Ask me anything regarding spirituality and I will answer humbly

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Originally posted by 11118
You can look at it form the view of positive and negative. A positive action is radiant, giving, full of light, and full of love (love for another's well being). A negative action is absorbent, selfish, and full of light in the opposite direction, and also full of love (love for the self's well being over another). Either action is always out of love and neither is right or wrong

Originally posted by Open2Truth
Full of love for the self's well being over another - this assumes autonomy or just the perception of such?

The experience of love of self, others and the divine as one whole singular experience - would this be the whole coin in your example?

Although I already asked 2 questions, I am compelled to ask another. You speak of us all being both student and teacher. With this supposition, I ask, what is your question for me?

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by Open2Truth

 

While we wait for answers....
If its not full of love for the self's well being over another IE if that self is oneself it changes the whole equation. For how can you love yourself more than you love yourself.
Love of the self in self or love of the self in others.
(Greed & lust are not to be confused with love.)
Love yourself and others selflessly.
Action from the heart in love is never wrong.

A)That would be your third question, the one you haven’t asked yet.

Thank you for posting - and commenting on what my questions were pointing towards.

Im guessing this would be my philosophy if anything.

But ive been actively trying achieve enlightenment for about a year now. I think I have more of a conscience understanding of myself and through meditation I have significantly began to almost "see" into others and their actual emotion. I feel as though I am gaining so much intelligence, confidence, and understanding but I feel like im becoming alone in my existence as well. I can release feelings of negativity at any time I want to but the loneliness is sucking the life out of me. How do I overcome this?

Okay some new questions.

Any tips for us to help reduce The Fear of Death during meditation?

These past two days when I meditate, I experience a vacuum sensation. It felt like my body was sucked by a black hole or something. What is this vacuum sensation?

Do I make a good progress in this case?

Thanks for the great post and sharing your truth, I enjoyed it up until the vegies and pork chops

Originally posted by Kurius

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Who Wants To Know What?
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Thanks. I personally think the speaker is more coherent than Parsons, bringing up the same belief concept. Essentially, both are saying we are all inseparable whole. We are mere observing instruments to which totality of God functions. Then I ask, why not just install cameras everywhere or have zombies if individualism isn't to be in the equation? They are asking us to be moving trees...just feel, grow and observe. Can you, Itisnowagain, really do this? The mere fact that you are responding to my posts answers that question.

It is not a belief concept - it destroys all belief.
Non-conceptual awareness is prior to any concept.


Sorry can you elaborate - can I do what?

Originally posted by Kurius

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Who Wants To Know What?
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I must say I was surprised to hear him say we had no freewill...without freewill he would not have been able to understand what he thought he understood. It is one's freewill to accept or not accept a concept. He chose to not only accept it but to spread it..

If you listen carefully to what he said you would have heard him say that it cannot be chosen - that it just happens. I would have to agree with him because unless it is seen for oneself it is impossible to learn or understand. People believe that if they do all the right practice and study and meditate enough that they can achieve it but I and the speaker would disagree with this assumption. It just happens and it is the only thing (that is not a thing) that is not a concept.

Originally posted by Kurius

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Who Wants To Know What?
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I don't know, man. The delivery and message don't click with me as there are too many contradictions that I personally observe in the interviews and I am expected to just accept these contradictions without questioning them or the message bearer's actions/intention, when in fact questioning, seeking should be viewed as part of the oneness, without which evolution will be harder to attain. There is nothing wrong to feel incomplete, if you do, as there is nothing that can be deemed absolutely complete...which is a scary thought.

What is contained in the video is not a 'prescription' or something that you are supposed to believe or go and do. It is a 'description'. He describes what enlightenment /liberation is. He says there is no doer so he would not ever expect anyone to do it - he knows there is no one who can do!
The mind tries to understand what is being spoken but the mind has it's own ideas already so when this message is heard it is rarely 'heard' with the ears as it is said because the mind changes it into what it expects. Just for an understanding of this try watching the video again.

My counter suggestion to you is to pick the merits but keep seeking and questioning.

Did you hear him say that when the realization happens the seeking stops because it is obvious that 'it' has been found? Another reason the seeking stops is because it is totally realized that there is nothing more - it is complete - what else is there. It is obvious.

Seeking is oneness seeking so no there is nothing wrong with feeling incomplete but it doesn't feel good, it feels awful. I know what it was like and I know what it is like now. In a way I believe one must suffer enough before one has had enough suffering, I was on my knees.

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Originally posted by dodol
Okay some new questions.

Any tips for us to help reduce The Fear of Death during meditation?

These past two days when I meditate, I experience a vacuum sensation. It felt like my body was sucked by a black hole or something. What is this vacuum sensation?

Do I make a good progress in this case?

Do not be afraid of the no thingness.
When you remove all the things from you......................what is left?
Know thyself.

That no thingness is what you are without any 'thing' being present. In deep sleep it is all there is and don't you just love deep sleep. If you can 'make friends' with it in meditation you will find real peace. Then you can stay there 'as that' in everyday life.
It will be the backdrop to all that arises. It is found to be ever present but had not been noticed before.
Realize it as your true nature.

It does feel like death because all the 'things' go - the person, the 'thing' you believed yourself to be will die so not many will be willing. It is as if you disappear into yourself and become one. Instead of there being duality, which will manifest as internal and external conflict, there will be unity (oneness/wholeness) and harmony will manifest.

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"It is not a belief concept - it destroys all belief.
Non-conceptual awareness is prior to any concept."

If you become a zombie (which I think what he thinks everyone should be), yes, all belief system but this one could be destroyed. I am asking ...can anyone possibly live his/her life without seeking. Can you possibly feel, grow and observe without processing what you absorb since you believe you are mere 'observing instruments to which totality of God functions'?

"If you listen carefully to what he said you would have heard him say that it cannot be chosen - that it just happens. I would have to agree with him because unless it is seen for oneself it is impossible to learn or understand."

So his video and his trying to tell people about it is just frivolous? We'll just wait for 'it' to happen, when/if it does? So why do you think he is trying to explain something that can't be explained/taught to achieve?


"The mind tries to understand what is being spoken but the mind has it's own ideas already so when this message is heard it is rarely 'heard' with the ears as it is said because the mind changes it into what it expects."

Ok, I will accept the possibility that I am not understanding the true message. Language also has its limitations to describe spiritual experiences especially when my brain is involved. Is there any other practical way you can help me have a glimpse of what you are trying to tell me? If not, I am afraid you will be wasting your time trying to describe to me enlightenment as you see it.


"In a way I believe one must suffer enough before one has had enough suffering"

What is 'enough'? What is it measured against? And should this 'enough' suffering be completed in one lifetime? In the videos he claimed he did not believe in reincarnation of the soul - that every life, body and mind is new in every birth.

I wish what is said could resonate with me, bro. It is just difficult for me to digest although I am as open as I can possibly be.
Another problem I have about everyone being one whole (that there is no separation) is that it will be open to the interpretation that nothing good or bad you can do to other in this world because essentially you are doing it to yourself. For example, it gives one the the license to steal since as we are one, it is no different from taking from one pocket and putting it in another.

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Hi Irish packer fan
How about not having a philosophy, you don’t need it, your set ideas and concepts can only prevent your knowledge of your self realization.
Ramana Maharshi said we are already self realized now ( are you not aware of your being “ I am” /your existence?) and that feeling/thought that we are not or waiting can be an obstacle.
You are, so why do you really need to learn more about “other people’s” emotions and thoughts?
Know thyself- forget about the others emotions and thoughts, that would make you lonely focusing on what is other than your being.
Overcoming loneliness/the feeling of being incomplete, read itsnowagain’s great posts on this feeling of being incomplete.
Know that you are truly complete and perfect.
Love

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by dodol

 

Originally posted by dodol
Okay some new questions.

Any tips for us to help reduce The Fear of Death during meditation?

These past two days when I meditate, I experience a vacuum sensation. It felt like my body was sucked by a black hole or something. What is this vacuum sensation?

Do I make a good progress in this case?

Do not be afraid of the no thingness.
When you remove all the things from you......................what is left?
Know thyself.

That no thingness is what you are without any 'thing' being present. In deep sleep it is all there is and don't you just love deep sleep. If you can 'make friends' with it in meditation you will find real peace. Then you can stay there 'as that' in everyday life.
It will be the backdrop to all that arises. It is found to be ever present but had not been noticed before.
Realize it as your true nature.

It does feel like death because all the 'things' go - the person, the 'thing' you believed yourself to be will die so not many will be willing. It is as if you disappear into yourself and become one. Instead of there being duality, which will manifest as internal and external conflict, there will be unity (oneness/wholeness) and harmony will manifest.

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Thanks a lot friend!!

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

Don't I exist because I am being. Doesn't only the body dies( & with the hope the ego dies)?
What is love but love of the Self. What do you think is wrong with love of the self?
When you learn the self is all then you love all.Thats what I was taught.
Sandelphon What’s better than to be absorbed in the self(the real I) ?
I was taught that seeking and focusing on knowing real self( self knowledge) is not selfish.

I cannot explain your existance any better than you can, as you say it your being proves non-existance. The body decomposes after your spirit/egocentric leaves it. No thing is wrong with love of self unless you are a self absorbed egotist, narcissist. Cannot answer to Sandelphon.

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Yip I agree, no thing is wrong with love of self.... unless you do not love your your self and solely love the body and think you are the much loved insentient body (therefore are a self absorbed egotist, narcissist).
Then it would take you longer to remember/get back to your source.

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

Yip I agree, no thing is wrong with love of self.... unless you do not love your your self and solely love the body and think you are the much loved insentient body (therefore are a self absorbed egotist, narcissist).
Then it would take you longer to remember/get back to your source.

I think that is a major problem. If we cherished ourselves most, then we would learn to love others in the same way. The God aspect that lives within each of ourselves is the clue. Love yourself and you love your creator automatically as it is YOU then the understanding becomes, if within me must live within my neighbors etc...

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Seeking happens until wholeness is recognized. No one can stop seeking but seeking does end when it is seen that there is nothing to seek. All seeking (not just enlightenment) occurs because one does not feel fulfilled. It stops when fulfilment is the case.

An awakening can occur and it is not understood - an explanation will help. The description will be recognized by anyone who has seen it for themselves. It is possible to awake and not know what happened and hearing this message would be wonderful - music to the ears. It will only be understood after awakening, prior to that it will sound like madness to most.

'Enough' suffering is when you give up. It is when you break that what ever is beneath will shine forth. Liberation does not happen to the person - liberation is to be free of the person, it is the realization that there is nothing separate and it is just happening.
This (whatever is happening) is all there is. This (whatever this is - no one can say - it is a mystery) is just happening and no one is doing it - it is done. You are being done.

There is no good or bad really - what is happening is just happening. You are not doing any thing to yourself because there is no you. Life is not happening to you.

Here is a different approach from another speaker:
You Know It's Just a Movie
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You cannot do it but it can be realized. It is like, you cannot make yourself 'get' a joke but when it drops - there is laughter.

I will post this interview where Ananta tells of how she woke up in a Japanese prison go to 25mins in to hear of her arrival at the prison if you wish to skip her intro. She goes on to say how she had no idea it was an awakening and was just left confused when re-joining society and family and later heard a speaker a was relieved that at last she had found someone speaking this stuff. There is a recognition when it is heard after awakening.
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Conscioustv is a great place to hear of awakenings, they have a web site but I watch them on youtube, there are some amazing stories of how individuals struggle and then realize oneness.

Originally posted by Kurius
Another problem I have about everyone being one whole (that there is no separation) is that it will be open to the interpretation that nothing good or bad you can do to other in this world because essentially you are doing it to yourself. For example, it gives one the the license to steal since as we are one, it is no different from taking from one pocket and putting it in another.

This is a good point. I think sometimes many of the teachers of non-duality found on Youtube these days become too mentalized and they get too abstracted from the heart or love. Their insight seems to be more mind-based to me - not whole bodily realized altogether. Just my two cents worth though.

When one whole-bodily recognizes that there is no separation, the inherent morality of the heart (love) results in treating others with love. I do not need laws to tell me how to treat others - the heart inherently knows when we recognize that we all arise in infinite prior unity.

Said a different way, we all participate in indivisible relatedness - and this can simply be perceived to be the truth of our situation. It is in front of our noses always - we are all related to everything and every being arising! When the heart feelingly recognizes its inherent relatedness in any given moment, real love awakens in that moment too.

We can only love and receive love as much as we can feel love.

And yes, there is no separation in our prior unity, but obviously we are apparently separate as these body-minds and so respect one another's boundaries. Given the current state of our world, we definitely need laws!

Someone else on another thread was speaking of believing that there is no good or bad OR right or wrong, and so I responded similarly and in more detail here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Alot of wonderful posts on this thread its a nice read. Differences are just that, individual insights, but this is some good stuff.

I've been reading the 'Conversations with God' books, which I highly recommend everyone read, and it talks a lot about how consciousness is pure creation and that we create our own reality. It also talks a lot about the realm of the Absolute, which is the Essence and Source of all being and the pure, indescribable bliss that is experienced after our soul again becomes one with it. It is stated in the books that the reason our souls experience temporal life as an individual is because we can't experience That Which Is (the Absolute) without the presence of That Which Is Not (individual consciousness).
My question is, why is it this way? Why do we have to experience That Which Is Not in order to experience That Which Is? I understand that we could not know paradise as paradise unless its polar opposite, hell, existed also, but why did the Creator not fashion the universe in a way that That Which Is could be experienced without the presence of that which is not? It could have spared Itself the experience of suffering and hopelessness...

Originally posted by HarryTZ
My question is, why is it this way? Why do we have to experience That Which Is Not in order to experience That Which Is? I understand that we could not know paradise as paradise unless its polar opposite, hell, existed also, but why did the Creator not fashion the universe in a way that That Which Is could be experienced without the presence of that which is not? It could have spared Itself the experience of suffering and hopelessness...

Where is the fun in that?
If That Which Is was alone it would not know it was. It can only knows itself by seeing apparent other.

Is there a difference between infinity and nothingness?