There will be cameras everywhere....whether you like it or not

Originally posted by MarsSentinel
If you put your phone in a small tin box - SAFE!

If I put my phone in my kitchen it loses signal, much less a tin box

Originally posted by daryllyn
They should probably just put cameras in our living rooms. You know, for safety and security.

Flag for you for the quote; one of my favorites.

They already have,
With existing software THEY can turn on your webcam or smartphone cam & microphones.

PEACE,
RK

The way technology is going, yes, surveillance of everyone and everywhere becomes possible. I read an article about police putting gps trackers on people's cars. The police argued that there is no right to privacy in public. Well, your house is right smack in the middle of public. Is there no right to privacy there? And our children run around the house naked, sometimes. Cameras in the toaster, cameras in the refrigerator, cameras in toilet. Cameras everywhere. And of course, many police try to say that filming them is illegal. Even if it's not. So, if a police car is on a public road, it is going to happen that people will put gps tracking on the cop cars, and internet sites will follow the police and have tracking. And so the police will become secret and no longer operate from marked vehicles totally, and we will no longer have a force to protect and serve, but to spy and to hide. Already, cameras in the trees, drones the size of birds with cameras, how long before everyone starts to shoot every bird they see? Mass paranoia. Buy a toaster, what, do you think I am crazy? Buy anything, no way. But I must buy spy cameras and bug my neighbors. They might be the secret police, or organized crime. "Hello, howdy do?" will be replaced by "What are you looking at?" It's like James Bond stuff we used to thrill over, but then it becomes that everyone has "the cool stuff" pointed at them. I just saw a Barbie cam. A usb doll. Well, in the future, when you think about buying your kid that doll, will you get a gaurantee that there is no wireless camera in it? Will child pornography explode? What will Mayor Bloomberg do when he sees a video of himself in the bathroom ( yuck! )
on the internet? Can we hire enough police. How will the police know that guns they buy don't have a wireless camera in them? What about that badge they put on? Is there a camera in there? What about www.copcamania..com, where you can tune in to all the cameras watching cops: the camera in the fake fly, the camera in the fake bird, the camera in the car odometer, the camera in the turn signal, the camera in streetlight, the camera in the donut bag, the camera in the tail light of any car that is pulled over, the camera in the collar of every person walking on the street, the camera in every back room and bathroom a shady deal can be made, I know it's getting ubiquitously monotonous reading this, but get used to it. Enjoy Blumberg reality.com. Watch him sleep, watch him shower, watch him eat, watch him pee, watch him drive, listen to his conversations. You can't stop it, It is just the modern way, program your tv to it. Flip the channel and watch your child bath, No need to buy a child monitor, just turn on the tv and tune in along with everyone else bored enough to watch. Blade Runner movie concepts will seem so boring to the real people of the 25th century. Too bad we don't have cameras everywhere already. We could watch the Tepco company employees explain to their children why they have seven toes (on their backs)

Originally posted by Druscilla

Originally posted by ted4d

Not possible. Turn a phone off, and it's off. There isn't a phone on the planet that records everything - no point saying there is. It's not big brother, it's an app store, and you use it, or you don't.

why so paranoid! of course you can turn it off. Unless you think 'they' have found some way to make a phone work without electricity!! if it's off, it's not draining the battery, and it's doing nothing and big brother is not spying on you.

Have you ever heard of a CMOS battery?

No?

Hmmm.

Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor Battery???!!?

NO SUCH THING!!! Period!

Dude is correct! Once a device draws no current (turned off), it is OFF, and incapable of operation at any level. No spying, no recording, nothing.

Also, the good mayor is a bit off with his statement. There are already cameras at every corner, at least 4 actually. AND, in every city in America. I live in a small Texas twon about 35 miles from Dallas. Population may be as high as 7500 people. We have cameras on every corner, when I visit Dallas, I notice them at every corner, and in every parking lot.

So...stating that in 5 years this will be the case is whole sale BS; IT IS ALREADY THE CASE.

Also people don't be intimadated by their noise. They talk of recording everything, but fail to understand its quite simply not possible. Recently a city mentioned that soon they will be able to record everything viewed with their current cameras. They don't know that they will run out of storage in only a few weeks.

Government can't record what y'all think they can for one simple reason; there are not enough storage devices in existance to support even a small city for more than a few months, and it can't be make fast enough.

reply to post by ted4d


Hahahaha!

You have a lot to learn
Listen to this presentation by Gus Hunt - a CTO for the CIA also on the front page of ATS.

Must See CIA Presentation Big Data

If you want the quick & dirty then just listen to the intro so you know who he is & flip to 11:45 to hear from the horse's mouth that you are WRONG

I recommend however that you go ahead & listen to the whole thing. It'll be good for you.

The ignorance you've exhibited in your statement that "it's not possible" & the ignorance of people like you is what has allowed this to happen - enjoy!

reply to post by engineer418


See my reply above - it is definitely possible - don't know what you think you know about how cell phones are powered & how it works but it's wrong.

Only cameras, or some other equipment, including various sources of radiation of any kind? Are they allowed to X-ray you, for an example, if they want so, without your permission and/or your knowledge?

Originally posted by Druscilla

Why is this a problem to anyone?

Most have a camera, microphone, GPS tracking device, and personal data storage log recording EVERYTHING done and everywhere gone all the time.
It's called a cell phone, and yes, Big Brother can and will use it for any or no reason at all, even if you turn it off, and you'll never know it.

As long as anyone has a cell phone, they got zero room to complain about cameras in public when they willingly take Big Brother right up inside their own homes with them and everywhere else they go.

Besides that, the cameras are PUBLIC, just like people's eyeballs.

My name can't be tied to my cell phone, I paid for it in cash, it's a prepay, and I just buy the cards for it with cash. I suppose they could still know where I am, but they can't tie it to who I am. One can still use a cell phone and complain about privacy, everything is a matter of degree.

reply to post by spoonbender


yeh i know smart phones net books , they also have recording devices for sound the new face book app asks for your permission to record sound spontaneously or so i have heard.

Originally posted by coldkidc
reply to post by engineer418

 

See my reply above - it is definitely possible - don't know what you think you know about how cell phones are powered & how it works but it's wrong.

Oh?

Virtually all phones have two batteries in them; the main battery which ppowers the radio set, central processing system, and ALL Network activity, and a "stand-by" battery which can power all of the RAM and time keeping circuitry. This back-up battery is not capable of supporting the radio set, not the cup for more than a few minutes. When that battery goes "dead" the phone becomes a brick.

When you "turn" your phone "off" you instruct the operating system to "shut down". In doing so, ALL peripherial devices (radio sets ... cell, blue tooth, wifi, etc.), cameras, microphones, etc are "disconnected", and "powered down". Understand, these are software processes, but they do provide a physical / electrical disconnection from the device's primary power, this renders the peripheral inert.

So, since I don't think your phone supports "wake on Lan" (it would be rather obivious if they did); I think we can rest assured that if our phone is "off" then its safe.

reply to post by engineer418


Why then would the CTO for the CIA specify that the capability is still there "even if that mobile device is turned off"? (see video & other thread referenced above)

The evidence out there (which includes a number of public reports by media agencies) shows there are ways to activate the microphone even when the phone is powered off.

The only defense against it (which may be what you are referring to) is to REMOVE the primary battery...

Just shutting the phone off is not enough.

ETA: Here - just a quick search to give you something to watch - there's much more info out there showing that it is indeed possible to use these features when the phone is off - there's just too much info out there to say it's not possible - you MUST remove the battery:

reply to post by coldkidc


A quick question for you: Does turning your phone off conserve the battery?

A short note on the cameras, and what might be required to deploy and store all that video.

In an area of 5000 intersections (roughly 71 square blocks).
4 (four) cameras per intersection

20,000 total cameras.

Data (per camera): roughly 500MB/hour: 12GB/day

240 TB/day
1680 TB/week
87360 TB/Year

43, 680 2TB drives per year

This would just about be the base line for storage requireents.

In an area about the size of Dallas / Ft. Forth we would need about 500 times this requirement. Storage media would become cheap to government and unattainable to the rest of us, including business, and that is not the case.

reply to post by engineer418


Theoretically yes - in actuality it depends on the type of phone & the length of time we're talking about.

You have faith that there is no possibility of circumventing the software firewall & accessing the battery pack despite evidence to the contrary & even being told to your face by the people doing it that it's possible...

That's fine - you go ahead & believe what you know is right & don't entertain information to the contrary - it's not going to bother me any - what you think is completely up to you.

I'm just letting everybody else who may want to look into it themselves know that it isn't the whole story because I'm telling you - IT'S POSSIBLE.

Take the battery out of your phone if you want any chance of foiling someone attempting to access the peripherals on your phone.

Originally posted by coldkidc
reply to post by engineer418

 

Theoretically yes - in actuality it depends on the type of phone & the length of time we're talking about.

How about fully charge the phone, turn it off for 4 weeks. What do you suppose the charge level should be?

You have faith that there is no possibility of circumventing the software firewall & accessing the battery pack despite evidence to the contrary & even being told to your face by the people doing it that it's possible...

Firstly, I've not been shown any evidence.

Secondly, as long as the "radio sets" are off, I would be confidant the phone is secure.

Do you have a way to turn my radio sets on remotely? Without using radio?

reply to post by MidnightTide

They are developing "smart televisions" with face recognition" apps. So yes, they are going to put them in your living rooms.

Beat me to it. Personally I've been leery about these new TV's that are Wi-Fi capable. If the tv can transmit and receive signals to buy movies and games, what's stopping them from using the same tech from looking into your home?

if it becomes too much of a problem I realized that we could just move to a small town where none of this big city crap takes much of a hold.

reply to post by darkbake

Ha ha, that would be your Xbox Kinect and your laptop's webcam.

My kinect is not hooked up and my webcam has electrical tape over it.

Just sayin..

I don't see cameras deterring crimes much.
People know there's cameras, but commit the crime anyways.

I wouldn't want cameras in my home. No way. Its bad enough if I'm outside in my yard and google eye is snapping pics. The street view is very intrusive.

reply to post by coldkidc


iPhones are the worst I think. Can't take the battery out. If I can lock it remotely, it must be possible to unlock it remotely. I sincerely doubt the iCloud feature is for convenience of the user. The software updates are always claiming to be fixing bugs. Oh sure.