There will be cameras everywhere....whether you like it or not

Originally posted by Druscilla

Why is this a problem to anyone?

Most have a camera, microphone, GPS tracking device, and personal data storage log recording EVERYTHING done and everywhere gone all the time.
It's called a cell phone, and yes, Big Brother can and will use it for any or no reason at all, even if you turn it off, and you'll never know it.

As long as anyone has a cell phone, they got zero room to complain about cameras in public when they willingly take Big Brother right up inside their own homes with them and everywhere else they go.

Besides that, the cameras are PUBLIC, just like people's eyeballs.

There's a huge difference between owning a device by your own will, and having a device that films you against your will. I have a cell phone, ipod, and ipad. That doesn't mean the govt has a right to put cameras up and film me against my will.

We walk into stores knowing full well we are on camera. I don't want to go for a walk downtown, to the park, or to the lake with a camera watching me. That's different and unacceptable. I don't give permission to be watched as I sit on a park bench. I give permission when I go to the store and shop.

Apart from my bedroom There should 100% coverage, I care not if people are watching or that the data is stored in a server house somewhere to be viewed if a crime takes place. or for any other reason, I have nothing to hide what so ever, as i do not commit crime. I can see those that want to do something wrong will not like it but big deal. Don't do crime if you cant do the time. Ohh the cameras should be a HD gigapan quality.

Originally posted by Legion2024
Apart from my bedroom There should 100% coverage, I care not if people are watching or that the data is stored in a server house somewhere to be viewed if a crime takes place. or for any other reason, I have nothing to hide what so ever, as i do not commit crime. I can see those that want to do something wrong will not like it but big deal. Don't do crime if you cant do the time. Ohh the cameras should be a HD gigapan quality.

It's okay then if they watch you, in let's say, your bathroom? For what? How about if they watch your spouse or children if have those as family?


Really? Are you sure you commit no crime?
“Most Americans Commit About Three Felonies a Day”
Even if you're not American similar may apply elsewhere.

yeah technology is getting better, thats what technology does when it is in demand. but this technology is not in demand by citizens. there are certain groups that are demanding/wanting/asking/paying for this specific technology. and we don't have to get used it, but the type of people like bloomberg would like us to THINK that we don't have a choice. he is just trying to condition/manipulate people. its a type of control.

i thought jersey was known as "the armpit of America" but perhaps its New York, given the type of people running that city.

Cameras belong in the municipal offices. Plenty of crime takes place in those spaces.

Every camera that is paid for by tax dollars should be open for viewing to the owners, the public.

In public, cameras don't belong there for LE purposes as it currently exists. The cameras operate, spying on every person and treating them like a criminal, WHEN THERE IS NO ALLEGATION of a crime. Maybe if the police get a call at a specific location, camera can be turned on to reveal the particulars. I wouldn't even care if the last 10 or 15 minutes of the dark camera was recorded and accessible to investigators, AS-NEEDED!

My gut tells me that wholesale surveillance is wrong. Traffic cams that don't pick out faces nor plates are fine. They serve an obvious public function w/o outright directed surveillance. These should not be recorded, simply available live to check traffic.

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Who will step up and use the paint ball gun against the camera ?

I'll feel safer actually.

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you haven't seen that recent video of that german crew doing exactly that? www.youtube.com...

I'm getting a hard on watching that....

There are already camera's everywhere. Just google earthcam almost every "site seeing" location is under surveillance. I actually used this to view Hurricane Sandy hit NY. On side not I can also use this to view the highway exit to get to the town over. I actually seen my sister by accident just looking around at different camera's locally.

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We could all start to Flash Mob the cameras, LOL



Don't see how there is much we can do about it... might as well have fun with it.

:-)
leolady

From the looks of some of these comments the founding fathers were correct in how liberty dies.

Take.

Them.

Down?

Originally posted by daryllyn
They should probably just put cameras in our living rooms. You know, for safety and security.

Flag for you for the quote; one of my favorites.

what do you think
these are ....

in Britain we have cameras everywhere its crazy ! George Orwell was on to something big brother is watching you. next they will bug everyone's house and make us wear tracking devices

Most cameras aren't exactly undefeatable from a distance either...




And last, but not least...

If the public really wanted them gone, it wouldn't take much.

Originally posted by leopardpimps
in Britain we have cameras everywhere its crazy ! George Orwell was on to something big brother is watching you. next they will bug everyone's house and make us wear tracking devices

again what do you think
these are for



smart fone
this is getting redundant

Originally posted by ted4d

Originally posted by Druscilla

Why is this a problem to anyone?

Most have a camera, microphone, GPS tracking device, and personal data storage log recording EVERYTHING done and everywhere gone all the time.
It's called a cell phone, and yes, Big Brother can and will use it for any or no reason at all, even if you turn it off, and you'll never know it.

As long as anyone has a cell phone, they got zero room to complain about cameras in public when they willingly take Big Brother right up inside their own homes with them and everywhere else they go.

Besides that, the cameras are PUBLIC, just like people's eyeballs.

Not possible. Turn a phone off, and it's off. There isn't a phone on the planet that records everything - no point saying there is. It's not big brother, it's an app store, and you use it, or you don't.

why so paranoid! of course you can turn it off. Unless you think 'they' have found some way to make a phone work without electricity!! if it's off, it's not draining the battery, and it's doing nothing and big brother is not spying on you.

Why do militants remove their battery from phone when going to secret places then? Maybe they are being ultra-safe (some call that paranoia) or maybe they know something we don't.

Me, I just think that they are being ultra-safe.

Originally posted by Druscilla
Have you ever heard of a CMOS battery?

No?

Hmmm.

A typical CMOS battery does not have either the voltage or current to power the phone. It is primarily used to provide a continual power for on-board volatile memory and timing.

If you put your phone in a small tin box - SAFE!

Originally posted by leopardpimps
in Britain we have cameras everywhere its crazy ! George Orwell was on to something big brother is watching you. next they will bug everyone's house and make us wear tracking devices

No, we don't...

For starters, I assume you are basing this opinion on the Urban myth you get caught 300 times a day in London. If not, I apologise but most of the time when people have this opinion it is, when you drill down, based on this piece of toilet science.

This study, done in the early naughties, was later said by even it's own authors to have been flawed. They used one borough of London, checked a few of the stores, shops and streets in that borough then extrapolated that out to the entire city. Nowadays, it is largely discredited and only finds life on internet forums...

What they also mentioned, but is glossed over by many, is that 95% of all camera's are privately owned, not by the State to monitor you but by shops and private persons for their own reasons.

What is also not mentioned by many is that cities like New York, Chicago, Washington etc have many, many times more CCTV camera's than London and a much greater percentage are owned by the authorities than in the UK.