Penn and Teller lies about Autism to cover big pharma

Originally posted by gr9g9997
penn and teller are paid by the nwo croonies.

For sure, here's the true story as to why we're being inoculated with disease

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Rubinstein


are you trying to destroy your own credibility? first you assume that "rainman" provides a template for the categorisation of autistic people (they are as diverse as the rest of us - just how many autistic people do you actually know?) and now you trot out that laughable load of bunk

reply to post by VictorVonDoom

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of great medicine out there. But if pharmaceutical companies need Congress to pass a law giving them immunity from lawsuits over their vaccines, what does that tell you about their confidence in their own product?

The logic behind it was that vaccines were absolutely necessary to protect public health, but the cost of compensation to the handful of genuine vaccine injury cases would have made it financially non viable for the companies to produce the vaccine. They've always acknowledged the side effects. If they weren't protected from the lawsuits, they told the world govts they could produce it themselves.

reply to post by maddog3n8

Wait....you are kidding me right? So by that logic, there are 20% or 1 in 5 or it would 33% if we include the first doctor who was reportedly disgraced, of doctors who feel that this is ok? So we should just ignore those people? You did read the comment from pedosource.com and the reason why I chose that site was if you do searches there it will open your eyes to how doctors make decisions based on business decisions and not health risk. I would ask that you debunk the University of Calgary's study and thus that the video was tampered with, in that mercury at a very microscopic level kills neurons; you can refute the MSDS sheets, written by the manufactures of the product stating these are the dangers of this substance; you can show were the FDA and CDC's own documents stating thimerosal and aluminum based ingredients are not in vaccines are wrong; you can say the mercury and aluminum are not bio-accumilating; and that a reasonable person would not conclude from that evidence that the vaccines are dangerous. Surely, you can debunk all this and the other evidence that I presented instead of looking at ANOVA! How about bringing evidence that refutes anything that I said was not true.

First... paragraphs make text a lot easier to read.

Second, I don't just read one side of the argument, as you've obviously done. My main focus has been on reading the research on what actually causes autism, and it just doesn't leave any room for vaccines as a cause. The fact is there hasn't been any increase in autism since the pre vaccine era, so how can vaccines be the cause? I dug up eighteen different studies that support no increase in autism, and only one Californian one that went the other way.

In fact, the last research showed the rate of autism diagnosis increasing as exposure to thimerasol decreased.

I've done more research that you bothered to. I read the data from both sides of the debate and the doctors who are just researching the causes of autism. There's just not any case for vaccines causing autism. The brain differences in autistic children are present at birth.

I see you aren't quibbling with the well known death rates from measles etc

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reply to post by Rubinstein

Measles only causes problems in the malnourished, if they get Vitamin A they are safe. Measles in not a problem in the well-fed first world.

MEASLES KILLS ABOUT 1/300 HEALTHY WELL NOURISHED CHILDREN WITH ACCESS TO THE BEST WESTERN HEALTHCARE

It is not some harmless illness like a cold. The misinformation you are spreading about will KILL someone.

Look up the measles outbreaks in the Netherlands. They were religious communities that had zero vaccinations and access to the best health care around.

CHILDREN DIED

reply to post by Antigod


looks like he ran away to start another thread, this seems a pattern when opposition gets too difficult to deal with.

you'll find the new one easy enough - i would link but do not want to appear a gangstalker or whatever.

Measles does not kill well nourished children, that's just propaganda, fear-mongering and lies.

Measles causes problems in malnourished people in the third world, that is why the WHO send them Vitamin A supplements. Unfortunately vaccines are also a danger to the malnourished, meaning they are not an option.

Children Die from Cot Death, there is no cot death without vaccines. When Japan stopped vaccinating the under-2's Cot Death disappeared.

Originally posted by Antigod

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reply to post by Rubinstein

 

Measles only causes problems in the malnourished, if they get Vitamin A they are safe. Measles in not a problem in the well-fed first world.

It is not some harmless illness like a cold. The misinformation you are spreading about will KILL someone.

Look up the measles outbreaks in the Netherlands. They were religious communities that had zero vaccinations and access to the best health care around.

Originally posted by Antigod

In fact, the last research showed the rate of autism diagnosis increasing as exposure to thimerasol decreased.

Correlation does not equal causation

Have you got a link to back this up, please don't use the Danish study which has been proven to be a fraud

The 'Rainman' would have been born that way, he's not vaccine damaged, otherwise he wouldn't be so smart.

Regressive Autism is what happens in healthy children after their MMR or DPT vaccine, these are children who could speak, then lose the ability after their vaccination.

It's clear why Pharma needed illusionists to deal with this one, as the real science shows that vaccines cause Autism

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

are you trying to destroy your own credibility? first you assume that "rainman" provides a template for the categorisation of autistic people (they are as diverse as the rest of us - just how many autistic people do you actually know?) and now you trot out that laughable load of bunk

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reply to post by Rubinstein


ok, you know nothing of autism.

thanks for the response and for clearing that up, both re autism and your credibility

You say that I don't know about Autism, yet you think that there's only one type of Autism. Why are you refusing to educate yourself on Autism? Do you have an agenda?

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

ok, you know nothing of autism.

thanks for the response and for clearing that up, both re autism and your credibility

Originally posted by Baxta54
Perhaps you should learn to base decisions about your children's health on scientific evidence,
instead if stuff that you've read on conspiracy forums...

And actors and actesses like Pam Anderson.

Originally posted by Rubinstein

Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

i agree, i wasn't disputing that. i found it odd that a doctor said he wouldn't give his own kids this flu vaccine, and i'm wondering why? he says this vaccine should be taken, but, not for his own kids.

Yes, doctors don't want the vaccines themselves, most know the reality, but if they stop vaccinating their patients and giving out pro-vaccine advice, that's the end of their highly paid career.

I'm friends with a number of GP's in my area, and not one of them will vaccinate their own children, but they get very uncomfortable when you raise the topic and quickly try to change the conversation.

LOL. I know this is a conspiracy site, but c'mon. Drs will not lose thier careers if they do not vaccinate. THey do not get kickbacks from giving vaccines (illegal to get kickbacks from pharma companies BTW). Doctors can and do presecribe or not prescribe various medications based on their education and the literature and recommendations from professional societies. They can use medications off label and they can choose to suggest alternative medications and nutrition as they see fit.

reply to post by Rubinstein


as stated earlier i have a profession background in working with autism and a wealth of experience providing therapies as well as having lived with autistic people and done numerous and diverse activities in that arena. i have a long long client list of autistic people and find your statements about them most "enlightening".

you clearly have an agenda regards vaccines, thats fine. my agenda at present is dealing with your bull staements about a group of people of whom you clearly have no knowledge or experience due to your evasion over my questions on said experience and knowledge.

If you work with Autism that does not mean you know what causes it. Whereas, if we look a the former UK science chief, Dr Peter Fletcher, who has access thousands of Autism/MMR documents which have never been made public, let's see what he says...

Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history".

he had received and studied thousands of documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a right to see

He said he has seen a "steady accumulation of evidence" from scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children. But he added: "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children," he said. "There's no one conclusive piece of scientific evidence, no 'smoking gun', because there very rarely is when adverse drug reactions are first suspected. When vaccine damage in very young children is involved, it is harder to prove the links. "But it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

I know who I put my trust in, and no offence but I'm trusting Dr Peter Fletcher over a guy I don't know on a conspiracy site who claims to work with Autistics.

Former science chief: 'MMR fears coming true'

Also, my sisters father-in-law is one of the UK experts on allergies and autoimmune disorders, he lives in a mansion like the ones that sports stars live in. He warned my sister to avoid vaccinating her 1 year old son with the MMR vaccine.

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

as stated earlier i have a profession background in working with autism and a wealth of experience providing therapies as well as having lived with autistic people and done numerous and diverse activities in that arena. i have a long long client list of autistic people and find your statements about them most "enlightening".

you clearly have an agenda regards vaccines, thats fine. my agenda at present is dealing with your bull staements about a group of people of whom you clearly have no knowledge or experience due to your evasion over my questions on said experience and knowledge.

Everything I've said is easily verifiable, do some searches in Google.

Doctors make a good amount of money per jab, if you don't believe this do a Google for how much they got paid per Swine Flu jab, that's all over the news sites. Some of the papers are available online, explaining in detail how much they get paid per vaccine. There are then bonuses for getting a child the full vaccine schedule. There are all kinds of incentives used, this is not a conspiracy it's known fact, all is easily verifiable. In the UK they a doctors surgery gets bonuses based on reaching a specific percentage of vaccine uptake in the area.

Do you really believe that a doctor could sit there and tell their patients "I don't believe in vaccines, we don't give them here", it wouldn't be long until the doctor was struck off. The only way a doctor could possibly get away with it would be to avoid putting the vaccine through the skin properly, which does happen, the practice occured a lot in France during the Swine Flu scandel.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

LOL. I know this is a conspiracy site, but c'mon. Drs will not lose thier careers if they do not vaccinate. THey do not get kickbacks from giving vaccines (illegal to get kickbacks from pharma companies BTW). Doctors can and do presecribe or not prescribe various medications based on their education and the literature and recommendations from professional societies. They can use medications off label and they can choose to suggest alternative medications and nutrition as they see fit.

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Originally posted by Rubinstein
Everything I've said is easily verifiable, do some searches in Google.

Doctors make a good amount of money per jab, if you don't believe this do a Google for how much they got paid per Swine Flu jab, that's all over the news sites. Some of the papers are available online, explaining in detail how much they get paid per vaccine. There are then bonuses for getting a child the full vaccine schedule. There are all kinds of incentives used, this is not a conspiracy it's known fact, all is easily verifiable. In the UK they a doctors surgery gets bonuses based on reaching a specific percentage of vaccine uptake in the area.

Do you really believe that a doctor could sit there and tell their patients "I don't believe in vaccines, we don't give them here", it wouldn't be long until the doctor was struck off. The only way a doctor could possibly get away with it would be to avoid putting the vaccine through the skin properly, which does happen, the practice occured a lot in France during the Swine Flu scandel.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

LOL. I know this is a conspiracy site, but c'mon. Drs will not lose thier careers if they do not vaccinate. THey do not get kickbacks from giving vaccines (illegal to get kickbacks from pharma companies BTW). Doctors can and do presecribe or not prescribe various medications based on their education and the literature and recommendations from professional societies. They can use medications off label and they can choose to suggest alternative medications and nutrition as they see fit.

edit on 26-3-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

LOL. I told a patient yesterday that I don't do vaccines. Guess what, my license is still intact--but don't let yet another person who actually is in medicine delude your paranoid fantasies.

reply to post by texasyeti
So who do they think they are now the last time I checked they were nothing more than magicians?When did they become experts in medicine?Why are they speaking about medical issues?Why would anyone believe a couple of magicians?
Is this a joke?
The main stream news outlets can't get real medical proffessionals to speak on this issue?So they use entertainers to give medical advice?
unbelievable...

Originally posted by NavyDoc

LOL. I told a patient yesterday that I don't do vaccines. Guess what, my license is still intact--but don't let yet another person who actually is in medicine delude your paranoid fantasies.

First you said that doctors don't get paid per vaccine and that it would be illegal to do so, despite the fact that it's easily verifiable that they are being paid per vaccine and it's not illegal.

After not knowing that, you're expecting me to believe that you're a doctor? If you were a doctor you would have known about the money involved.

If you were a doctor not vaccinating you'd be struck off as soon as your seniors got wind of it. I'm calling you out as a liar, as your story does not add up.

reply to post by Rubinstein


More evasion and still most telling. I have actually not debated the causes with you - perhaps you would have realised this and not been so confused if you were not on multuple threads on the same matter. You like to accue others of having an agenda yet you are campaigning here rather than seeking to increase your understanding. I came to this thread to increase my understanding related to a subject I have direct involvement in, yet I stayed due to your ridiculous horsedung.
So again, to back up your statements regarding autistic people, please outline your experience of them