More Lies About Red Meat Killing You!

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by minor007
Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

edit on 13-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

Grass fed beef has Conjugated linoleic acids in concentrations that make beef a positive food.

????? so grass fed beef produces more cla than corn fed cattle. So damn what. It does nothing to combat palmitic acid. Also cla is found in all dairy products. Also FYI the human body produces cla through the help of probiotic bifidobacteria in the intestinal tract...

reply to post by minor007


Who are you to call me a liar? I told the truth and you probably hear it all the time like you said because "ITS TRUE!"


No amount of protein from nuts and berries will make the body feel as good as what you get from a few bites of a juicy steak.
Go on and eat your tofu turkey the world needs a balance between the weak and the strong, so leave the red meat for the rest of us.

reply to post by minor007


So just consume linoleic acid along with that steak.

No one is suggesting a person eat only red meat.

A balanced diet is the healthiest.
Everything in moderation

reply to post by brandiwine14

I'll try to only post here once, as this is one of my hot-button issues. Since you are an avowed corpsearian nothing I will say will change your mind, but for everyone who was forced into the corpsearian way of eating as a child and never tried to get out of it, let me say that if you have the right recipes and eat healthy by cutting out the fried foods, soda, etc., then a person on a vegan or vegetarian diet can say "Every meal is a feast."

With all the data out there, eating corpses, especially those labeled "red 'meat'" (a fancy name for various colors of muscled corpse sections), is not very smart imnho. When I ate corpses I thought I was smart, I really did, still thought I had a great amount of intelligence and was interested in all the right things. Ha! I was a walking bundle of stupidness. Had headaches, caught colds easily, had very dry skin from being dehydrated (only drank soda for the most part), and was mean and sometimes depressed (again, partly dehydration, partly the corpse eating), lots of stuff. Quite fat too. Now, none of that stuff, every meal is a feast, etc. I didn't know that when I stopped eating "meat", it was a surprise. Today I will have an Indian food buffet, because those Indians, whose highest caste is not allowed to even touch a corpse, really do know how to cook real food!

Originally posted by minor007

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by minor007
Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

edit on 13-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

Grass fed beef has Conjugated linoleic acids in concentrations that make beef a positive food.

????? so grass fed beef produces more cla than corn fed cattle. So damn what. It does nothing to combat palmitic acid. Also cla is found in all dairy products. Also FYI the human body produces cla through the help of probiotic bifidobacteria in the intestinal tract...

edit on 14-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

but you need the Llnoleic acid to conjugate in order for the bifidobacteria to do it. You said the linoleic acid wasn't in beef so how can the bacteria convert it. Some people cannot support the bifodobacteria in their intestines also, their immune system attacks them. Palmitic acid is found in coconut oil. It is not a problem. CLA is found in small concentrations in milk and regular commercial beef but the low concentrations do nothing to fight cancer. Google CLA in grassfed beef on Mayo's site and it will explain. Anything with a ruman makes this but feeding corn and grain to deer can destroy the abundance of this chemical. Never bait deer with corn.

Originally posted by grey9438
reply to post by rickymouse

 

Grass fed beef has Conjugated linoleic acids in concentrations that make beef a positive food.

except that alot of cows are corn fed at the feed lots not grass fed

If you buy commercial beef or beef that has been fed a lot of corn by the farmer that is true. I don't understand why a farmer would want to spend all that extra money feeding cows corn when they can eat for free in the fields. We have been conditioned to want the tenderer corn fed beef by the commercial stockyards. Grassfed naturally aged beef is so much better than that crap in the store. When you put a naturally aged roast into the oven it grows instead of shrinks when cooked.

Another thing about natural aging. The enzymes form bound glutamates that seldom harm people. If the body needs them the intestines will bring them into the body to make the brain chemicals. Unlike free glutamates like MSG, Hydrolyzed soy protein, and modified corn starch, and many other free glutamate sources , they don't usually cause problems with unbalanced neurotransmitter chemistry.

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by minor007

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by minor007
Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

edit on 13-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

Grass fed beef has Conjugated linoleic acids in concentrations that make beef a positive food.

????? so grass fed beef produces more cla than corn fed cattle. So damn what. It does nothing to combat palmitic acid. Also cla is found in all dairy products. Also FYI the human body produces cla through the help of probiotic bifidobacteria in the intestinal tract...

edit on 14-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

but you need the Llnoleic acid to conjugate in order for the bifidobacteria to do it. You said the linoleic acid wasn't in beef so how can the bacteria convert it. Some people cannot support the bifodobacteria in their intestines also, their immune system attacks them. Palmitic acid is found in coconut oil. It is not a problem. CLA is found in small concentrations in milk and regular commercial beef but the low concentrations do nothing to fight cancer. Google CLA in grassfed beef on Mayo's site and it will explain. Anything with a ruman makes this but feeding corn and grain to deer can destroy the abundance of this chemical. Never bait deer with corn.

Wtf why dont you ppl do some research b4 posting things that really undermines your intelligence....linoleic acid is found in most foods except red meat.
People cannot support bifodobacteria????? are you mad? if the body cant support bacteria then thats how food allergy kicks in.

In 2004, scientists took a further step and demonstrated that B. infantis is the critical factor in allergic response. They examined babies in Ghana, where the incidence of allergies is low, and compared them to babies in New Zealand and the United Kingdom, where the incidence of allergies is more than twice as much. The missing link was shown to be B. infantis, found only in the Ghana infants. When compared with the other species of Bifidobacterium, the protective properties of B. infantis smoothed the allergic response of the immune system.

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Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by brandiwine14

 

I'll try to only post here once, as this is one of my hot-button issues. Since you are an avowed corpsearian nothing I will say will change your mind, but for everyone who was forced into the corpsearian way of eating as a child and never tried to get out of it, let me say that if you have the right recipes and eat healthy by cutting out the fried foods, soda, etc., then a person on a vegan or vegetarian diet can say "Every meal is a feast."

With all the data out there, eating corpses, especially those labeled "red 'meat'" (a fancy name for various colors of muscled corpse sections), is not very smart imnho. When I ate corpses I thought I was smart, I really did, still thought I had a great amount of intelligence and was interested in all the right things. Ha! I was a walking bundle of stupidness. Had headaches, caught colds easily, had very dry skin from being dehydrated (only drank soda for the most part), and was mean and sometimes depressed (again, partly dehydration, partly the corpse eating), lots of stuff. Quite fat too. Now, none of that stuff, every meal is a feast, etc. I didn't know that when I stopped eating "meat", it was a surprise. Today I will have an Indian food buffet, because those Indians, whose highest caste is not allowed to even touch a corpse, really do know how to cook real food!

edit on 15-3-2013 by Aleister because: (no reason given)

I hate to break it to you but you eat flesh too. There are several studies done that prove plants, vegetables, and fruit feel pain. They think and they communicate with each other. When you pluck a head of lettuce out of the ground it screams. When you take a carrot out of the ground and set it aside for later it dies a slow death waiting to be your food. Don't think that just because something has no apparant facial features that it's not capable of feeling.

Do you use paper? You do realize that trees live dont you? in fact they, under normal circumstances live long lives until they are cut down and turned into paper, or to build your dream home. Everytime you light a fire in a fireplace or campground you are burning flesh in a sense. These things live and feel pain they also feel comfort and like classical music to boot.

That's nice that you feel you have a great diet now, good for you enjoy the flesh you eat and i'll enjoy the flesh I eat. Don't assume that because I choose to eat a healthy portion of red meat a week that I am unhealthy, I am 34 and feel better than I did when 21 and ate nothing but fruit and vegetables. I still eat lots of fruits and vegetables but now my diet is well rounded.

I said this on a similar thread and i'll say it now the bottom line is that almost everything we eat lives, savor it, but most importantly be thankful for it because it stopped growing, it stopped feeling, it's death brings us our life.

Here are a few articles I found why dont you take the time to read them and then do some research yourself.

Whats so great about red meat?
josephpcollins53.wordpress.com...

Mythbusters prove plants feel pain
davidsright.blogspot.com...

Polygraph on plants and brineshrimp
www.youtube.com...

Vegetarians and vegans torture plants
davidsright.blogspot.com...

Trees communicate with one another
www2.gi.alaska.edu...

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by brandiwine14

 

I'll try to only post here once, as this is one of my hot-button issues. Since you are an avowed corpsearian nothing I will say will change your mind, but for everyone who was forced into the corpsearian way of eating as a child and never tried to get out of it, let me say that if you have the right recipes and eat healthy by cutting out the fried foods, soda, etc., then a person on a vegan or vegetarian diet can say "Every meal is a feast."

With all the data out there, eating corpses, especially those labeled "red 'meat'" (a fancy name for various colors of muscled corpse sections), is not very smart imnho. When I ate corpses I thought I was smart, I really did, still thought I had a great amount of intelligence and was interested in all the right things. Ha! I was a walking bundle of stupidness. Had headaches, caught colds easily, had very dry skin from being dehydrated (only drank soda for the most part), and was mean and sometimes depressed (again, partly dehydration, partly the corpse eating), lots of stuff. Quite fat too. Now, none of that stuff, every meal is a feast, etc. I didn't know that when I stopped eating "meat", it was a surprise. Today I will have an Indian food buffet, because those Indians, whose highest caste is not allowed to even touch a corpse, really do know how to cook real food!

edit on 15-3-2013 by Aleister because: (no reason given)

Yup, those vegitarians from India really know how to cook!!

And have among the highest rate of heart disease:

articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

And

www.sfgate.com...

White Meat is BETTER than Red meat but Red Meat lots of exaggerated bad reps.

Actually main problem with Red Meat is that, it has high fat content. Also since red meat has high concentration of blood, it also has animals hemoglobin and myoglobin, which in fact has the POTENTIAL to transform into a carcinogen(might lead to cancer).

So pretty much Redmeat has High fat, and shares animals blood(disease, hormones, animal related illness) more than white meat.

Red meat is good at low moderation but too much processing is involved in the red meat industry, oh don;t even go into antibiotics and hormones.

Originally posted by luciddream
White Meat is BETTER than Red meat but Red Meat lots of exaggerated bad reps.

Actually main problem with Red Meat is that, it has high fat content. Also since red meat has high concentration of blood, it also has animals hemoglobin and myoglobin, which in fact has the POTENTIAL to transform into a carcinogen(might lead to cancer).

So pretty much Redmeat has High fat, and shares animals blood(disease, hormones, animal related illness) more than white meat.

Red meat is good at low moderation but too much processing is involved in the red meat industry, oh don;t even go into antibiotics and hormones.

Somebody drank the fat-is -bad Kool-Aid.

The whole fat is bad thing started in the 50's with a fraudulent study done by Ancel Keys. Watch this and you'll get the idea. It's about 2 1/2 minutes long. The part about fat starts at about 30 seconds.

www.youtube.com...

Saturated fat is good for you. Vegitable oils and margarine... those are the real killers.

Originally posted by davjan4

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by brandiwine14

 

I'll try to only post here once, as this is one of my hot-button issues. Since you are an avowed corpsearian nothing I will say will change your mind, but for everyone who was forced into the corpsearian way of eating as a child and never tried to get out of it, let me say that if you have the right recipes and eat healthy by cutting out the fried foods, soda, etc., then a person on a vegan or vegetarian diet can say "Every meal is a feast."

With all the data out there, eating corpses, especially those labeled "red 'meat'" (a fancy name for various colors of muscled corpse sections), is not very smart imnho. When I ate corpses I thought I was smart, I really did, still thought I had a great amount of intelligence and was interested in all the right things. Ha! I was a walking bundle of stupidness. Had headaches, caught colds easily, had very dry skin from being dehydrated (only drank soda for the most part), and was mean and sometimes depressed (again, partly dehydration, partly the corpse eating), lots of stuff. Quite fat too. Now, none of that stuff, every meal is a feast, etc. I didn't know that when I stopped eating "meat", it was a surprise. Today I will have an Indian food buffet, because those Indians, whose highest caste is not allowed to even touch a corpse, really do know how to cook real food!

edit on 15-3-2013 by Aleister because: (no reason given)

Yup, those vegitarians from India really know how to cook!!

And have among the highest rate of heart disease:

articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

And

www.sfgate.com...

Obviously you didnt read the articles you gave linked too.

"In order to prevent the cardiac disease we need to change our lifestyle as well. This includes healthy diet, regular physical activity and avoiding tobacco and smoking," said Patil who is coordinating the disease management programme along with the heart insure team. The main aim of the heart insure programme (HIP) is to reduce the high incidence of coronary artery disease among Indians, and to save lives through a comprehensive programme. Shaina Fernandes, head of heart insure team, said HIP is responsible for doing a three year compliance monitoring of the patient and checking whether they are taking their medicines on time, maintaining a proper diet and going for regular follow ups with their doctors. This is done by making follow up calls to the patients on a regular basis. The patients are also given a disease management kit before discharge. This kit is available in local Indian languages and contains information on heart disease, good eating habits, importance of physical exercise and suggestions.

Also only 39% of indians are vegetarians the rest eat meat.....


From the other link you gave

A recently published study suggests vegetarians are developing cardiovascular diseases due to their diet, particularly due to lack of the dietary sulfur, which is primarily found in animal products. According to the study, the lack of sulfur in the diet of vegetarians is causing elevated levels of homocysteine, an amino acid that poses a considerable risk in the development of coronary heart disease. Read more: www.sfgate.com...

Important dietary sources of sulfur and sulfur containing compounds may be classified as essential mineral (e.g. elemental sulfur), essential amino acid (methionine) and semi-essential amino acid (e.g. cysteine). All these are required for a healthy body. Now the sulphur found in food stuff is called methionine and guess what the highest concentration of methionine is found. Eggs at 3 grams per 100g. Want to know the 2nd one? ITs Sesame seeds at 1.6g per 100g. Beef has only 0.749grams/100g....

also forgot to add.
Garlic, Onions, Asparagus, Cabbage, Brussel Sprouts, Broccoli, Kale, Turnips all these are good sources of elemental sulphur. However due to modern farming methods a lot of the vegetables may not contain enough sulphur due to the enviornment they are grown in as the soil has been depleted of natural occuring sulphur and is not put back in.

Originally posted by minor007

The mediterranean diet which is said to the healthiest in the world uses olive oil which is very high in polyunsaturated fat. Compare now the american diet full of palmitic acid. You really have to be blind not to see the difference in peoples health between the 2 countries

And you would have to be rather shallow to assume that olive oil is responsible for the "amazing" health of the Mediterranean. You should probably take a better look into what they eat. The Med diet is a made up fad diet based on some studies by Ancel Keys. Real Mediterraneans actually eat meat regularly. In some areas, overwhelmingly so. Sausages!

And just so you know, olive oil contains up to 20% Palmitic acid. The majority, however, is oleic acid...which is a monounsaturated fat. In most olive oils, saturated fat percentage out numbers polyunsaturated fat. And, again, that sat fat is Palmitic acid.

Who's the blind one now?

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd

I see you cherry picking the info already posted...as i said already said in the 1st post that palmitic acid when combined with high concentrations of unsaturated fat is not dangerous I did not include monounsaturates fats in the post but the arguement still stands....


FOrgot to add this. There are tonnes of evidence from epidemiological studies that suggests that a higher proportion of monounsaturated fats in the diet is linked with a reduction in the risk of coronary heart disease.

Originally posted by minor007
Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

edit on 13-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

Here's your first post. I'm not really sure how Linoleic Acid content of meat is relevant here. I mean, just for argument's sake, red meat consumed with vegetables or salad w/ olive oil would suffice.

Then you said...

Originally posted by minor007

...when the body has more [palmitic acid] than it needs it stays in the arteries.....

Dietary palmitic acid no more "stays in the blood" than does synthesized palmitic acid. Excess either gets metabolized or stored in adipose tissue. Done.

Then you said...

Red Meat contains as I said conjurated linoleic acid(CLA). the difference between the two is that linoleic acid is a polyunsaturate, whereas CLA is classed as a trans fatty acid.

CLA is a trans and a cis fatty acid. It's a naturally occurring trans fat and has been shown in multiple studies to be anticancer, antioxidant and pro cardiovascular health. Not sure if you were suggesting it's bad. But it's not.

As an aside, Linoleic Acid is the opposite of CLA. It's proinflamatory (because the end product is arachidonic acid).

Then you said...

f you want to know how palmitic acid on its own is bad for the body..read up on acidosis

I know about acidosis, but you'll have to be more specific on the type of acidosis.

Then you said...

You give the body too much palmitic acid through diet it will add to the body fat making the body obese.

First you said it stays in the blood if you get too much, now it goes to the fat cells?!?!?! Which is it? Look, if your burn less than you intake, excess will be stored as fat, regardless if it's fat, protein or carbohydrate.

Then you said...

The mediterranean diet which is said to the healthiest in the world uses olive oil which is very high in polyunsaturated fat. Compare now the american diet full of palmitic acid. You really have to be blind not to see the difference in peoples health between the 2 countries

This is why I brought up the olive oil post. Olive oil is 20% Palmitic acid. And it absolutely is NOT very high in polyunsaturated fat.

My point is, you keep telling me...

omg you really are showing lack of intelligence here....

and

lol You have no idea what you are talking about.

Like.. LOL ZOMG... It's pretty obvious that YOU are the lacking individual and YOU have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

Originally posted by minor007
Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

edit on 13-3-2013 by minor007 because: (no reason given)

Here's your first post. I'm not really sure how Linoleic Acid content of meat is relevant here. I mean, just for argument's sake, red meat consumed with vegetables or salad w/ olive oil would suffice.

Then you said...

Originally posted by minor007

...when the body has more [palmitic acid] than it needs it stays in the arteries.....

Dietary palmitic acid no more "stays in the blood" than does synthesized palmitic acid. Excess either gets metabolized or stored in adipose tissue. Done.

Then you said...

Red Meat contains as I said conjurated linoleic acid(CLA). the difference between the two is that linoleic acid is a polyunsaturate, whereas CLA is classed as a trans fatty acid.

Then you said...

f you want to know how palmitic acid on its own is bad for the body..read up on acidosis

I know about acidosis, but you'll have to be more specific on the type of acidosis.

Then you said...

You give the body too much palmitic acid through diet it will add to the body fat making the body obese.

First you said it stays in the blood if you get too much, now it goes to the fat cells?!?!?! Which is it? Look, if your burn less than you intake, excess will be stored as fat, regardless if it's fat, protein or carbohydrate.

Then you said...

The mediterranean diet which is said to the healthiest in the world uses olive oil which is very high in polyunsaturated fat. Compare now the american diet full of palmitic acid. You really have to be blind not to see the difference in peoples health between the 2 countries

This is why I brought up the olive oil post. Olive oil is 20% Palmitic acid. And it absolutely is NOT very high in polyunsaturated fat.

My point is, you keep telling me...

omg you really are showing lack of intelligence here....

and

lol You have no idea what you are talking about.

Like.. LOL ZOMG... It's pretty obvious that YOU are the lacking individual and YOU have no idea what you're talking about.

As i said cherry picking............

Dietary palmitic acid no more "stays in the blood" than does synthesized palmitic acid. Excess either gets metabolized or stored in adipose tissue. Done.

yes it does thats why its called obesity....Excess palmitic acid as i already said in a previous post, interferes with the bodies weight regulatory system the more palmitic acid in the body the more insulin resistance increases.

We have previously shown that saturated fatty acids induce DNA damage and cause apoptotic cell death in insulin-producing beta-cells. Here we examine further the effects of single or combined dietary fatty acids on RINm5F survival or cell death signalling. Palmitate and stearate, but not linoleate, oleate or palmitoylmethyl ester, induced growth inhibition and increased apoptosis in RINm5F cells following 24 h exposure. Co-incubation with inhibitors of ceramide synthesis, myriocin or fumonisin B1, did not improve viability of palmitic acid treated RINm5F cells. The inhibitor of inducible nitric oxide synthase, 1400 W, similarly had no protective effect. However, linoleic acid protected against palmitic acid-induced apoptotic and necrotic cell death. The specific pharmacological inhibitors of phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase, LY294002 and wortmannin, abolished the protective effect of linoleic acid on apoptosis but not on necrosis. These data show that the growth inhibitory and apoptosis-inducing effect of the saturated fatty acid palmitate on RINm5F cells is prevented by co-incubation with the polyunsaturated fatty acid linoleate but not inhibitors of ceramide or nitric oxide generation. A key role for phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase in mediating the linoleic-acid reduction in apoptosis is suggested.

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CLA is a trans and a cis fatty acid. It's a naturally occurring trans fat and has been shown in multiple studies to be anticancer, antioxidant and pro cardiovascular health. Not sure if you were suggesting it's bad. But it's not. As an aside, Linoleic Acid is the opposite of CLA. It's proinflamatory (because the end product is arachidonic acid).

Tell me something i didnt know...I didnt say it was bad i was pointing out that it was conjugated linoliec acid that was in red meat and not linoliec acid as the two are different acids...I was reply ing to your post which said this

And Linoleic acid absolutely is found in red meat, especially grass fed.

First you said it stays in the blood if you get too much, now it goes to the fat cells?!?!?! Which is it? Look, if your burn less than you intake, excess will be stored as fat, regardless if it's fat, protein or carbohydrate.

???????? how you think its gets transported to the fat cells? magically appear do they?

This is why I brought up the olive oil post. Olive oil is 20% Palmitic acid. And it absolutely is NOT very high in polyunsaturated fat.

Just because i didnt mention monounsaturates in the arguement dosent make what I said about palmitic acid any less true. Providing the food source has a higher unsaturated fat content than palmitic acid then palmitic acid is not dangerous. I should have said monounsaturate as well as polyunsaturates...............

Done here. Have fun. It's impossible to argue with idiots.

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When all else fails when you lose the arguement you resort to name calling how childish..

Originally posted by minor007
Just because i didnt mention monounsaturates in the arguement dosent make what I said about palmitic acid any less true. Providing the food source has a higher unsaturated fat content than palmitic acid then palmitic acid is not dangerous.

Talk about confessing without admitting anything.

Seems to me that rendering palmitic acid not dangerous by the inclusion of a source of monounsaturated fat makes your whole "palmitic acid" rant rather pointless.