Soon, it'll be a hate crime NOT to advocate gay marriage.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

Everyone is confusing my personal beliefs with the purpose of my rant. I am not ranting against gay marriage in itself. I'm ranting against the ignorance surrounding it, and how my personal beliefs often offend the people around me who ASK me for my opinions. If I don't full-on promote it, then I am a gay basher. In fact, it seems as though there are some people here on ATS taking it too personally as well.

I'm sorry, but you need to be a bit more clear. I don't think anyone is expecting you to engage in gay sex or be comfortable watching it to be "tolerant". I don't like eating meat, but I'm not going to hate people for it or insist they not eat it.

That's the rub in the end, I don't think anyone is insisting you get gay married or even be comfortable with it. People are just asking to be able to live their lives in the way they choose. As it's not hurting anyone...who cares? There are sexual fetishes I am not comfortable with and certainly wouldn't engage in, but I don't believe in banning them because of my feelings. They are not hurting anyone so it's not my business. I don't engage in gay sex and frankly, I wouldn't watch it either, but I'm not going to try to stop it. No one is asking you to like it, they are just asking you to leave them alone to live their lives.

As for the ones that do demand you "like" it...Well they are just being jerks. That's to be expected of anyone in our world. Do you know how many people have threatened me with extreme physical violence because I don't like Maria Callas' singing? What a trivial thing, but in the end it's important to someone. You will find certain people wrap their identity up in their sexual preferences, cultural consumption, choice of clothing, political ideology, etc. and will take great offense to you not "liking" it. They take it as a rejection of their person. You can't win with people like that and you shouldn't take it as a statement on an entire segment of the population.

As for those talking about not being liked at the gay bar...there are some reasons for that. It would be like a preppy going to goth night. Yes, one should accept them and treat them with respect but, at the same time you need to be aware of the fact these are people who have always been put down for being different. The place you are in is their safe haven, some people will never be comfortable with you because of that. I've never had that problem, but then I've also had a similar experience in my life of being but down and berated for things I really couldn't help (being ugly mainly) so I guess I'm a bit more sensitive to their mindset.

i used to live in manchester for a few years in my 20's, and it has a "gay village" with a whole host of clubs and bars etc, as well as a yearly mardi-gras - i used to go raving throughout my teens and twenties too which had a fair sized gay/lesbian w/e element too and i went to a lot of supposed gay club nights around the north of england - what i found there was that what straight folk who were outsiders to the scene called gay clubs/bars etc, most of those who went to such places actually called them "mixed", which says a lot really.

gotta say though, it was kinda strange one time seeing blokes in dresses and make up having a full on brawl over some other guy - it's a real eye opener

reply to post by skalla


Coming from Manchester I know canal street very well.
I used to work in a casino in china town and unknown to me being a croupier is a gay job, I was the only hetro guy working in the place so I went on many nights out down canal street, I loved it I never failed to pull because girls used to go to the gay bars cos they thought they wouldn't get guys hitting on them.
But after a few beers the girls would look for straight guys in the gay bars/clubs and on many occasions I was the only straight male in the place
Oh and I fell in love with one girl until I noticed the bulge down her skirt Most amazing looking person ever and I do not mind saying it

reply to post by boymonkey74


Hehe, a lot of the Queens look better in a dress than many of the of women I know. It's easy to get fooled.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


You had some balls writing what you did and I respect that... The other thing is, I agree with you. I love how all the people who come to the homosexuals defence cannot accept an honest, respectful post that wasn't meant to offend anyone. Homosexuals can do what they want, say what they want, feel how they want.. I will not support them however because its not my fight. I will not be forced to agree with it either. Thats my freedom and if people don't like it then bad luck. Is that a hate crime? No way..

first time i walked down canal street (the road signs typically had the "c" crossed out) was at the dead of night - i saw one guy pushing another against a wall and thought i had walked across a mugging until i spyed a rather active hand down the jeans of the suspected assailant!

also, the brawling dudes i mentioned, one of them was wearing a particularly fetching pink skirt that revealed the entirety of his buttocks, which to be fair weren't half bad.

i had tremendous fun when ever i went to such places, and i worked with about 50/50 gay/straight when i lived there, vive la difference

i actually have not meant to take this thread off the op too far with my reminiscences, what i've been getting at in a round about way is that "non conventional" ways of life can be a shock at first, but when you start to actually encounter them in your own life, you get used to it quickly... the shock/surprise element goes pretty quickly and usually people end up realising that it's just human life..
i mean, who gives a flying F who someone else fancies, how they dress, what colour they are, how they dance, what language they speak etc etc - life's too short and whats the point?

reply to post by skalla


I have found most of the "unconventional" lifestyles really aren't that different from "normal" ones. When you get over appearances and get down to the heart of the person you find you are just talking to another human being. I tend to think i'm rather unattractive and dull, but one of my greatest friends sported huge gauges and a 3 foot deathhawk. You'd think we had nothing in common, but we did. We both loved to read, listen to opera and jazz. We loved eating too much and we had a thing for blonde country boys.

When you focus on what is wrong you miss the chance to see all the things that are right.

reply to post by Glass

It's quite obvious that you do have something against gays. You contradict yourself immediately by saying you don't like the lifestyle and that it's not natural. If you had no problem with us, why would you feel the need to express this opinion?

Because I personally don't agree with and practice the lifestyle doesn't mean I have a "problem" with them. I have a problem with people (like you) who assume I'm gay bashing.

I have a problem with people like you, heterosexist loudmouths who begin every sentence with "now I got nothin against gay people, but..."

Did I hit a nerve?

I think your opinions are obnoxious and unnecessary.

Tough.

If you've got nothing against gay people, fantastic, talk to me about something you like or something that interests you, hell you could even complain about issues that actually affect you, but please just stop airing these worthless, annoying and mildly offensive opinions wherever you go.

The thread has nothing to do with gays themselves. It has to DO with people taking my entirely neutral beliefs as an attack on gays... like you are. THAT issue DOES affect me. Quite often.

Opinions are usually ofensive in some way or another. Doesn't matter whose they are. Get used to that.

It wouldn't be socially acceptable if I were to go around spouting off that mentally handicapped people make me kind of uncomfortable (and TBH they kinda do) or worse, call them unnatural, but it should be okay to say these things about gays?

Depends on the context, or if you're holding a conversation about that topic. Or... if you happen to be posting in a RANT forum.

And it wouldn't be socially acceptable if I were to go around spouting off that black people make me kind of uncomfortable (and sometimes TBH they do) or worse, call them inhuman, but it should be okay to say these things about gays?

Inhuman? What?

Now that I've vented my frustration I should point out that I don't really care whether people hate gays or oppose gay marriage

After all the hateful crap you just spewed? Lol. And I'M contradicting.

I just think you should mind your own business and be polite and respectful.

If someone is verbally attacking me because I don't go out of my way to promote gay rights, then yes, it is my business.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

You had some balls writing what you did and I respect that... The other thing is, I agree with you. I love how all the people who come to the homosexuals defence cannot accept an honest, respectful post that wasn't meant to offend anyone. Homosexuals can do what they want, say what they want, feel how they want.. I will not support them however because its not my fight. I will not be forced to agree with it either. Thats my freedom and if people don't like it then bad luck. Is that a hate crime? No way..

That first line is really saying something... considering I'm a girl.

Thank ya.


Let me just point out again--the thread has NOTHING to do with gays themselves, just the ignorant MORONS who think that indifference is the same thing as hate.

Can't you see the manufactured division, literally dividing and conquering all of us through gay rights/gun control/battles of the sexes/racism/nationalism and zillions of other types of useless conflicts between politics, countries, and religions?

Jesus, just take it for what it is. A logical opinion.

reply to post by Glass


No-one has anything against gays from what I have seen and you are just taking things out of context. Though its your choice how you live your life, it doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Doesn't mean people want to ban homosexuality or persecute you, I'm straight and I couldn't give a toss about what you's are fighting for.. Does that mean I hate you, No.

The ultimate hypocrite is someone who starts a "rant" concerning homosexuality and tries to say they aren't homophobic. If there was no homophobia there, there would have been no need for the rant regardless of the situation.

All I see is someone wanting attention and using a "hot topic" issue to try to get it.

Originally posted by kthxbai
The ultimate hypocrite is someone who starts a "rant" concerning homosexuality and tries to say they aren't homophobic. If there was no homophobia there, there would have been no need for the rant regardless of the situation.

All I see is someone wanting attention and using a "hot topic" issue to try to get it.

If people wanted to trash homosexuals they could be worse than what the OP says. You homosexual fundamentalists need to back up because while you want tolerance and equality, you are being pig headed and ignorant.

Originally posted by skalla
i actually have not meant to take this thread off the op too far with my reminiscences, what i've been getting at in a round about way is that "non conventional" ways of life can be a shock at first, but when you start to actually encounter them in your own life, you get used to it quickly... the shock/surprise element goes pretty quickly and usually people end up realising that it's just human life..
i mean, who gives a flying F who someone else fancies, how they dress, what colour they are, how they dance, what language they speak etc etc - life's too short and whats the point?

edit on 24-3-2013 by skalla because: frakking typos arrrrrgh

Amen brother!

If a guy looks good in a dress, I'm gonna look and I'm not afraid to admit that

Just because you admire the way someone looks doesn't mean you want to have hot wild sex with them, it means you appreciate the hard work that went into looking that way.

Do the other posters here want to have sex with every single person who catches their eye? I certainly don't, but I still like looking.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
reply to post by Glass

 

Because I personally don't agree with and practice the lifestyle doesn't mean I have a "problem" with them. I have a problem with people (like you) who assume I'm gay bashing.

You started a thread concerning homosexuality in the rant forum so yes, you are gay bashing. That's one of the qualifications for bashing ya know.

reply to post by DarknStormy


No he has a point why did the OP make this thread at all If she isn't bothered about it? she says enough in the OT to say that it does bother her and so contradicts herself by just authoring the thread.
I agree If it doesn't bother people why even get involved? the OP got herself involved by writing this thread..her fault she has to deal with the replies.

Originally posted by kthxbai
The ultimate hypocrite is someone who starts a "rant" concerning homosexuality and tries to say they aren't homophobic. If there was no homophobia there, there would have been no need for the rant regardless of the situation.

All I see is someone wanting attention and using a "hot topic" issue to try to get it.

God, you're really letting everything I respond with bounce off your head.

Once again;

The thread is about ignorant people claiming that indifference and, essentially not outright promoting gay rights, is the same thing as gay bashing, or, as you say, homophobia.

The purpose of the rant IS the people protecting gay rights against attacks that I have NOT made.

You started a thread concerning homosexuality in the rant forum so yes, you are gay bashing. That's one of the qualifications for bashing ya know.

Gay bashing would be calling names and outright insulting gays, neither of which I've done.

The thread concerns people assuming I am bashing, after I tell them I don't go along with their life style. My beliefs are insulting? Well, tough.

If they have a right to be gay, I have a right to be straight.

Gay people don't have any more right to speak freely and promote their beliefs than I do.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

No he has a point why did the OP make this thread at all If she isn't bothered about it? she says enough in the OT to say that it does bother her and so contradicts herself by just authoring the thread.
I agree If it doesn't bother people why even get involved? the OP got herself involved by writing this thread..her fault she has to deal with the replies.

People being gay does not bother me. I PERSONALLY don't want to be gay, and no, I will not promote something that I don't represent.

You're telling me that's contradicting?

Or perhaps you mean that me being offended by people wrongly assuming I'm gay bashing is contradicting?

Either way, you're wrong.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

God, you're really letting everything I respond with bounce off your head.

Nope, just seeing through the facade that's being put up