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Originally posted by packinmomma
reply to post by ConspiracyNutjob
If someone rejects the Lord because He didn't arrive on their timing, that just reveals a lack of trust and faith. The same could be said about a believer who turns away from God because they thought he would/should save them their personal difficulty.
No matter what happens, true faith reveals itself and glorifies God by standing firm regardless of the earthly situation. As humans, we may feel disappointment and anguish. But it is through our darkest hours that we cling to Him and feel His presence and comfort, which strengthen us.
As an aside...
I am curious to know what you think about 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. Specifically, the timing of the revealing of the man of lawlessness and who is holding this back currently. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 "And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."
Who do you think this is, as they would have to be powerful enough to hold back the man of lawlessness?
Originally posted by packinmomma
reply to post by ConspiracyNutjob
If someone rejects the Lord because He didn't arrive on their timing, that just reveals a lack of trust and faith. The same could be said about a believer who turns away from God because they thought he would/should save them their personal difficulty.
No matter what happens, true faith reveals itself and glorifies God by standing firm regardless of the earthly situation. As humans, we may feel disappointment and anguish. But it is through our darkest hours that we cling to Him and feel His presence and comfort, which strengthen us.
As an aside...
I am curious to know what you think about 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. Specifically, the timing of the revealing of the man of lawlessness and who is holding this back currently. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 "And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."
Who do you think this is, as they would have to be powerful enough to hold back the man of lawlessness?
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by MarkJS
I'll weigh in w/my beliefs in Pre/Mid/Post Trib... I'm believing for a Pre Trip Rapture.
If people want to believe for a Mid or Post- that's their right, I guess. Consequently, they can go then... Jesus will come to get them at those times (hopefully).
I'm curious about the logic of this.
Assuming, for a moment, that "Pre Trib Rapture" is going to happen- why would it be limited to those who are expecting a Pre-trib Rapture?
Surely it would be on the basis of "all who belong to Christ", rather than "all who belong to Christ provided they hold a certain belief about when things are going to happen"?
I am not expecting a pre-Trib Rapture.
Nonetheless, I would assume that a pre-Trib Rapture, if it did occur, would take me anyway, because I'm a believer in Christ. What other criterion should there be?
43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke 12:43-47 NKJV
Originally posted by MarkJS
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by MarkJS
I'll weigh in w/my beliefs in Pre/Mid/Post Trib... I'm believing for a Pre Trip Rapture.
If people want to believe for a Mid or Post- that's their right, I guess. Consequently, they can go then... Jesus will come to get them at those times (hopefully).
I'm curious about the logic of this.
Assuming, for a moment, that "Pre Trib Rapture" is going to happen- why would it be limited to those who are expecting a Pre-trib Rapture?
Surely it would be on the basis of "all who belong to Christ", rather than "all who belong to Christ provided they hold a certain belief about when things are going to happen"?
I am not expecting a pre-Trib Rapture.
Nonetheless, I would assume that a pre-Trib Rapture, if it did occur, would take me anyway, because I'm a believer in Christ. What other criterion should there be?
I don't know for sure, but think that Jesus will only take those who has prepared themselves for Him. The Bible is always saying "be ready"... I think this is for a reason. Here's a passage that talks about it:
43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke 12:43-47 NKJV
The belief of "He's coming later" can be very dangerous and/or deadly... I'm not saying that you're doing this... but if a person says... "He's coming later... therefore I have time to really get ready"... which is an easy trap to fall into, it won't turn out very well for him.
Be Ready!
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by GLontra
In short Gods Chosen people have different task .
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by truejew
You need to read on into Romans you will find Paul saying boast not against the natural branches .
Originally posted by St Udio
...consider tht the Great Tribulation only begins immediately after the middle of the final (70th) week of Daniel