ought to be born a certain way? And when did you become the arbiter of that? And when was sex ever a "scientifically" designed thing? Gay behavior occurs enough in other mammals as well so I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it "unnatural". Furthermore, you are engaging in a fallacy by bringing up "natural" to begin with. Animals kill and eat their own young, but yet we see that as morally wrong even if it's perfectly natural. Natural does not equate to right. Any good scientist would tell you that.

edit on 24-3-2013 by antonia because: opps

Gay sex cannot produce babies.

Hetero sex can.

Is it such a crazy assumption to think that the productive of the two is the natural one? Seriously.

Sex isn't a scientifically designed thing? Are you serious?

People are designed to breed with the opposite sex. The only reason we mate at all is to produce young.

Its very simple, basic science.

Didn't I already say that many people (animals included) are born with flukes? Some animals will be attracted to the same sex, if they have those tweaked genetics. Same with people. That doesn't make it natural. It's merely a side effect of breeding... sometimes a person is born with "off" genetics.

That isn't my opinion or judgement. That's just a fact.

If I made a thread with the first line.


I have nothing against Blacks.first and foremost

BUT.....

Can you see op why your thread comes off as homophobic?

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX


Gay sex cannot produce babies.

Hetero sex can.

No, hetero sex cannot produce children in all instances as the very large and lucrative infertility market should prove.

Is it such a crazy assumption to think that the productive of the two is the natural one? Seriously.

Sex isn't a scientifically designed thing? Are you serious?

People are designed to breed with the opposite sex. The only reason we mate at all is to produce young.

This is not true. People mate for many reasons and most of them are not to have children. If sex was solely for reproduction then humans wouldn't have created birth control.

Its very simple, basic science.

No, you obviously don't know much about it at all. Even a cursory glance at wikipedia would tell you sex has more functions than simply reproduction. In fact, it has more psychological functions than biological ones.

That doesn't make it natural. It's merely a side effect of breeding... sometimes a person is born with "off" genetics.

Last I checked, genetics are perfectly natural. There is no "off" gene. It is only "unnatural" because you don't like it. The word you are looking for is "maladaptive", but it's perfectly natural.

That isn't my opinion or judgement. That's just a fact.

If you call things you make up facts then I guess it would have been one.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

And, to answer your question before... is love natural?

Sure. But love and physical attraction aren't always one in the same.

It seems to me that the world has a general misconception about sexual desire. Romantic love isn't seen as complete without it, and the deepest and most potent of all love types is considered to be of the romantic sort.

Asexuals, they of the rarest sexual orientation, know these distinctions well. One may describe herself as being a romantic asexual, which is someone without sexual attraction but with romantic attraction intact.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


They will never get the point you're trying to make.

You are so right that just because we don't agree does not imply we are hating. If we beat them up or call them names it is. Its commonplace to start off with the I have nothing against gays disclaimer because we know we are about to say something that will be misunderstood and twisted into an anti- gay comment. If we don't agree we don't agree, simple as that.

It feels as if we are being coerced into accepting and keeping our lips sealed. Lets all act like we're into gay marriage. To use one of their lines, is that really being true to ourselves?

Also OP nothing on this planet which has been born is unnatural, everything we do is natural, homosexuality is part of the human condition and just because they are in the minority it doesn't mean it is wrong nor unnatural.
You have been conditioned to think it is unnatural because you are not gay and have had people tell you it is unnatural.
Doesn't mean it is.