Operation Thunderdome: How The US Will Unravel. And Soon. (Important)

reply to post by Hopechest

And don't forget the extreme violations of our Constitution. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and arrested somewhere around 14,000 civilians in the North because he considered them threats.

Now how come that wasn't part of the NWO but this is? I could literally go through item after item of events in American history that are similar to today and yet they passed without a lasting permanent effect.

Oh, but the civil war was an important expansion of the NWO. The war was intended to prevent any territory under their control from slipping away and Lincoln fell into the trap. Why was Lincoln assassinated? Well, it was because of his stated intention to bypass the international bankers after the war and continue circulating greenbacks which were not tied to or beholden to international financiers. That was his death sentence, just like JFK tried bypassing the international bankers and signed his own death sentence with his non central bank, non debt bearing silver certificates.

Read the 14th amendment again, with particular reference to the phrase that put Americans under the jurisdiction of the federal government rather than of the states. You aren't supposed to notice the expansion of power, media does not expose it and schools do not teach it so you noticed no lasting permanent effect because it all seemed normal by the time you came along and got a full dose of indoctrination.

Good OP for those with eyes to see.

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by MRuss

 

The one part always missing out of these conspiracies is the reason why.

What does the government possibly have to gain by destroying their populace?

Money, power, control?

It seems that if they have the ability to do everything your predicting then they already have those things. You always need to come up with a motive for conspiracies before you put together pieces.

You need to understand that you are now redundant.
Thats right you are a useless eater......
The whole of society was required i the past to move the country, and indeed humanity forwards.
You with me here?
.Now we are technologically able to sustain humankind, in smaller numbers, with less human labour involved in keeping the whole shebang going......
Those who have wrested control of the economics, the wealth, and the technologies of the future.....
Dont need YOU....anymore...
They want to kill large numbers of YOU off!
At the same time they want to come out of the shadows and be worshipped as the gods they imagine themselves to be....
Many of the famous names you hear are but minions of the real power that resides in the shadows....waiting to imerge as gods.

Personally it worries me that this sort of thing could and PROBABLY goes on. To what extent? i don't know.

Also, it's always America this America that.... what's going to happen to the UK? i'd like a heads up to

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by MRuss

 

The one part always missing out of these conspiracies is the reason why.

What does the government possibly have to gain by destroying their populace?

Money, power, control?

It seems that if they have the ability to do everything your predicting then they already have those things. You always need to come up with a motive for conspiracies before you put together pieces.

It is called divide and conquer since centuries for good reason. If you do not divide the population enough beforehand then you will not be able to handle them all.

Turning people against each other happens on a daily basis. Political, ethnic and sports competition and diversity for instance and of course wars based on lies.

We've heard this type of fear mongering before, and usually I ignore it.

But this latest DHS purchase of 1.6 billion rounds has my ears perked.

Why hollow points? Doesn't the Geneva Convention forbid them in a war?

Some are specialized for snipers?

As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

Article from Forbes

2 weeks ago I stepped outside the office for a vape and was a witness to one of these:



Disturbing.

The MaxxPro MRAP is built to withstand ballistic arms fire, mine blasts, IEDs, and other emerging threats. Its V-shaped hull helps deflect blasts out and away from the crew and its armoring can be customized to meet any mission requirement.

Source

reply to post by MRuss

The instructions seemed very specific. Infiltrate web forums, collect screen names, avatars, and posters’ tag lines, and attempt to resolve these to their actual identities.

Do you have any idea how little actual web traffic "three thousand" full time employees could monitor or "track back" in real time? Not even one second of one days worth of internet.

They store the traffic and let computers do the sorting. Its all there. Your every keystroke is being saved as evidence against you. By computers. Not for any real "monitoring", but just in case they need to build a case against you for some future reason.

Originally posted by jimmiec
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

She was buddies with Bill Clinton. She was the darling of the liberals. Do you find the quote meaningless? If Donald Duck said it, it would still resonate with the Liberal/Democrat party. It is literally their creed in order to install Socialism in America.

huh? what creed? install socialism in america?....where do you get this crap? i find what you just said meaningless.

reply to post by Yngvarr


I wonder how many of those it would take to control 300 million people.

Quite a few I imagine.

Look at the Japanese internment. The government put around 110,000 in camps and basically couldn't control them. It wasn't violence that was the problem, it was logistics...keeping them housed and fed. The camps eventually became open so the people could fend for themselves.

Now how is the government going to control millions. Even the Nazi's running at full extermination couldn't handle more than a few million at a time. Stalin would probably be the best example of controlling a populace but he didn't do it openly, he did it through starvation under the guise of communism and people didn't realize what was going on until it was too late.

Once they did you saw immediate changes in the communist system.

There is simply no way to outright go to war with the American populace and hope to win.

I'm on the fence with this. While I have no doubt that both sides of the political spectrum in America are both playing for the same team, and it's not our team, I have a hard time believing no matter how well laid their plans are for world domination that they will succeed.

While a very large portion of citizens of America are mindless automatons, there are still a lot of people both here in the US and everywhere else who are intelligent, driven, and paying attention. And those people will be able to convince a lot of the automatons that the good fight is not the government fight. What I'm saying is we outnumber them. And if they push us far enough I'm fairly confident that the ruling classes of our current era will experience what the ruling classes in France experienced after the French Revolution. And rightly so.

Originally posted by MRuss
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

Kumbayah, and all that stuff.

Sit around the fire, my friend, and pass your peace pipe.

I have been studying--astutely--the changes in American policies, economics and government (as have many of us here) for many, many years.

You can't afford to keep your head in the sand.

If you're not interested in knowing the truth, why belong to ATS?

I am sure there are all kinds of interesting spiritual sites on the web that you can go hang out in.

Some of us here are trying to get to the bottom of what is happening in the world.

So, please....

Let us do that,

Okay?

Go for your life,

However, what are you going to do when you walk up to the wall and its too high to get across?

what solutions are you coming up with that might help you get across?


Thinking positive always wins over thinking negatively, try it with what your doing or trying to accomplish and because your fearful and material way of thinking will keep you blind from the truth you seek.

reply to post by Hopechest


Good points, very logical and yes I've taken the numbers into consideration and you're right it doesn't
add up.

I really hope this is for increased border security and extravagant target practice.

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Yngvarr

 

I wonder how many of those it would take to control 300 million people.

Quite a few I imagine.

Look at the Japanese internment. The government put around 110,000 in camps and basically couldn't control them. It wasn't violence that was the problem, it was logistics...keeping them housed and fed. The camps eventually became open so the people could fend for themselves.
Now how is the government going to control millions. Even the Nazi's running at full extermination couldn't handle more than a few million at a time. Stalin would probably be the best example of controlling a populace but he didn't do it openly, he did it through starvation under the guise of communism and people didn't realize what was going on until it was too late.

Once they did you saw immediate changes in the communist system.

There is simply no way to outright go to war with the American populace and hope to win.

Who says you have to feed them? You starve them just like Stalin did! Dump their bodies into FEMA caskets and burn them.Operation Thunderdome complete.

reply to post by Violater1


I think there's a big difference between those in the Nazi camps, and the average American...no slight on those people, but if you tell an American to dig his own grave, just so he can live a bit longer...he's going to at least risk death swinging that shovel into the guy's head...

3,575 “cyber assets

I fail to see what a bunch of pro-government posters are going to accomplish, which of course then brings into question the veracity of any sources of the info....

reply to post by Violater1


That is the problem.

Word will get out about what's going on and we've seen from numerous interviews with Nazi soldiers as well as Soviet soldiers and French soldiers in the Algerian war that they did not know about the horrors being committed.

By their own admission, had they known they would not have participated. Its impossible to hide millions of people being arrested and murdered, this is the problem Stalin ran into.

People began asking questions about where the people were going and lack of contact and his practice eventually had to end otherwise he faced open revolt.

Originally posted by MrConspiracy
Personally it worries me that this sort of thing could and PROBABLY goes on. To what extent? i don't know.

Also, it's always America this America that.... what's going to happen to the UK? i'd like a heads up to

tell you what...let's gather a few brits and yanks, and head to the middle of canada...there are plenty of fresh water lakes, clean air, forests for thousands of square miles. winters are painfully frigid, but there is plenty of firewood, and with climate change happening, it might soon turn into a rather mild temperate part of the world. plus!...who's going to attack or bomb the middle of canada? ....maybe those crazy swedes

reply to post by intrptr

They store the traffic and let computers do the sorting. Its all there. Your every keystroke is being saved as evidence against you. By computers. Not for any real "monitoring", but just in case they need to build a case against you for some future reason.

Yep. I just finished reading a novel on a scenario of this nature and although the story was fictional, at the back of the book several websites are noted for further study on how monitoring is being carried out and efforts to combat the invasiveness.

epic.org...
ifea.net...
privacycoalition.org...
privacy.org...
www.eff.org...

reply to post by kyviecaldges


You must be blind to what is happening around you on a daily basis, we are being conditioned to except less and less, depend on the GOV more and more. Have you not noticed the strange fact the the stock market is reaching historical highs amidst high unemployment, the feds are cooking the books and the downside play will be far worse than the dotcom and housing bubble combined. C'mon open your eyes ans see what is truly happening.

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Yngvarr

 

I wonder how many of those it would take to control 300 million people.

Quite a few I imagine.

Look at the Japanese internment. The government put around 110,000 in camps and basically couldn't control them. It wasn't violence that was the problem, it was logistics...keeping them housed and fed. The camps eventually became open so the people could fend for themselves.

Now how is the government going to control millions. Even the Nazi's running at full extermination couldn't handle more than a few million at a time.

^Failled logic


The Japanese situation was a acute and sudden one , not a planned one. It makes a world of a difference.

And who said the Germans could not handle more then the millions they already had in camps? They simply managed to imprison that many for as long as they were able to keep those camps going and build new ones. The only single reason why they never managed to imprison more people in those camps is because their third reich was defeated and had fallen apart. Those camps started quite near the end of the german success story They were doing fine with them ,great and booming even, until their defeat.

The germans were logistically very well organized. So much to the point that the people running those camps were competing to get the new prisoners in their camps since it was literally a very successful business to run one (much like U.S prisons are) that made lots of money in the weapons industry.

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Violater1

 

That is the problem.

Word will get out about what's going on and we've seen from numerous interviews with Nazi soldiers as well as Soviet soldiers and French soldiers in the Algerian war that they did not know about the horrors being committed.

By their own admission, had they known they would not have participated. Its impossible to hide millions of people being arrested and murdered, this is the problem Stalin ran into.

A contradiction.

"It is impossible to keep it a secret."

"had they known , they would not have participated"

So they were unaware of the impossible to keep secret...


Those Nazi's tha said that if they had know they would not have been part of it are mostly lying. They would have practicaly have to live by that sentiment in order to survive. After WWII they were hardly able to openly reveal that they were a Nazi during WWII let alone be of the opinion that the concentration camps were a good thing to them.

How many millions of nazi's worked at those camps? Bet you a $1000 that if you ask one of them now that they will give you that same line and deny ever working in one.

Originally posted by MRuss
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

I'd like to gently ask you how much you have studied your stance.

Because I truly believe, that after years of studying the history, the economics, the events, the people and the actions of this country in the past 20 years (and much, much farther back if you'd like to get technical), and exclaim to you--as many, many intelligent people have-- that there is certainly something askance.

It has much more to do with than just the economy.

But I'd have to gently ask you to put THREE good years of study, of reading, of thinking, of talking to others, of going to the library, of putting on a serious thinking cap..

before you discount something you seem to know so little about.

Wow you believe in such a vast conspiracy and say it has much more to do than just the economy.

What if all this info you gathered over the years was placed where it was to make many believe they have worked out whats really going on when in fact they have been test subjects to see if they would parrot what been programed into them.

How many years have you spent among the higher figures of government to know what your talking about is truth and not a fabrication that fits your world view.

Read all the books you want, that doesn't make one know anything other than how to read.

Congrats, you get a star for doing all that reading