More Lies About Red Meat Killing You!

All red meat is risky, a study finds

any amount and any type -- appears to significantly increase the risk of premature death

Study: Too much red meat may shorten lifespan

Want to live longer? Trade some of the red meat in your diet for fish, nuts, whole grains, and other healthier protein sources, Harvard researchers say.

All red meat’s bad for you, new study says

Here's what the new study is and found: Meat consumption and mortality - results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition

The researchers analyzed data from EPIC studies that involved a lot of people. These people were healthy, between 35 and 69, were surveyed and then followed for 20 years. Reports were made on death, disease incidence and overall health during the 20 years.

Researchers were looking for the association between meat consumption and all-cause mortality. In other words, they wanted to know who died, regardless of what caused it, and how much meat they consumed. Here's what they found:

As of June 2009, 26,344 deaths were observed. After multivariate adjustment, a high consumption of red meat was related to higher all-cause mortality (hazard ratio (HR) = 1.14, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.01 to 1.28, 160+ versus 10 to 19.9 g/day), and the association was stronger for processed meat (HR = 1.44, 95% CI 1.24 to 1.66, 160+ versus 10 to 19.9 g/day). After correction for measurement error, higher all-cause mortality remained significant only for processed meat (HR = 1.18, 95% CI 1.11 to 1.25, per 50 g/d). We estimated that 3.3% (95% CI 1.5% to 5.0%) of deaths could be prevented if all participants had a processed meat consumption of less than 20 g/day. Significant associations with processed meat intake were observed for cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and 'other causes of death'. The consumption of poultry was not related to all-cause mortality.

Processed meat consumed at the highest amount was associated with a 45% increase in all-cause mortality. This includes people hit by cars, people blowing their own brains out and people in car accidents. Everything. If you died and you were in this study group, you were included, regardless of what killed you. When they adjusted for smoking, the association was reduced to 24%. In fact, adjusting for other lifestyle confounders, the association remained.

Interestingly, however, people who ate no processed meat died more than people with little to moderate processed meat intake. Those articles failed to mention that though. The articles also fail to differentiate between unprocessed red meat, like a rib-eye steak, and processed meat, like a hot dog.

Here's the real kicker... researchers found that unprocessed meat was barely associated with mortality. When the confounders--smoking, activity levels, alcohol intake, weight--were adjusted for... the association drops completely off the radar.

That's right. Every media outlet is claiming that a new study says red meat increases your risk for death... and the study says no such thing.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Look, people need to lay off the red meat is bad for you wagon. Stop trying to blame the steak and look more into the french fries and sugary drinks by which steaks are always accompanied.

In the end, we have a study that simply provided correlations between meat consumption and death. Nothing more. Nothing less. And correlation does not equal causation, folks.

Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

Horsemeat recalls where is it going?

is it 1
genuine and recalls of foods contaminated are for the interests of the public?

2
A way of creating shortages putting further strain on everyone globally

3
Just a horse# story to enable someone stockpile millions of meals for a day of need, prior to an expected event?

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


Researchers have also found that mummies had clogged arteries as well.

There is a part of me that says that red meat is actually better for you than fish or poultry. Just the way some demonize it makes me wonder.

Eggs, Wine, chocolate used to be bad for you. Now they're supposedly wonder foods in moderation.

I had a sister that went total vegitarian. It damn near killed her. The Doc told her to expand her diet. It took almost two years before she could keep even fish and chicken down.

Humans are Omnivours. We'll eat roadkill if we have to to survive.

reply to post by minor007


The primary fat stored your body is Palmitic acid. Don't be silly. Excess carbohydrates are converted to Palmitic acid.

And Linoleic acid absolutely is found in red meat, especially grass fed.

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Right. But I doubt it was the fish. Egyptians relied heavily on beer and bread for their sustenance.

All I know is I was a vegetarian for several years when I went through my bratty "im not eating anything with a face" phase. I was weak and tired all the time then one day my boyfriend put a steak in front of me and man oh man it was freaking great, I felt alive again, more energy less pale etc... I can't imagine that being bad for me or my family. Article or not, there was also an article I read once claiming tomatoes are bad for folks, hogwash I say.

Maybe it's bad for some who are otherwise unhealthy but for the average folk red meat is not only great tasting but necessary.

Too much of anything is bad for you - balance is key.

As I understand it, improper dietary pH leads to acidic blood, allowing candida blooms in the body, which triggers autoimmune responses, leading to a decrease in red blood cells (hemolytic anemia) which causes an oxygen deficiency, which leads to many, many types of diseases including cancer. These problems can take decades to develop, which is why it's usually people over 40 who start having symptoms.

I think the body's natural, preferred pH is something like 7.4 - slightly on the alkaline side.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
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The primary fat stored your body is Palmitic acid. Don't be silly. Excess carbohydrates are converted to Palmitic acid.

And Linoleic acid absolutely is found in red meat, especially grass fed.

edit on 13-3-2013 by DevolutionEvolvd because: (no reason given)

LOL a big difference when your body makes the fat itself to you having to consume it. when the body has more than it needs it stays in the arteries.....

Conjugated linoleic acid if found in red meat not linoleic acid and only in small amounts 30-100mg/100g in cooked red meat.

Originally posted by minor007
LOL a big difference when your body makes the fat itself to you having to consume it. when the body has more than it needs it stays in the arteries.....

No... there really isn't. Whether it's endogenous or exogenous, palmitic acid is present in the bloodstream at any given time (sort of). When the body has more than it needs, it either burns it or stores it. It doesn't just float around waiting to get suck in arteries. Whether it's dietary or made in the body, palmitic acid is packaged the same way... in a lipoprotein. There really isn't a difference.

What exactly is so "dangerous" about consuming Palmitic acid?

Conjugated linoleic acid if found in red meat not linoleic acid and only in small amounts 30-100mg/100g in cooked red meat.

500% more than that if they're grass fed. It's irrelevant, really. (Forgot the conjugated part) Linoleic isn't the best thing, either.

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd

lol You have no idea what you are talking about. Palmitic acid is produced naturally by the human body. We dont need palmitic acid in our diet. As I said where palmitic acid is found else where other than red meat it is found alongside linoleic acid which is always at a higher concentration than palmitic acid. Red Meat contains as I said conjurated linoleic acid(CLA). the difference between the two is that linoleic acid is a polyunsaturate, whereas CLA is classed as a trans fatty acid. There are many health benefits with linoleic acid its other name is omega 6 and omega 3 is called linolenic acid.

forgot to add palmitic acid is a saturate.
also forgot to add if you want to know how palmitic acid on its own is bad for the body..read up on acidosis

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


I think the problem is what read meat one is talking about. How it was raised...

I would not eat US meat due to the stuff that it is allowed to contain and how sicking it is to corn feed cattle as they do over there (and mostly by transgenic corn)...

reply to post by minor007


The way I see it is this: If our body produces Palmitic acid, I'd say it's a preferred source of fuel. There's a reason why excess carbohydrate is converted to Palmitic acid.

I'm still unsure why you keep saying Palmitic acid is bad for you. Whether it comes from your liver or from your steak, it's still Palmitic acid packaged in a lipoprotein. That's it.

Regarding Trans fats... I don't think you understand that CLA is both a trans-fat and a cis-fat. Because it's conjugated, and a natural fat, it's not bad. There are plenty of studies showing the benefit of CLA consumption.

I have a feeling you're not really sure how this all works.

CLA is not bad for you, no more than any other fat.

Originally posted by brandiwine14
All I know is I was a vegetarian for several years when I went through my bratty "im not eating anything with a face" phase. I was weak and tired all the time then one day my boyfriend put a steak in front of me and man oh man it was freaking great, I felt alive again, more energy less pale etc... I can't imagine that being bad for me or my family. Article or not, there was also an article I read once claiming tomatoes are bad for folks, hogwash I say.

Maybe it's bad for some who are otherwise unhealthy but for the average folk red meat is not only great tasting but necessary.

Thank you for this confession.
Sooo many are slow to wake up

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


omg you really are showing lack of intelligence here....Palmitic acid is what the body uses to make the layer of fat over muscles and under the skin. You give the body too much palmitic acid through diet it will add to the body fat making the body obese. Insulin and leptin are used to regulate the human body and palmitic acid interferes with this. When palmitic acid reaches the liver after absorption, it simply recirculates as palmitic acid in lipoproteins therefore the body has excess palmitic acid in which it stores as fat.
Saturated and trans fatty acids have increased cardiovascular risk in several studies heres one

RESULTS: Of the individual saturated fatty acids, the average population intake of lauric and myristic acid was most strongly related to the average serum cholesterol level (r > 0.8, P < 0.001). Strong positive associations were observed between 25-year death rates from coronary heart disease and average intake of the four major saturated fatty acids, lauric, myristic, palmitic, and stearic acid (r > 0.8, P < 0.001); the trans fatty acid elaidic acid (r = 0.78, P < 0.001); and dietary cholesterol (r = 0.55, P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Interpreted in the light of experimental and clinical studies, the results of these cross-cultural analyses suggest that dietary saturated and trans fatty acids and dietary cholesterol are important determinants of differences in population rates of coronary heart disease death

Source

The mediterranean diet which is said to the healthiest in the world uses olive oil which is very high in polyunsaturated fat. Compare now the american diet full of palmitic acid. You really have to be blind not to see the difference in peoples health between the 2 countries

Originally posted by brandiwine14
All I know is I was a vegetarian for several years when I went through my bratty "im not eating anything with a face" phase. I was weak and tired all the time then one day my boyfriend put a steak in front of me and man oh man it was freaking great, I felt alive again, more energy less pale etc... I can't imagine that being bad for me or my family. Article or not, there was also an article I read once claiming tomatoes are bad for folks, hogwash I say.

Maybe it's bad for some who are otherwise unhealthy but for the average folk red meat is not only great tasting but necessary.

I hear this all the time. Obviously you wasnt eating the right foods and also i am going to call you a liar as well. If you eat correctly there is no need for the mind or body to feel tired. You just wrote this to make a point you probably didnt go through a veggie stage as you put it. The body has no need for red meat all the nutrients and fats the body needs comes from vegtable sources. Theres is nothing in meat that the body cant get elsewhere.

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


I wonder if it may have something to do with the cows being on an improper diet, the hormones and anti biotics given to the cows or other chemicals being used, possibly even chemicals from the containers the meat is stored. but if seeing as a major neat source for certain peoples was bison which is related to the cow and I think would be red meat and they didnt have many problems it does seem hard to believe

Originally posted by minor007
Look up Palmitic Acid.......Only way you cant eat palmitic acid safely is to combine it with linoleic acid and red meat dosent have linoleic acid just high concentrations of palmitic acid.

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Grass fed beef has Conjugated linoleic acids in concentrations that make beef a positive food.

There is a problem associated with consumption of beef that is referred to in the blood type diet. It can cause agglutination in different blood types. Eating some onion with it may cancel this effect for the blood type. I don't worry about eating beef, I do eat local beef raised by good farmers that feed their cows right though. I hate beef that is cornfed, it doesn't taste right to me. Finishing it on Rye and Barley makes for tasty meat. I like it aged at least ten days also.

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Grass fed beef has Conjugated linoleic acids in concentrations that make beef a positive food.

except that alot of cows are corn fed at the feed lots not grass fed